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Quote from: DrBeer on November 06, 2021, 06:24:49 AM

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By giving money for this, you yourself generate systemic poverty, which becomes genetic.

I have researched and found that lots of poor people don't have the intentions to work. So even if riches ask poor people to work to get money for their work, there will be more exploitation than 'helping out' because riches will behave like a boss then. I totally agree with your systemic poverty line, but the mental state of poors have been so much narrowed down that they are unable to come out of that, thinking they have no life and due to less to zero knowledge, they don't know about and cannot learn anything new. If everybody starts thinking the way you think, then there will be no donations at all.

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Quote from: noorman0 on November 03, 2021, 08:27:51 AM

Have you read the latest news?
"Elon Musk is ready to sell his Tesla shares to donate $6 billion".(source).

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This comes in response to a tweet made by David Beasley, director of the UN’s World Food Programme (WFP).

In his tweet, Beasley had mentioned the $36 billion increase in Musk’s net worth after Hertz ordered 100,000 Teslas. He added that one-sixth of this increase, which is $6 billion, could help save 42 million people who are suffering from famine.

If interpreted based on google data, that number is only about 2% of the total value of Musk's wealth.

What do you think,
Does it really only take 2% of musk's wealth to solve world hunger?
How do we assess this phenomenon based on its purpose, from a humanity or economic perspective?

World hunger is not an issue that can easily be solved by just giving away money to those who don't have food, and it is not going to be solved in short period of time, the nature of how the world is divided into countries with a lot of natural resources and ones where even the smallest crops can't even grow, and also hunger is driven by many other problems, such conflicts like civil war and war between countries that they lead to displacing a lot of people and creating poverty and hunger, and these are problems that can't be solved as long as humankind exist.

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I don't think that could completely eliminate the world hunger but to be honest, that would really help a lot. It will take a long time to solve that world problem because we couldn't end it by giving a single meal but by continuous feeding. Providing temporary food is just a temporary solution. However, Elon's generosity in case that's true should be something to be thankful for because 6 billion is already a huge amount of funds.

It will help a lot but these people who sees a specific amount to end a problem that has been there since the ancient days are joking around. They're just projecting a value that might end hunger but in reality, there are more problems that will exist after doing that. Famine/hunger has been there for a long time and it's not going to solve it as exact as what they're speculating and projecting. What they must do is to use that money to provide jobs and build better projects that will sustain these people for the longer term. They only look at the short term solution and it's not really enough IMHO. Just like the very known quote about feeding and teaching to fish.

this is indeed good to make at least those who experience hunger a little helped by it.
but to overcome hunger by giving nominal I don't think it's a solution.
because it seems that hunger will always exist even if this is done because there is no absolute guarantee that it will be evenly distributed, besides that with something like this it is only possible to make hunger at least stop for some time after that there will definitely be more hunger in every region.
it would probably be great if we focused on giving people who don't have jobs a chance to be empowered.
because with things like giving help to people who are under poverty maybe they will be happy and will always hope that it continues so they don't want to change themselves.

We acknowledge and salute them that helps to reduce world hunger but having such aim to solve the problem, that money isn't really enough. It's not all about the amount of people that can be fed with that 6 billion dollars but it's about what it can do to change a lot of lives.
I think these people and social workers should look at that perspective aside from just feeding them all at once. How long will that amount sustain them feeding for those who are in need? That amount will eventually be gone and will also be lessen before it probably go to the receivers if there are corrupt officials.

as you said, as long as there are many corrupt officials and many people abusing their power things like this will not go very smoothly.
on the other hand, things like this are not wrong, in fact things like this are a good thing because at least they can reduce the suffering of many people. but indeed the system that is carried out and the method is not quite right.
because it's true that things like this won't last for long.

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Quote from: noorman0 on November 03, 2021, 08:27:51 AM

What do you think,
Does it really only take 2% of musk's wealth to solve world hunger?
How do we assess this phenomenon based on its purpose, from a humanity or economic perspective?

As far as I know, Elon Musk challenged the UN that if it does solve world hunger, he will sell his Tesla shares but the expenditures must be reflected on a public ledger for transparency and for everyone to see. But to be honest, 6 billion to solve world hunger is too far fetched given that this will only solve the problem short-term.

Like what is stated on the Bible, If you give a man a fish he is hungry again in an hour. If you teach him to catch a fish you do him a good turn. So like what I previously mentioned, this is only a band-aid solution that will not eradicate world hunger completely but address such problem short-term.

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No matter how much money is invested to be distributed to those who really need money to buy foods won't solve world hunger unless there is a group of rich people will help. In my opinion, It became worst when pandemic hits. Even if you help someone to make him able to get food on his own it won't help most of thw time. Not all will be accepted in work unless you live in a place where there is a vast body of water where you can grow fish.

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Quote from: noorman0 on November 03, 2021, 08:27:51 AM

Does it really only take 2% of musk's wealth to solve world hunger?
How do we assess this phenomenon based on its purpose, from a humanity or economic perspective?

That depends on what they're really going to do with the money, are they just going to buy food and give to them and that’s all? Because, sometimes it’s not all about giving fish to a man, it's all about teaching them how to fish.

When you continue to give fish to a man they will keep on coming back and begging for more fish, but when you teach them how to fish they will be able to take up their hook and fish and feed themselves and be able to take care of their family as well. So if they’re saying $6 billion, and their plan is to share it for those poor people or open a business for them, how much did they plan to share it for each of the homes that are in famine?

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Quote from: noorman0 on November 05, 2021, 01:48:31 PM

Hahaa, someone important wants to reveal something here. He began to suspect a lot of things about the UN. Looks like the donation will fail, unfortunately.

Unfortunately, however, this corresponds to the truth. Large aid organizations such as the UN spend too much of the donations on bureaucracy and other things. In the worst case, some of the money even seeps away into dark channels. Only a part of it ultimately reaches the people who need it. Elon Musk could certainly use his fame and power to make sure that he is shown exactly what is being done with the money, but I still say that 6 billion will not be enough to solve the problem.

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Please explain - why did everyone decide that the problem is for solving the poor - someone must come and solve their problem from their wallet? Why should someone solve their problems for them? Why, in fact, do they want to become the kept women of rich people who have earned their fortunes through work, knowledge and so on, i.e. investing LABOR, TIME, FORCE. But for the poor, they have to bring it, and give it, and free of charge ... And they do not want to take money, but not to eat it up, but to get an education, undergo training, build a plant and start producing products. And this will give jobs, regular income, the opportunity to develop ... Ah ... no ... it's hard, it's better when they just give money without demanding it back, and food and also free. By giving money for this, you yourself generate systemic poverty, which becomes genetic.

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Money "can" solve the problem, it wouldn't be "one rich person solves it" type of thing but more like if you build an infrastructure type of way. So instead of buying food and giving it to the people who are hungry, find the common places where people are hungry and build vast farms there. Even if the place is not proper for farming because of the land or drought and all that, there are ways to solve it like building wells and bringing water from one place to another.

Africa is surrounded by water as we all know, and yes bringing that water to everywhere around the water is a very expensive thing but can be done with "money", you could also use filters to turn that into water that can be used for crops as well. So, I believe that there is a good chance that we could end up with a good amount of money in wrong hands and may fail, but we could also build stuff that could make farms and ranches and so forth to make it work a lot better than just giving food.

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I the data of hungry people is not correct, they are many hungry people and they don't have to be from somalia, south or north sudan, their are hungry people in my country very hungry they are having illness associated wy malnutrition, but they don't get enough relief and this reliefs packages program has been ran for years, I think it's a mandate for billionaire or even millionaire in dollars, or and philanthropist to be concern how their charity work is spent, I think more plans should be in place not every year donation for hunger in africa, education can be added.

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Quote from: noorman0 on November 03, 2021, 08:27:51 AM

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What do you think,
Does it really only take 2% of musk's wealth to solve world hunger?

I was thinking whether that 2% of Musk's wealth will be evenly distributed among all the needy ones? Or how will they distribute it? Through money or food? And here comes my biggest concern - will those funds be even distributed at all or will be eaten up by middlemen?

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How do we assess this phenomenon based on its purpose, from a humanity or economic perspective?

It depends on the intentions of the speaker as well as the responsiveness of Musk whether he honestly does what he said, and if he will, what steps will WHO take afterwards?

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Quote from: adzino on November 05, 2021, 04:07:00 PM

Quote from: noorman0 on November 03, 2021, 08:27:51 AM

Have you read the latest news?
"Elon Musk is ready to sell his Tesla shares to donate $6 billion".(source).

Quote

This comes in response to a tweet made by David Beasley, director of the UN’s World Food Programme (WFP).

In his tweet, Beasley had mentioned the $36 billion increase in Musk’s net worth after Hertz ordered 100,000 Teslas. He added that one-sixth of this increase, which is $6 billion, could help save 42 million people who are suffering from famine.

If interpreted based on google data, that number is only about 2% of the total value of Musk's wealth.

What do you think,
Does it really only take 2% of musk's wealth to solve world hunger?
How do we assess this phenomenon based on its purpose, from a humanity or economic perspective?

Just money won't solve world hunger problem. You need to provide them with a proper framework so that those people suffering can end the world hunger themselves alone. And look at those countries where hunger is wide spread. Those countries are politically unstable and filled with corrupted governments. Who knows what is going to happen to the money Elon sends them. I have sure the top leaders are going to pocket like most of the donations like they always do and Elon knows this very well.

True,It wont resolve the problem because when people had already used up the money had been donated then they would come back again on that certain state.
Basically means that you would really need to provde into them about those livelihood things for them to at least will able to
sustain themselves on long run.

World hunger is something that cant really be just resolved on few billions yet there are several factors needed
to completely solve the problem.

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Quote from: noorman0 on November 03, 2021, 08:27:51 AM

Have you read the latest news?
"Elon Musk is ready to sell his Tesla shares to donate $6 billion".(source).

Quote

This comes in response to a tweet made by David Beasley, director of the UN’s World Food Programme (WFP).

In his tweet, Beasley had mentioned the $36 billion increase in Musk’s net worth after Hertz ordered 100,000 Teslas. He added that one-sixth of this increase, which is $6 billion, could help save 42 million people who are suffering from famine.

If interpreted based on google data, that number is only about 2% of the total value of Musk's wealth.

What do you think,
Does it really only take 2% of musk's wealth to solve world hunger?
How do we assess this phenomenon based on its purpose, from a humanity or economic perspective?

Just money won't solve world hunger problem. You need to provide them with a proper framework so that those people suffering can end the world hunger themselves alone. And look at those countries where hunger is wide spread. Those countries are politically unstable and filled with corrupted governments. Who knows what is going to happen to the money Elon sends them. I have sure the top leaders are going to pocket like most of the donations like they always do and Elon knows this very well.

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Quote from: crwth on November 05, 2021, 03:47:38 AM

I think the people who are really desperate with food will do anything. Elon tweeted this to the chief of WFP

Quote from: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1454930023966773249

What happened here? https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/627783/Starving-children-as-young-as-NINE-forced-to-give-UN-officials-oral-sex-to-get-food

And it's just something that would be an eye-opener to those who don't have anything but can't help do anything about it. It's about time to do something and help them.

Hahaa, someone important wants to reveal something here. He began to suspect a lot of things about the UN. Looks like the donation will fail, unfortunately.

$6 billion apparently not only gives a hungry person a little hope, but also makes full people hungry. Even $6 trillion won't eradicate hunger.

Quote from: https://twitter.com/DrEliDavid/status/1456364288839491585

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Quote from: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1456373226326700032

Seems that way. Publishing their transaction ledger would clarify matters.

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You don't end world hunger by donating food: you just delay it.
There's a saying (a meme, actually) that goes "Poverty's antidote is not money: it's education."
As long as you keep sending food to the indigent, they will keep being miserable. You feed them today, and they'll be hungry again tomorrow. But if you invest in education and feed them, you will create the foundation for a better society in the future. And it doesn't take such an ungodly amount of money either, it just takes the commitment of people helping people for the right reasons, not just as a tax write-off or a PR stunt.

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Quote from: noorman0 on November 03, 2021, 08:27:51 AM

Have you read the latest news?
"Elon Musk is ready to sell his Tesla shares to donate $6 billion".(source).

Quote

This comes in response to a tweet made by David Beasley, director of the UN’s World Food Programme (WFP).

In his tweet, Beasley had mentioned the $36 billion increase in Musk’s net worth after Hertz ordered 100,000 Teslas. He added that one-sixth of this increase, which is $6 billion, could help save 42 million people who are suffering from famine.

If interpreted based on google data, that number is only about 2% of the total value of Musk's wealth.

What do you think,
Does it really only take 2% of musk's wealth to solve world hunger?
How do we assess this phenomenon based on its purpose, from a humanity or economic perspective?

Elon is not selling his assets to donate $6 billion, it was simply a rhetorical answer to a UN official who claimed to have some magic formula for ending world hunger and that a billionaire like him could solve it overnight. Elon gets to look like a hero by countering this ludicrous claim that such a low amount of money is a magic bullet to stop something that has plagued mankind for centuries. The UN official gets some free publicity for their cause but really looks rather silly to anyone with an ounce of intelligence who would know that having a big pot of money (which is tiny in practice) does not instantly solve this problem which has all sorts of reasons and causes.

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on November 04, 2021, 08:26:42 AM

Did many saw this tweet coming from Elon Musk himself??
https://twitter.com/jjohnson_says/status/1455164965027975171/photo/1

He said to that if WFP can describe and can publicly share the distribution of how the fund will be spent then he will immediately sell his Tesla Stock to fulfill what they've said.

It's a bluff, a smart one, rather. WFP couldn't possibly create any plan to end world hunger, it's all theatrics to demonize the rich. They've taken on more than 6 billion in funds throughout the organization's existence, yet they're requesting for even more money to solve problems they don't have any solutions to. Throwing money at a problem does not solve it, and if it did, I'd hope the WFP would attempt to at least raise funds from other nations instead of looking at a private individual to bankroll their useless plans.

Expect Musk's proposal to go no where, the WFP aren't serious.

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From a humanitarian perspective, I think Elon deserve respect because he has a desire to save million of starving souls. It is clear that the amount to be used for charity may not be sufficient for everyone who deserve it, but at least it can help. It is highly unlikely that Elon will be responsible for helping million of people who have been starving for month because I think it is the countries and government of the world that should be held accountable for that. Even if Elon later decided to invest $6 billion of his money to help, it would only alleviate the hunger afflicting million of people and not solve it.

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on November 03, 2021, 09:54:00 AM

Based on this article [1] there're 811 million people worldwide still lack of food, so 6 billion/811 million is $7,39. I don't think with such amount will solve world hunger or even Musk give more money, still it doesn't resolve the cause of world hunger. Lack of skills, poor money management, bad income distribution or lazy are the cause of world hunger. Teach a man to fish, rather than give fish.

[1] https://www.actionagainsthunger.org/world-hunger-facts-statistics

It can't solve world hunger buy it can help even a little especially this time of pandemic that many people lost their job. There will be no disappearance of poverty and the poor, just in case it will cause an imbalance in the economy. People need to work just to live and not just to rely on others like what you have said. Everyone need to works base on their skills and capability. But is also good if we can help them as much as we can.

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If rich people want to eliminate the hunger from this world then its certainly possible but I don't think this will happen in the long run, only rich people will exist as long as there are poor people who will be ready to give their effort to make your boss rich. Probably just for a publicity stunt and Elon is famous at doing with free of cost by tweets.

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