Topic: [350 GH/s] "Eligius" (experimental) pool: almost feeless PPS, hoppers welcome - page 19. (Read 116997 times)

can you give me the url to US one just to make sure I'm on it?

If you are on the EU server, then you wont recieve anything, purrely and simply because they havent found a block for ages

If you are on the US server, you would have recieved something by now

I've been mining for over a 4 days now on eligius and I still havent seen a drop of bitcoins.... what gives? I realize I'm mining with a really bad GPU (GTX 258) and getting only 60 mhash/s but shouldn't I atleast be getting SOME bitcoins? like some change? I have a high number of stales too 196 at the moment, but I have 4,383 accepted. Am I misunderstanding how bitcoin mining works? Should I even try to mine with 60 Mhash/s?

Is the EU pool actually working? i know it says it is but 1 block in 7 days is VERY unlucky

Phoenix 1.48 shows in slow mining mode (~9 MH/s) also a LOT of stale/"rejected" shares (15 out of 16 currently). My guess is, that with more than 1 phoenix instance long polling does only work for a single instance...

If this happens with only a single miner too though, the error must be somewhere else.

I had problems with phoenix when I first joined. Might be because I was using bare 1.4 and didnt patch up to 1.46 or 1.47 (.48?)

ufasoft was working fine with shares, but this is what i got with phoenix (runing at the same time):


I stopped it and ran the regular pcolbm miner instead at nearly the same rate.

(however I just got this on it:


is that normal?!)

Im  1BTFUtEscdizVPGiqrKhpy5s6QiQ4nNemC if that helps track this down.

Payouts of 1.0 BTC might be a bit high.

Someone asked 1BTC or once a week (once the credit is a week old? pool credits from the week? dont know), but 1.0BTC has exploded over the last 6 weeks and is about to get a lot higher.

Of course it's an odd thing - soon it will be downright a waste of power and real money to use anything < 10-20MH/s, if it isnt already (unless it's people at work or school leveraging employer's/school's power lol). Im just playing around with BITCOIN and dont have real gear here, a whole 30-35MH/s woot lol. (possibly not economically viable with airconditioning on in the summer...)

If the market keeps climbing like it is, it's quite possible to asymptotically never get paid - until you stop contributing to the pool. That's a strange incentive to provide to pool members - to leave the pool!

Unless it keeps load on the server down by not having to service pissant miners like me - a nice incentive to GTFO and let the big boys do the real work?

Just wondering whats going to happen when the minimum payout of 1.0BTC is on avg 50 6990's running for a month and is worth $1200 USD. (Sorry thats a top of my head guess, i could be off by a magnitude or 3 -- there's some relatively linear range of values for difficulty:$USD exchange rate on mtgox, bitcharts has the data). You get what I mean.

perhaps payouts should be when they're equivalent to one USD according to MTGOX or average of the largest 3-5 exchanges or something.

Feel free to base it on Euros too, or some basket of currencies. Maybe we should base it on the price of oil, since electricity tracks that somewhat too... lol. Economics 101 fun!

really, it should just be based on the current difficulty, relative, say, to what 1 BTC:cur difficulty is right now. (434883, for reference when this topic is another 3-6 weeks old...)

That's a great Idea. Artefact2 could add some calculations for the individual stats like "The Patch written by Luke-Jr resulted in approx. XYZ more BTC for you since you've joined Eligius. How about donating a part of this for the Pool"

Awesome page!

Do you have a hashrate distribution diagram? Like showing the statistical distribution and stddevs for the population.  That'd be interesting to see. Also would be interesting to see is the movement overtime of 2std devs or so of the hashrate population above and below the mean, graphed over time. This will show how fast the pool is increasing its power per individual contributor (not that contributors cant generate more addresses for themselves to mine with..)

Awesome work thanks! Soon as I have some BTC's ill start donating lol.

phppgadmin - web-based administration tool for PostgreSQL

course, real men just use really huge xterms instead and alot of scrollback...

SRSLY, responsible financial institutions use postgres. It's a question of how serious
your local bank-pool is about transactions!

Then again, replication between nodes is a lot easier with mysql, at my last look. Could be better now in pgsql...

except we've finally invented the proof-of-work-to-spam system. You have to mine to spam them. And the spam isnt very interesting.

It'd be great if spammers joined the pool to spam out block solves and payment information, and contributed GH/s to the pool! not likely tho..

maybe "-- This payment info message brought to you by [1a|_iS!!!!"

lol.

You're a great guy.

I'm going to give the pool a 1-2 day test run.
I hope I can figure out the stat page to check progress after some hours. 

Should I remind that the pool already keeps all the tx fees ? It's not uncommon at all to see blocks found with > 0.1 BTC fees (some even have > 0.3). So, in the long term, the more hashpower the pool has, the less need for a fee there is.

you really should go for a small fee like you said. that would still be much better than the competition.

the problem with donations is that only the good guys pay. and because of that I do not want to donate any more and thus become a bad guy myself >=)

Come on people, this is the only pool where you can independently verify that you are getting the real payout via blockexplorer, join up!

Like I said, I'm not putting a fee. And there's no easy way to figure out the overall pool costs. Hence, it's ok if people just donate what they consider a fair amount every once in a while.

A fee would be well-justified.

However, I think it's one of eligius' unique selling points to have no fee.

Therefore let me propose a way to encourage users to donate: We could put something like this

http://bitpoll.dyndns.org?poll=4 EDIT: according to luke-jr this is not needed, just normal donations. see http://eligius.st/~artefact2/ or http://bitpoll.dyndns.org?poll=2 for addresses.

on the stats page (at the top or in the middle). (note I used some of eligius' donation addresses here, namely the ones for "stats page" and "pool")

People *love* progress bars, they are really motivational.

So I'm offering my help in putting something like that on the stats-page (using javascript, iframe to my site, server-side or whatever is best)

how 'bout it, luke, wanna try this first, before you put a fee?

also: if you like the idea, even if you dont want this on your page(s)), can you please give me some addresses for the months (we could use 1RNUbHZwo2PmrEQiuX5ascLEXmtcFpooL for April)

FYI, after a week of testing on Europe, I have calculated that a patch I wrote decreases duplicate work by 0.7%. Given the current pool size of 60 GH/s, that means we now (once I apply it to the USA pool) accomplish a whole 420 MH/s extra than an unpatched bitcoind, or almost 1 BTC per day at the current difficulty. Even half of that, 0.50 BTC per day, would take only until the end of the current difficulty to cover the expense of the time I spent writing the patch.

In my mind, this would justify adding a long-term 0.7% "fee" to the pools, but I'm not going to do that. Instead, I'm going to just publish the information and ask everyone to keep this fact in mind when considering donating to the pool.

If anyone would like to double-check my math, let me know and I'll setup an account for MySQL access. I started calculation from UNIX timestamp 1306000000 (about a week ago), but it should be safe to start as early as May 11th. During this time, Europe had the patches, but USA did not.

Thanks. I also appreciate donations, as the pool's fee structure doesn't really cover expenses (it mainly exists to create numbers for testing).