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Quote from: cabron on October 26, 2024, 11:33:59 AM

Do you know why big podcasters on YouTube invite Trump? It's because he can talk about anything with truth. If Kamala is invited there, I don't think she could talk about anything without messing it up; she needs the script from the teleprompter.

JR has also invited Kamala, but many of us doubt that she will go. And in the unlikely event that she does go, all she's going to do is make a fool of herself once again. She is getting soft interviews from sympathetic media and she is not able to answer direct and clear questions.

Quote from: cabron on October 26, 2024, 11:33:59 AM

People watch the Rogan Experience channel.

25M views already of the full interview, and from there they get a bunch of clips that will circulate through social media as well. In terms of strategy it is clear that Trump is doing much better than Kamala.

Quote from: Iranus on October 27, 2024, 03:15:44 AM

In 46 presidential terms, there has never been a female president and with Clinton's defeat in 2016, I believe the Democratic Party also realizes that their chances of winning this year's election are not high with a female candidate.

Many people think that female candidates are no longer a big deal because the world is more equal but no, gender discrimination is still there and will always exist. I also believe that there will be many Democratic politicians or donors who will not be happy when their candidate is a woman. But simply because they don't have any better candidates to replace them.

Don't give me gender discrimination bullshit, if Kamala doesn't win in the end it's because she's useless, not because she's a woman. In a much more sexist world than now Thatcher won the UK elections, but she was not useless, she did not stay without knowing what to answer to simple questions and with a nervous laugh.

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Quote from: Hispo on October 26, 2024, 11:47:24 AM

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This was a bad election cycle for the democrat party to try to pull something like getting a woman in power, when there is so much at stake.

Harris was not the Democratic Party's choice from the beginning, she was just a reluctant replacement, everything they prepared was for Biden but unfortunately, everything changed so suddenly.

In 46 presidential terms, there has never been a female president and with Clinton's defeat in 2016, I believe the Democratic Party also realizes that their chances of winning this year's election are not high with a female candidate.

Many people think that female candidates are no longer a big deal because the world is more equal but no, gender discrimination is still there and will always exist. I also believe that there will be many Democratic politicians or donors who will not be happy when their candidate is a woman. But simply because they don't have any better candidates to replace them.

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The difference from now to 2016 is the Democrat campaign machine dont underestimate the possibility of a Trump win. Trump said and did highly questionable things in 2016 and yet he was surprisingly ok. 2016 people were FED up and 2024 I still find that is an ongoing sentiment, they want different government whoever it is.
In 2016 Democrats declared Trump done and over, by conventional elections he should be long gone and I said a few times losing then coming back is rarely if ever done in recent times, yet he has chances far beyond predicted prior.

I still don't perceive Trump as being ahead as such but as said its very hard to calculate. Not everyone who votes wants to be vocal about who they choose. My take is people vote for the party and then the person, someone described Trump as a cheerleader more then a leader Im not sure they are hoping thats true or not but its not unilateral government and people know that.
Despite all the alarm by some quarters and even former allies, the population will vote in Trump in proportion to just how angry they are with the ongoing high tax and high failure of government in general.

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Quote from: Taskford on October 25, 2024, 06:11:08 AM

This is one of good example that polls is not reliable source to see if the candidate would secure a win. Since it didn't cover up the whole number of voters so there's really changes that happens when election happen and we see that happen before.

So even if Harris is leading on poll that doesn't mean a sure win for her since Trump still a strong opponent and provably that there's sudden surprise happen and he would able to take a lead in this race. Also will go to place a bet on Trump since as been discussed in lots of thread I would vote those politicians which possibly could able to bring some at least good acceptance for bitcoin.

Just because polls are not providing what you want to believe in, doesn't make polls not true. Plus, even polls are showing Trump is ahead, so I do not know what you are not liking about it as a fan of Trump. Sure, the general population election will be won by Kamala, but that is already known and will not be something Trump can avoid, Kamala will get more votes than Trump, that part is nearly guaranteed, could be millions of votes difference.

However, the election isn't decided based on "who will get the most votes", it's based on EC, and everywhere shows battleground states are just a bit ahead for Trump, meaning that he has a good chance of winning the election. This is why there is nothing wrong with polls if you support Trump.

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Quote from: Iranus on October 26, 2024, 08:00:30 AM

Quote from: jossiel on October 25, 2024, 05:44:44 PM

I don't see it on polymarket which I thought should be there. I guess it's going to be a hobby to check the results per states with this news that I've read.

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According to some news I read about early voter polls, the current gap between the two candidates is not too big, even Harris is slightly ahead. I don't know how accurate it is but I think it is, I don't think Trump will win the popular vote but the electoral vote is very difficult to say and that's what Trump is aiming for.

I have the hunch Trump already knows he does not have much of a chance to win the popular vote, thus why he has not invested much of his campaign money in big populated areas, which also happen to be mostly dominated by democrat voters.
In the eyes of his strategists and in order to increase his chances, he is already doing the right thing by investing heavily on swing states, specially Arizona and Georgia, both of them were key for Biden to defeat Trump back in 2020 and it could be key for Trump to defeat Kamala in two weeks...
I am still skeptical all democrat voters are okey with their nominee being a black woman, that will turn some conservative democrats away and certainly will turn some independents away. This was a bad election cycle for the democrat party to try to pull something like getting a woman in power, when there is so much at stake.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 24, 2024, 08:26:20 AM

You don't need to trust Polymarket. Look at polling aggregators such as RealClearPolling. According to them, Kamala is ahead by just 0.2% against Trump in popular vote (48.7% vs 48.5%). And according to the same site, Trump is leading in all of the swing states. At the moment, RealClearPolling gives 312 electoral votes to Trump/Vance, and just 226 for Harris/Walz. With each passing day, Kamala's 2024 campaign is resembling the 2016 POTUS campaign by Hillary Clinton.

These polls look dubious, from what I can see, it seems to me that Trump is significantly ahead of Harris, I'm not talking about polls, but what I see in their campaigns, meetings with voters and even how they behave, Trump looks more confident in this regard. Do not think that I give preference to one of them, it does not matter to me who wins, this is just my subjective opinion, as an outside observer, nothing more. It seems to me that if Trump wins, little will change for America, because it is from Biden's team, if Trump, then maybe he will fulfill several of his promises, but it is not yet clear which of them.

You can say that again!

Saying the poll looks dubious is a prerequisite to incline your Trump that the election is rigged, all for you not to face the reality. By the way, who rigged the poll now and what are your proofs? Not only that, why didn't you say it was rigged when Trump was winning Biden for obvious reasons? You guys will not cease to amaze me, "it must always be Trump leading before it is normal."

Again, did you mean to say Trump looks arrogant instead of confident? You should learn the difference. And by the way, you cannot use physical gatherings to judge a virtual or even the real poll, all voters can't be there.

Whoever has the public charisma wins it all and obviously, Kamala doesn't have it we can see it in her rallies.

Says who? So charisma has now become the main reason why you vote? No wonder the world is in a mess, bad and unworthy leaders are everywhere because they rose to power mostly through riches, popularity, outspokenness and your so-called charisma without having so much in the head to offer. I judge people by the quality and not by all that, including the fakeness and pretence of Trump.

Quote from: baeva on October 25, 2024, 04:58:20 PM

Betting on gambling platforms via blockchain can sometimes be traced to odds being manipulated in some way, as is the case with the odds on Trump. But it's not even so much about manipulation as the fact that bets are being placed by people from all over the world who don't have a vote as US citizens, yet by favouring Trump and betting on him - boosting his odds.

Betting odds cannot and will not determine the winner, and they will never reflect the virtual voting result. It's just the bookies' perspective and the risk they are willing to take, it's not real. Again, real voters' might is always hidden, you will see them on election day.

Do you know why big podcasters on YouTube invite Trump? It's because he can talk about anything with truth. If Kamala is invited there, I don't think she could talk about anything without messing it up; she needs the script from the teleprompter.

People watch the Rogan Experience channel. They don't go watch wherever Kamala goes and discuss her being black. If right now she still can't say her plans other what Biden has, then this is not the type of leader that the US should have.

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Quote from: Iranus on October 26, 2024, 08:00:30 AM

Quote from: jossiel on October 25, 2024, 05:44:44 PM

I don't see it on polymarket which I thought should be there. I guess it's going to be a hobby to check the results per states with this news that I've read.

In addition to what Hispo said, I would like to add that do not believe anything presented as being provided by polymarket. This is just a betting site and the interesting thing that many people overlook is that it is banned in the United States. That means there are a lot of people who support and want Trump to win and are betting on polymarket but they are not US citizens, they are from other countries. So don't take that as a reference and predict the election results.

According to some news I read about early voter polls, the current gap between the two candidates is not too big, even Harris is slightly ahead. I don't know how accurate it is but I think it is, I don't think Trump will win the popular vote but the electoral vote is very difficult to say and that's what Trump is aiming for.

I was just curious for normal sports, we get to see live games or stats or scores. But this isn't a sport but an election battle.

So yes, thanks for that addition it does makes sense that if there will be some stats shown from poly or any other source, they're not reliable at all as the date for the result is still 2 weeks away.

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Quote from: jossiel on October 25, 2024, 05:44:44 PM

I don't see it on polymarket which I thought should be there. I guess it's going to be a hobby to check the results per states with this news that I've read.

In addition to what Hispo said, I would like to add that do not believe anything presented as being provided by polymarket. This is just a betting site and the interesting thing that many people overlook is that it is banned in the United States. That means there are a lot of people who support and want Trump to win and are betting on polymarket but they are not US citizens, they are from other countries. So don't take that as a reference and predict the election results.

According to some news I read about early voter polls, the current gap between the two candidates is not too big, even Harris is slightly ahead. I don't know how accurate it is but I think it is, I don't think Trump will win the popular vote but the electoral vote is very difficult to say and that's what Trump is aiming for.

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Quote from: Hispo on October 25, 2024, 06:47:01 PM

Quote from: jossiel on October 25, 2024, 05:44:44 PM

I've seen the news that millions of voters have already casted theirs. Is there any website where we can see the polls for the tallies of the votes?

I don't see it on polymarket which I thought should be there. I guess it's going to be a hobby to check the results per states with this news that I've read.

I don't think there is a reliable way for you to check on the percentage of people who used early voting to cast their choice for either Kamala Harris or Donald Trump, in the end, the vote of each person is secret and I doubt there will be a significant amount of people out there who have already voted willing to disclose their voting preferences, specially with such contested state like Georgia is.

Hmmmm, that makes sense though and you're right with it. It's crucial and private to know such information because even the voters, don't have an idea as well. Thanks.

Quote from: Hispo on October 25, 2024, 06:47:01 PM

It would be healthy for you not to compulsively seek for information which is likely not available to anyone and if there is it could be false or some attempt to misinform the population of those so called swing states in the USA.
Keep yourself at bay until the time comes on November 5th and make sure to get your bets ready by November 3-4th, in the case of state they will not allow further bets to be placed beyond November 4th.

Stay focused on the betting markets, instead. Not information on early voting.

Alright, copy on that and thanks for that reminder. It does really makes sense for me with what you've said because I'm trying to think on which is on the lead and I might go with some bucks in there.

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Quote from: EarnOnVictor on October 26, 2024, 03:24:51 AM

Betting odds cannot and will not determine the winner, and they will never reflect the virtual voting result. It's just the bookies' perspective and the risk they are willing to take, it's not real. Again, real voters' might is always hidden, you will see them on election day.

Betting odds, polls can mean something and give you some signals about what's going on but there are many bias factors like polls can be conducted with bad methodology, bad sampling technique and more, and betting odds can be based on data of gambler bets but gamblers can be wrong with their choices too.

Trump if only can win on betting odds, it's easy but a Presidential Election is big and result only can be known when all votes are counted. Wait till the end of 5 November and days after that to know final result from vote counting.

Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on October 25, 2024, 05:43:40 PM

It is also very true what you say, many things can be done with the surveys, it costs nothing that some, for interests, want to make it look like X candidate is winning, it seems very strange to me because many years ago, the US surveys were very good, very precise and they gave information about what was going to happen

Trump now has similar polls like Hillary Clinton in 2016 Presidential Election but Hillary Clinton failed in that election as a big surprise. If history repeats, Kamala Harris can win this election in big surprise too but my belief goes to Trump in this election. Kamala Harris simply does not perform well recent months to convince US. citizens that she is capable enough to become their President next four years.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 24, 2024, 08:26:20 AM

You don't need to trust Polymarket. Look at polling aggregators such as RealClearPolling. According to them, Kamala is ahead by just 0.2% against Trump in popular vote (48.7% vs 48.5%). And according to the same site, Trump is leading in all of the swing states. At the moment, RealClearPolling gives 312 electoral votes to Trump/Vance, and just 226 for Harris/Walz. With each passing day, Kamala's 2024 campaign is resembling the 2016 POTUS campaign by Hillary Clinton.

These polls look dubious, from what I can see, it seems to me that Trump is significantly ahead of Harris, I'm not talking about polls, but what I see in their campaigns, meetings with voters and even how they behave, Trump looks more confident in this regard. Do not think that I give preference to one of them, it does not matter to me who wins, this is just my subjective opinion, as an outside observer, nothing more. It seems to me that if Trump wins, little will change for America, because it is from Biden's team, if Trump, then maybe he will fulfill several of his promises, but it is not yet clear which of them.

You can say that again!

Saying the poll looks dubious is a prerequisite to incline your Trump that the election is rigged, all for you not to face the reality. By the way, who rigged the poll now and what are your proofs? Not only that, why didn't you say it was rigged when Trump was winning Biden for obvious reasons? You guys will not cease to amaze me, "it must always be Trump leading before it is normal."

Again, did you mean to say Trump looks arrogant instead of confident? You should learn the difference. And by the way, you cannot use physical gatherings to judge a virtual or even the real poll, all voters can't be there.

Whoever has the public charisma wins it all and obviously, Kamala doesn't have it we can see it in her rallies.

Says who? So charisma has now become the main reason why you vote? No wonder the world is in a mess, bad and unworthy leaders are everywhere because they rose to power mostly through riches, popularity, outspokenness and your so-called charisma without having so much in the head to offer. I judge people by the quality and not by all that, including the fakeness and pretence of Trump.

Quote from: baeva on October 25, 2024, 04:58:20 PM

Betting on gambling platforms via blockchain can sometimes be traced to odds being manipulated in some way, as is the case with the odds on Trump. But it's not even so much about manipulation as the fact that bets are being placed by people from all over the world who don't have a vote as US citizens, yet by favouring Trump and betting on him - boosting his odds.

Betting odds cannot and will not determine the winner, and they will never reflect the virtual voting result. It's just the bookies' perspective and the risk they are willing to take, it's not real. Again, real voters' might is always hidden, you will see them on election day.

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Exit polls are considered the most accurate of all polls, people who already cast the vote tend to be more honest apparently. Of course no indecision left at that point but still its not a given that anyone knows the result and they dont release that data because the votes arent counted yet so far as I know so its still an estimate.

People Ive heard are estimating purely from the timing, stating that those who vote early tend to favor this party. Extrapolating the result, its still a bit wobbly to estimate in this way. A good turn out percentage is positive whatever the vote turns out as, a low confidence in the election result is bad for democracy. Personally I dont like any of them but it is important democracy itself is respected.

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Quote from: jossiel on October 25, 2024, 05:44:44 PM

I've seen the news that millions of voters have already casted theirs. Is there any website where we can see the polls for the tallies of the votes?

I don't see it on polymarket which I thought should be there. I guess it's going to be a hobby to check the results per states with this news that I've read.

I don't think there is a reliable way for you to check on the percentage of people who used early voting to cast their choice for either Kamala Harris or Donald Trump, in the end, the vote of each person is secret and I doubt there will be a significant amount of people out there who have already voted willing to disclose their voting preferences, specially with such contested state like Georgia is.
It would be healthy for you not to compulsively seek for information which is likely not available to anyone and if there is it could be false or some attempt to misinform the population of those so called swing states in the USA.
Keep yourself at bay until the time comes on November 5th and make sure to get your bets ready by November 3-4th, in the case of state they will not allow further bets to be placed beyond November 4th.

Stay focused on the betting markets, instead. Not information on early voting.

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I've seen the news that millions of voters have already casted theirs. Is there any website where we can see the polls for the tallies of the votes?

I don't see it on polymarket which I thought should be there. I guess it's going to be a hobby to check the results per states with this news that I've read.

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Quote from: Die_empty on October 22, 2024, 12:13:35 PM

Nevertheless, I believe Polymarket predictions look suspicious. Maybe it is manipulated, or the platforms have been used for political reasons. We all know that both candidates are in a close race. The difference between them shouldn't be more than 1-3%. All these dramas will end in less than fifteen days, and we will have a winner.

It is also very true what you say, many things can be done with the surveys, it costs nothing that some, for interests, want to make it look like X candidate is winning, it seems very strange to me because many years ago, the US surveys were very good, very precise and they gave information about what was going to happen, of course at that time the US was not a country as politicized as it is now, I think that now everything is more delicate, with more detail, but of course now things are as they are more difficult, now every piece of information that comes out there is more given to speculation about everything, that is why it seems delicate to me at all times, everything is more surgical.

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Quote from: OgNasty on October 25, 2024, 03:27:01 AM

With the election so close I’m starting to get a little anxious. I’m looking at a 4 figure payday if Trump wins which will be a nice little surprise. I’ll have to see about getting some more last minute bets in with some good parlays in the next week. What once seemed so far in the future is now looking like it’ll be here in no time at all.

That is what I like of these kind of political bets, one can put some money at stake up to a year before the actual election comes in and yet co to use to analyze the betting markets and the polls for us to adjust our wager, either reducing your exposure to it or doubling down with our prediction as surprises appear on social media, which could positively or negatively affect either of the candidates.
I have already seen some left wing commentators to point out this election cycle October surprise is Donald Trump going full national socialist and getting deeper with the anti-immigration and slightly racist retoric. I and not buying into that history being this year October surprise, it would have completely out Donald into a position of disadvantage if it was as bad as the left wing of the USA says it is.
I am placing my final wager this incoming week before the election, it seems there is no October surprise in this cycle and we will have to assume the betting markets are right, and Trump is the most likely to win this election. Only time will tell from now on...

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 24, 2024, 08:26:20 AM

You don't need to trust Polymarket. Look at polling aggregators such as RealClearPolling. According to them, Kamala is ahead by just 0.2% against Trump in popular vote (48.7% vs 48.5%). And according to the same site, Trump is leading in all of the swing states. At the moment, RealClearPolling gives 312 electoral votes to Trump/Vance, and just 226 for Harris/Walz. With each passing day, Kamala's 2024 campaign is resembling the 2016 POTUS campaign by Hillary Clinton.

These polls look dubious, from what I can see, it seems to me that Trump is significantly ahead of Harris, I'm not talking about polls, but what I see in their campaigns, meetings with voters and even how they behave, Trump looks more confident in this regard. Do not think that I give preference to one of them, it does not matter to me who wins, this is just my subjective opinion, as an outside observer, nothing more. It seems to me that if Trump wins, little will change for America, because it is from Biden's team, if Trump, then maybe he will fulfill several of his promises, but it is not yet clear which of them.

You can say that again!

Saying the poll looks dubious is a prerequisite to incline your Trump that the election is rigged, all for you not to face the reality. By the way, who rigged the poll now and what are your proofs? Not only that, why didn't you say it was rigged when Trump was winning Biden for obvious reasons? You guys will not cease to amaze me, "it must always be Trump leading before it is normal."

Again, did you mean to say Trump looks arrogant instead of confident? You should learn the difference. And by the way, you cannot use physical gatherings to judge a virtual or even the real poll, all voters can't be there.

Whoever has the public charisma wins it all and obviously, Kamala doesn't have it we can see it in her rallies. Yes, polls may not be the basis but if it's Kamala leading on the polls, it will be the basis for the people leaning on her to win.

Looking at the odds on betting sites, it's still Trump ahead of her. These bookmakers rarely make mistakes in giving these odds. Polls and odds are still the kind of data to look at who will possibly win the race.

Betting on gambling platforms via blockchain can sometimes be traced to odds being manipulated in some way, as is the case with the odds on Trump. But it's not even so much about manipulation as the fact that bets are being placed by people from all over the world who don't have a vote as US citizens, yet by favouring Trump and betting on him - boosting his odds.

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Quote from: cabron on October 25, 2024, 09:54:01 AM

Whoever has the public charisma wins it all and obviously, Kamala doesn't have it we can see it in her rallies.

The "but his rallies" argument is so dumb.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 24, 2024, 08:26:20 AM

You don't need to trust Polymarket. Look at polling aggregators such as RealClearPolling. According to them, Kamala is ahead by just 0.2% against Trump in popular vote (48.7% vs 48.5%). And according to the same site, Trump is leading in all of the swing states. At the moment, RealClearPolling gives 312 electoral votes to Trump/Vance, and just 226 for Harris/Walz. With each passing day, Kamala's 2024 campaign is resembling the 2016 POTUS campaign by Hillary Clinton.

These polls look dubious, from what I can see, it seems to me that Trump is significantly ahead of Harris, I'm not talking about polls, but what I see in their campaigns, meetings with voters and even how they behave, Trump looks more confident in this regard. Do not think that I give preference to one of them, it does not matter to me who wins, this is just my subjective opinion, as an outside observer, nothing more. It seems to me that if Trump wins, little will change for America, because it is from Biden's team, if Trump, then maybe he will fulfill several of his promises, but it is not yet clear which of them.

You can say that again!

Saying the poll looks dubious is a prerequisite to incline your Trump that the election is rigged, all for you not to face the reality. By the way, who rigged the poll now and what are your proofs? Not only that, why didn't you say it was rigged when Trump was winning Biden for obvious reasons? You guys will not cease to amaze me, "it must always be Trump leading before it is normal."

Again, did you mean to say Trump looks arrogant instead of confident? You should learn the difference. And by the way, you cannot use physical gatherings to judge a virtual or even the real poll, all voters can't be there.

Whoever has the public charisma wins it all and obviously, Kamala doesn't have it we can see it in her rallies. Yes, polls may not be the basis but if it's Kamala leading on the polls, it will be the basis for the people leaning on her to win.

Looking at the odds on betting sites, it's still Trump ahead of her. These bookmakers rarely make mistakes in giving these odds. Polls and odds are still the kind of data to look at who will possibly win the race.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 24, 2024, 08:26:20 AM

You don't need to trust Polymarket. Look at polling aggregators such as RealClearPolling. According to them, Kamala is ahead by just 0.2% against Trump in popular vote (48.7% vs 48.5%). And according to the same site, Trump is leading in all of the swing states. At the moment, RealClearPolling gives 312 electoral votes to Trump/Vance, and just 226 for Harris/Walz. With each passing day, Kamala's 2024 campaign is resembling the 2016 POTUS campaign by Hillary Clinton.

These polls look dubious, from what I can see, it seems to me that Trump is significantly ahead of Harris, I'm not talking about polls, but what I see in their campaigns, meetings with voters and even how they behave, Trump looks more confident in this regard. Do not think that I give preference to one of them, it does not matter to me who wins, this is just my subjective opinion, as an outside observer, nothing more. It seems to me that if Trump wins, little will change for America, because it is from Biden's team, if Trump, then maybe he will fulfill several of his promises, but it is not yet clear which of them.

You can say that again!

Saying the poll looks dubious is a prerequisite to incline your Trump that the election is rigged, all for you not to face the reality. By the way, who rigged the poll now and what are your proofs? Not only that, why didn't you say it was rigged when Trump was winning Biden for obvious reasons? You guys will not cease to amaze me, "it must always be Trump leading before it is normal."

Again, did you mean to say Trump looks arrogant instead of confident? You should learn the difference. And by the way, you cannot use physical gatherings to judge a virtual or even the real poll, all voters can't be there.

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