Topic: 2024 U.S. Presidential Election Bets! - page 15. (Read 15355 times)

I agree with parts of your statement. But I don't agree when you claim that Trump will gain huge number of votes if he supports Bitcoin. How many active Bitcoin users are there in the United States? I mean someone with at least BTC0.1 in his wallet? I would say that the number maybe less than a million. And most of them will be white guys in their 20s or 30s, who has no intention to vote. And how much of this number will shift their voting preferences just because of pro-BTC statements from Trump? Maybe <100k? That would translate to a few hundred votes in swing states such as Nevada and Pennsylvania.

I don't argue here about two possible reasons you are discussing: giving Trump another chance, Joe Biden improved America last four years; but assume a decisive reason for this election winner is the second reason, that is what you want to discuss here. With this reason, I believe Biden failed in his administration and when people realized it through actual impacts on their life quality and security, they will reflect their willingness in the election, and Kamala will fail.

If most of US citizens think Biden and Kamala improved their lives last four years, they will vote for Kamala to have 4 more years with administration from Democratic Party.

We will know what the US citizens feel about Biden and Harris administration in the next month.

I would argue that the winner of this election on November is not a referendum on whether the people want to give the Donald Trump another chance or not. This will be a referendum of whether the people think that Joe Biden has improved America or not.

If Biden and Kamala did very well under their administration, where the people felt some improvement in their lives, would the American people give Trump another chance? I would be very certain that they will not give him another chance.

Supporting crypto should be seen as tech related and supporting a business growth area.   Its not really a gift for government not to ruin something, both sides regardless of politics should not be standing in the way of something productive.

  Genuine growth worldwide in a new sector is going to be in demand for a number of countries.  If the business grows and eventually makes more enough to pay taxes then you want that, especially for employment and a number of fronts.   I cant see I have to favor either side for a common sense position of allowing valid business.


It is surprising for Trump to get another chance yet here we are.   Cant really argue with what the people want.   My view of it is as a part in opposition, I can easily believe every 4 years people grow tired and want another choice besides more of the same.   We could just write it off as people are more changeable less loyal in their votes now, they are willing to spin the wheel and see what happens.
   Forget the names involved, we can believe people are fed up enough to vote for a change in office so a Republican win can happen.

The interesting thins some Americans seem to forget is the fact that Kamala isn't the president, she is the vice president, virtually a useless position aside from making the president look good with another demographic to get some more votes, but the abilities and power of VP is quite limited. So saying Kamala is the one in charge and hasn't done anything feels a little bit weird. But even with that in mind, thinking that the last four years with Biden was "worse" than the 4 years with Trump, is a bit of a stretch.

I mean we have seen over 5k people dead every single day because of Trump. That means, if he shot one person per hour, he would have killed a lot less people, and yet you think Trump was better than this current one? Well that's the beauty of democracy, if you really think trumps 4 year was better than Bidens (not kamala's) four year then go ahead and vote for Trump, because that's how elections work and in this benefit, you think Kamala is in charge now so basically you saw both candidates rule the nation, decide which four years were better.

The current developments are showing that Trump will gain the support from the crypto community. However, let us check the stats the population who are in crypto, and the numbers are still small. So he still needs the support of other groups which can really give him high number of votes.

When it comes to crypto projects, I believe, any President who will be elected will somehow face the fact that this digital market is going mainstream. And so addressing this market will always be in their agenda.


Cryptocurrency: What is it and how it benefits banking and finance

Based from this number, we can say, that the number is indeed increasing. More than 10% of the US population is already good number when it comes to crypto adoption. Thus, any President should also consider this market when it comes to financial programs or decisions.

Even if he fulfils half of his promises related to cryptocurrencies or bitcoin, it will be good for the community. By the way, he is pro-crypto, so we can safely say that there will be no ban on crypto or other things that may have a significant bad impact on crypto.
I think we should be remain optimistic about the potential for positive developments in the crypto space once he (trump) is elected. Creating the favorable environments for crypto investments / projects and the overall adoption may bring a boost to the market sentiments.

Realistically speaking, this incoming election is not actually for the people to choose a change of direction for the country or not. It is rather a referendum on whether the people of the USA are willing to give Trump another chance. The role of Kamala Harris as current Vice-president of the country is irrelevant for the average democrat voter, it is about voting against Trump, instead "voting for Harris". Anyone would have become the nominee in order to replace Joe Biden and still the average democrat voter would still give the support to such person over Trump.
Keeping that in mind, recently Obama took the stage to further make his support for Kamala and Walz clear, by calling out Donald Trump. Considering how popular Obama was back in the day, I would not be surprised he managed to swing some undecided voters in favor of Kamala. Also, it is interesting how Josh Bush has not dared to endorse Trump in the Republican convention, he (Bush) knows the Republican party is not the same it used to be and the core Republican values have been replaced by Trump talking points and conspiracy theories.

Of you go on 270towin and select to draw their map based on polymarket odds, you can see the projected outcome.

I personally find it very unlikely for Trump to win all Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania but it's interesting to see where people are putting their money at. Let's not forget that polymarket is a project by cryptobros though so obviously those more willing to take big risks in crypto probably like trump more. Are there any other big predictions markets we could look for this? Or maybe just bookie odds on a per state basis?

Yes, but the president, vice president and cabinet are limited. They cannot give executive orders. And they also propose laws that have to be passed by the houses. For example the budget law.


Well, that's what he's doing. She is presenting herself as the change the USA needs, as if she had nothing to do with the Biden administration. Add to that that her solution to the economic problems she has helped create is, that she was a middle-class kid.

It appears that you are creating an argument based on how you want to interpret the other argument heheheheh. What is being argued is the comedy of Kamala Harris where if she will say that she will do better than the Biden administration, this will be very much similar to an admission that she, being part of the Biden administration, did not do her duty very well for the people hehehehe.

I always thought there should be more then two choices and that is the case in many countries but USA is so massive and any candidate needs so much money it all gets funnelled into supercharging the prospects of two people.
  It would take a gigantic structural change to alter that system now and same for the much maligned electoral college system.  That is there on purpose to stop absolute democracy being the case, its not a simple majority which does make a bit of sense to me tbh.

I agree both sides of politics cannot really be relied on especially, neither side is a saint just because they appear slightly better then the other.   The fact that neither winner of this election is likely to control all the houses is probably for the best, especially if you consider government just continually accumulates debt on behalf of all its tax payers.

Money speaks, all big business does this kind of lobbying for their own causes and supplies money to make it right in the eyes of the law.

I still dont believe we have moved far from a 50/50 vote situation for either party but also Harris is surely not as secure as many expected at this point with all this money going her way it can only do so much.

Both sides of the fence are crooks.  I can name a zillion things both sides went back on their pre election word on.  I mean as a front yeah trump looks pro bitcoin but he knows there is a large vote he can get from crypto supporters which is now a significant portion of voters.  I don't believe a word any of them say until I see it.  Going to be a rough go on election day trying to figure out which button to push.  300million people and we get these 2 to choose from.  That's the insane thing here.

Not favourable to crypto? Where do you get your information? Biden has been the president with the two All Tim High prices, first in 2021 during bull run, and also this year we broke that again, what do you want which Biden hasn't provided you with?

Republicans are great at making factually mistaken lies, and this is just another one of them, Biden is nearly 80 years old and doesn't care about crypto, probably doesn't even know what a bitcoin is, could be reading from some paper at times, but doesn't care. But his team does, and they jailed so many scammers and punished so many companies for illegal activity, and this means we are seeing crypto grow, because less scams equals more money into it. Plus they are the ones who approved ETF as well, so we have so many companies going into bitcoin, billions of dollars.

Well to their credit, Democrats returned SBFs donations:
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/top-us-democratic-campaign-groups-move-return-bankman-fried-donations-2022-12-16/

As of Donald Trump being a libertarian. I don't know man. I feel like the whole sentiment of expecting presidential support for bitcoin to succeed is kinda contradictory.
DJT may be more supportive of market access and lack of regulation for crypto, but the "market" at hand here is a market that just benefits the big guys. When bitcoin's goal was to operate without intervention from the government, that goal doesn't see much help from stock markets and big investors playing with bitcoin. It may make the price go up in the short term but still... Under any administration, either Democrat or Republican, still the same issues would exist against crypto. Excessive AML regulation for consumers, branding marketplaces as notorious markets etc. 

In the end all the crooks and frauds ends up supporting the Democrat Party. A fine example is that of Sam Bankman-Fraud. Democrats are against any sort of decentralization, and for the cryptocurrency users it is just suicidal to support Kamala Harris. It is like Jews supporting Haj Amin al-Husseini (Grand Mufti of Jerusalem) back in the 1940s. Donald Trump is the most pro-Bitcoin president we can ever get. He is more of a libertarian than a Republican. Supporting Kamala against Trump is outright stupid.

If you liked the bull run we have seen so far, you liked Biden and of course this means you liked Kamala. Meaning if you want 2021 to happen again, you want Kamala, if you want 2018 to happen again then you want Trump. See how easy I was there to judge republican side, I said 2018 the worst year, to make it look like Trump sucked when he was president and crypto was terrible, but I omitted the part where in 2017 it was a bull run, and I omitted the part where 2022 was a bear run too. This is how they brainwash your head.

No president matters, as long as they do not ban bitcoin, no president matters, Trump or Kamala, whoever wins this election, price will go up as long as they do not ban bitcoin.

We cannot keep thinking Trump will be good and Kamala will be bad, we do not care, there are about 20-30 million active bitcoin users in USA, there are x10 of that number all around, and more than half of the money in bitcoin comes out side of USA as well. Hence this shouldn't be a president deal.

Good to hear that Harris is probably leading in Pennsylvania which is the most important swing state primarily due to the abortion issue. Honestly, she is probably being underestimated in the polls and her numbers might be higher.

This has to be one of the dumbest statements that I have ever read in my entire life. The dude was one of the worst presidents in US history. Think!

Right form time when Donald Trump was the president, he has been for focus and never afraid to execute what's in his mind. He talk and he's confident not challenge anyone which has been seen as a form of racism. He doesn't care about the repercussion of his words. We don't really know what he will be up to this time around but it is good we expect to see the price of Bitcoin doing well if he's eventually elected as the president. Donald Trump is a kind of racist but  that's left to people that think he is one. He is the only person I know that is confident enough to face anybody and make sure that the United States economy recovers as soon as possible after he has been the president.

Ok, so, what you guys are essentially saying, is that if Trump gets chosen, JD Vance is the one who is pulling the strings and making decisions, being responsible of anything that administration seemingly does. Anyone else would have thought that Kamala's job was to act in place of the president, in case of president dying, but what does reality have to do with any of this.

Imagine that. I didn't know that Pence was responsible of what his administration did. I guess you should vote for Pence then.

Main psychological reason why there are as many Trump voters, is that uneducated voters are easy pray. They feel unseen and unheard, so the current mascot represents them and what they could be.

Instead growing as a person, fascists have always blamed minority groups for their problems, because they feel that by blaming others, they can identify themselves as majority.  This makes themselves feel included, but sadly that doesn't fill their need to be seen, heard or respected, but in fact they get to be responsible of their actions and often end up in jail for them, because it turns out to be that ultimately others weren't to blame for their problems.

This is easy psychological trick that is used to exploit dense maga-hats by their chosen leaders. This is why the majority of trump voters are uneducated white young men. They wish they wouldn't need to obey laws either, and identify with trump.

Also it's hilarious that you blame Biden Kamala, for how some state or city is doing, when even Trump seems to think that how ever states decide govern themselves, or their laws should be their own business and own responsibility.