Topic: 2024 U.S. Presidential Election Bets! (Read 11091 times)

@TwitchySeal no need to spend so much time attacking me and my reading skills, really. The Telegraph is right leaning yet the second article I posted was attacking pro trump narratives. So your assumptions that I am forming my opinions from right wing media are nonsense.

Anyway, I think you have failed to address my most important points other than attacking me.
If Biden wants a ceasefire in Palestine, stop sending arms and aid and it'll come very fast.

As of Trump & Russia. Surely not continuing support for the war in Ukraine is something that would suit Putin. But then again, have you looked at the polls for how many Americans support funding the war in Ukraine? Hell, lately even in Ukraine support for the war has been falling. Biden and Kamala are from a faction of the democratic party that would be very glad to start wars abroad sometimes for no reason at all. Hillary Clinton had the world renowned butcher, Kissinger, as her advisor. Many peoples around the world suffered for triangular diplomacy, i.e. advancing US interest through military power and forced diplomacy. Trump may be a dunce but one less war is a good thing.

On your entertainment factor argument, I very much agree hhehhe. It also appears that there will be swing voters who will also agree and vote Trump. Kamala should convince the voters that she is very much smarter than how she appears because if she is considered as stupid as the Donald, I reckon the decision on who to vote would be very much easy.

In any case, Trump's ratings might begin to pump. Will this be more than 55% on November 1?

Here's what I was responding to:




I don't think you actually read either of the links you posted.  You should.  Relying on right wing media to determine your view of left wing media will almost always land you in the land of make believe.  


As I've already said, there is no doubt Netanyahu would prefer a Trump victory in November.  Same with Putin.  When Republicans or MAGA fans say otherwise, they are trolling.  Every single rational and informed person would agree that Putin and Netanyahu both hope for a Trump victory.  It's not even close.  Claiming otherwise would be almost as ridiculous as saying Zelensky was hoping for a Trump victory.  Read what I've already posted, and especially Chuck Schumers speech and Bidens comments on it if you still aren't convinced.


I hope you rethink your view of the 'democrats and the media cronies'.  Because at least in this case, what you think is real is actually not.

Netanyahu is holding back any ceasefire to help himself primarily. Nobody has mentioned he was not in power fully before this war, remember the troubles with his Supreme court etc.  He has a unity government only because of this attack really and that is a big motivator to his actions ongoing.


I think they would very much not like to call sides but its obvious a few governments would prefer Trump for his very different policy to the ongoing norms.   Putin saying he doesnt want Trump is a joke, of course he wants NATO to be trimmed so Trump is a dream candidate in that respect.

The biggest news is the oil price rise, this helps Trump.  Its such a large factor that if oil keeps rising upto election day then Trump has his best chance imo, if swing states contain people deciding on the day in any way then it could simply be enough to push him over the line. 

@stompix

Don't get me wrong, I believe Trump is the most incendiary presidential candidate on the Israel-Palestine issue the U.S. has seen.
But my first post was about Biden claiming the Netanyahu government is holding back a ceasefire to help Trump. Which I find ironic.
So we agree that Trump could be a menace for Palestinians. But then again, isn't it ironic that Biden suggests there might even be a ceasefire with Trump? Surely he cares about the election outcome to bring that up publicly, but he doesn't care about the voters he has lost the Democratic party with his own actions?



Ok, so Biden knows they've completely lost some people. So he doesn't care to suggest that Netanyahu may be delaying a ceasefire to harm Democrats, albeit not doing anything to pressure Israel into a ceasefire. Pretty careless of him. Most probably you're right that they THINK this won't affect their numbers much especially in relation to Jewish pro-zion votes vs pro-palestine votes. But pro-palestine people aren't just Muslim/Palestinians in the USA. The marches for Palestine across the country have been attended by people through all walks of life. So I think Democrats are underestimating the votes they're losing because of their Palestine policy so far and it might really cost them the election.

How about a reality check, first Trump's own words on Iran yesterday:

Is this so hard to understand?
No Muslim or Palestinian that can vote would vote for Trump ever, but Israeli supporters would!
Simple as that, the democrats know they won't lose those voters but could lose the others!


This is still chill, you should see what's happening on TikTok, Republicans can't figure out what she is, black, indian, african, native, lesbian, gay, transexual, good thing that elections are soon, otherwise god knows what theories might surface!

If at all anything would happen regarding Harris's skin colour, it's gonna be in her favour. You'll see enough people of colour in the US and that alone is enough reason for her to garner more votes because which is one of them. But talking about the tone as he puts it, it's certainly baseless, who cares about what you do with your skin?

Hahaha...at this point, I guess you should beware of what you reply to, some people may drive you crazy with their unfounded remarks.

I'll pull a JD Vance on you and say...
Let's for the sake of argument agree that Bibi is in fact attempting to do sway the U.S. public opinion towards Trump with his tactics. Why then is Biden continuously reaffirming his support for Israel? Why does he keep sending aid and weapons? Did he only just now realize that it might cost Kamala the election?

The option to appeal to their own supposedly left wing humanitarian standards was always there. But all they did was "express concern" while continuously blocking UN resolutions for a ceasefire and supplying all the means for Israel to continue the genocide. Truly Israel is a terrible partner to have. And the Democrats are also quite traitorous towards their own country themselves, to even go as far as to admit publicly that Israel is trying to influence the election against them, but still do nothing to stop them.

Do you really still think Netanyahu isn't rooting for Trump?  Is this a right wing talking point that you read somewhere?  Wherever you got the idea from, that's the media you should be angry at.

Lot's of democrats support Israel.  Very few Democrats support Netanyahu.  Biden obviously cares a lot about protecting Israel, and he also obviously thinks Netanyahu is killing way too many innocent people.  Look up what Biden said about the speech Chuck Schumer gave calling on Netanyahu to resign.

Weren't Golan Heights already occupied by Israel?
Recognition by the U.S. doesn't change the fact that it   is a mountain region and doesn't make it more secure for settlement or anything. Already prior to Trump there were 20000 settlers there. So it's not much if anything new. Trump recognizing Jerusalem and Golan heights for Israel makes him more of an opportunist if anything, because while these may have a big sentimental value for isrselis, not much changes in real life with recognition.

And the Democrats know all that. They kept the embassy and Golan heights recognition.
Biden and Kamala are very Zionist as an administration.

Most importantly, Biden and Kamala have been giving Israel record numbers of ammunition and aid while it's commiting genocide. So by these events alone they're worse.

If you compare how much money democrats vs republicans are receiving from AIPAC, the Zionist lobby, you'll see that both parties are very influenced by Jewish money. There's not much distinction these days. Zionists have decided to influence both sides on the spectrum and their investment has worked. They've been wipping out all opposition to their cause in all levels of government. From local house reps to even presidential candidates. Now it's the presidential election and people in the US effectively can't even vote for a candidate offering alternative solutions to the matter that also has a realistic path to the presidency.

Trump gave Israel the Golan heights and Jerusalem.

Netanyahu and Trump have been friends for decades.  (Netanyahu was friends with Trumps father, he's also Jared Kushners godfather, also, they both need to remain in power to avoid being prosecuted for corruption - that's gotta be some sort of special bond)  Although there's a fair counterpoint that Netanyahu and Biden have also been friends for decades. 

Netanyahu has long supported Republicans and is now propped up by the most right wing government Israel has ever had.

When Obama was president, Republicans invited Netanyahu to address a joint session of congress without involving Obama at all (same as "fuck you Obama").  The topic?  To criticize Obama Iran Nuclear deal.  

Last year (or was it this year?), Republicans invited Netanyahu to address a joint session of congress without involving Biden.  During the speech, Netanyahu railed against for pushing for a cease fire before Israel could achieve 'total and absolute victory'.

After a meeting between Harris and Netanyahu (maybe a month or two ago?) Harris gave a statement saying she pushed him to "get the deal done", he flipped out and they accused her of lying about the tone of the meeting and claimed her statement emboldened Hamas.


Netanyahu want's Trump to win.  I can't believe you would think it's even debatable.  Same goes for Putin.

Harris has pledged to strongly support Israel also and didn't even flinch when people were protesting genocide. So I'm sure that strategically they're the same for Israel.

Wait are you saying that you don't think Netanyahu would strongly prefer Trump over Harris (or any other Democrat for that matter)?  Same question for Putin...

Democrats and their cronies in the media have stopped making sense completely...

On the one hand, we have Biden saying Israel is holding back on a ceasefire to help Trump.
What a load of absolute bullshit from him to say. If you want Israel to accept a ceasefire stop arming it and sending over billions and billions of dollars. When the whole world already calls you a genocidal lunatic for that, are you seriously ready to blame the perpetrator of a genocide you've been funding over not helping in your partner's re-election campaign?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2024/10/04/president-biden-suggests-israel-may-be-trying-to-influence/

And then you have articles like the one below, saying Putin and Netanyahu have common goals in trying to get Trump elected. Oh, ok... So every bad guy in the international arena as per the American left is now Trump's friend. As if Trump doesn't have so many issues to deal with domestically, he would need to make friends with Putin and Netanyahu to get elected. wtf even at this point
https://theintercept.com/2024/10/03/netanyahu-putin-israel-russia-trump-election/

Where do you get this “many” stuff, from the Neanderthal cave you live in?

Maybe there are some orangutans in the USA that would not vote for a woman just because she is a woman, but that “many” you say you can already provide evidence, which you are not going to do, so that we believe that you have not pulled it out of your ass.

Skin color? What skin color? Kamala is as much black as Donald is orange!

As for the sexual orientation, what are you even talking about she's straight!


What stops Democrats from voting for Trump and Republicans from voting with Kamala?
If you really think every single Democrat and Republican is voting with their party choice you're deeply mistaken, there are enough that don't like their candidates, especially in the republican party, and will vote for Kamala just to get rid of Trump. Same for the democrats who think a loss here would make the party change its course and that a defeat now is better for the future.

You are right, our society is becoming more civilized, but the reality is that it is not as perfect as you think. Discrimination based on skin color, ethnicity and gender still exists in our daily lives, but people just do not admit it openly.

You have to remember that Kamala wasn't the Democrats' first choice, she was the backup choice when their top candidate couldn't continue running due to age. She would never have been the Democratic choice if Biden didn't have problems. So it can be said that she will face many challenges to become the first female president of the United States.


Harris is also getting a lot of support but not because she is really good but because the Democrats cannot vote for Trump and supporting Harris is the only thing they can do.

To put it bluntly, this is a competition between the Democratic Party and the Republican Party and this competition has been going on for centuries. Harris has the support she has today because the Democratic Party has a great strategy. As for the personal comparison between Trump and Harris, I really don't rate her highly.

In today era I think the difference in skin color and also the bad assumptions about women as leader in country will not really be able to apply as before, everything has developed over time and the increasingly advanced era will only show performance and reputation.
In reality Kamala has quite lot of support and she is female US presidential candidate who has really started to show her seriousness in seeking more hearts of the US people to be willing to support her, even though Trump is candidate who is difficult to beat but Kamala also cannot be underestimated regarding how she moves to seek more support.
We all know that Trump is far superior with experience and so many loyal supporters behind him and the fight to get the most votes in the upcoming election, time is getting closer and Kamala and Trump both show their strength to be the most superior candidate but I think Trump will have much better chance of winning the 2024 election.

This is a race and it is about who will beat or outsmart whom. The one who will offer better promises, make a good impression and other things. We must not forget that each candidate has professionals who are fighting for every voter. Today's political strategists know their business well, they study huge databases and tell good news and promises to those layers of the population that are the most numerous, and then in the second place they begin to work with those who are the least numerous, trying not to offend others. In general, this is a big game.

Skin tone? Obama : Hello! Sexual orientation? She is straight and is married to a dude and has kids which is why I don't see any problem here.

You really are underestimating the power of women in the modern world today.

This desire for change is the very reason why voters made Trump the president before. You really need to think before typing so much nonsense.