6 billion to solve world hunger? - page 7.

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Quote from: noorman0 on November 03, 2021, 09:27:51 AM

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What do you think,
Does it really only take 2% of musk's wealth to solve world hunger?
How do we assess this phenomenon based on its purpose, from a humanity or economic perspective?

I am not sure how they got the value of $6 billion to solve world hunger, if it was that easy then it would have been sorted out long back and these numbers are made up to serve the purpose and nothing else.

I am not doing any research or calculation but from top of my mind i can say that you need an estimated around $100 billion per year to feed everyone globally who is living under poverty. Even if you do that for an year how anyone is going to solve the hunger issue forever if you are not able to spent that much amount every year for infinite years Tongue

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Quote from: bL4nkcode on November 04, 2021, 11:53:57 AM

No amount of money can solve world hunger or lift poor in their conditions. Elon's response is too cunning on the tweet. The question is "HOW".

Even the richest men chips in for a cause for the hunger, if the one who handles the funds 'til to the lower bracket is irresponsible as we all know corruption is too evident in the lower column (weii, even on world/intl. orgs behind), it will still not work. Not unless they are fully transparent as Elon's said (from the transfer of fund, documents and the distribution)

Lack of funding is not the cause of this suffering, it's all about who and how the works behind, it's all about corruption.

Indeed!

There's no such fund amount could solve out world hunger but at least this amount could really help tons at least.This does really shows off that there's
still hope for humanity and this might be an eye opener for those billionaires out there to do the same which at least make out some significant movement
towards on fighting this global problem.

This isnt something that you could just resolve out on few billions but still a great and good move done by Elon which do at least shows
that he cares.

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Stupid enough decision. Remember the history of the creation of the USSR - "take away from the rich and give to the poor." OK. Made. And if before that the country had a certain stratum of the rich, a significant stratum of the middle class, and a small stratum of the poor (who, by the way, were supported by both the rich and the middle class), then after the division of material wealth, they got a full country of beggars, who decided that everyone owes them everything.

It seems more logical to me - for this money to build really useful production, to give people jobs, to fill the country with taxes. One working in a normal company, in a poor country, can support 2-3 more people. And this will be DEVELOPMENT and not TEMPORARY CLOSURE OF THE PROBLEM.
Believe me - even 6 billion dollars can be eaten very quickly and absolutely mediocre ... Think about the real prospects for development and solving the problem of poverty, and not about stuffing your stomach every second.

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Quote from: Cling18 on November 04, 2021, 11:38:12 AM

I don't think that could completely eliminate the world hunger but to be honest, that would really help a lot. It will take a long time to solve that world problem because we couldn't end it by giving a single meal but by continuous feeding. Providing temporary food is just a temporary solution. However, Elon's generosity in case that's true should be something to be thankful for because 6 billion is already a huge amount of funds.

Elon Musk has set his sights on becoming a great man and marked a page in history with these actions, his money right now will go to the best purposes to gain everyone's recognition, although 6 billion cannot solve hunger completely but it is still very abundant to help disadvantaged people endure after the pandemic as well as economic failure. With this pioneering, many more generous people will follow, but in general, the organizations and recipients of this fund should also aim for long-term good things like training and finding more work, too free only multiply laziness

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Solving hunger is possible, but it's not a financial issue. AFAIK, we overproduce food on the global level, with estimates being that enough food is produced to feed 10 billion people. But in wealthy places there's a lot of food waste on various levels, from an average US household wasting 30% of its food to UK supermarkets wasting what equals 190 million meals each year. The problem is not of the lack of production of resources. It's terrible distribution and also huge geographic inequality where some countries produce way more than they need and others don't produce enough. It's important to support efforts that provide food to those who need it, but to truly end hunger, big political decisions have to be made because some countries are unbelievably corrupt, so no amount of money being poured into the hands of their elites is enough to make a difference to the people who live in poverty.

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Quote from: noorman0 on November 03, 2021, 09:27:51 AM

What do you think,
Does it really only take 2% of musk's wealth to solve world hunger?

Elon is wise enough by any statement, see the conclusion "only if the United Nations is transparent". It is clearly a test against the rest by the marks of doubt. Certainly many people will compare that act to Jeff, but I like the way Elon shows it. Transparency is needed and the masks must be unambiguously removed for the chaos on the brink of anything involved.

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From a humanitarian perspective, this is an outrageous injustice and an inhumane phenomenon. How can one person own all these billions of dollars while millions around the world are dying of starvation? We are not talking here about the minimum required to live with human dignity!!! Rather, we are talking about the minimum required to survive only, millions of people in Africa and third world countries are unable to feed their children while 2% of Musk's wealth is enough to feed 42 million hungry!!!! What a truly painful human paradox!!!
As for the economic perspective, this does not matter, because the economy is not built on morals, but is built on benefit and interest only!!! Elon Musk has achieved great economic success and amassed billions so he can proudly brag in front of the cameras that he is ready to donate $6 billion to feed the hungry!!! But do you really donate??!!! Do they just need donations??!!!

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What is the real number then? I mean is there even a specific number? If it is not 6 billion then would 60 billion work? Would 600 billion work? We had USA printing 2+ trillion dollars twice in the past 2 years, what would happen with 4 trillion dollars? Would that solve world hunger? We had that and nothing too grand happened for USA economy, sure it is not great but it is not at the brink of poverty neither. Which means maybe USA could print enough money to solve world hunger forever and they would be able to not get impacted a lot from it as well?

None of that would work, the reality is that world hunger is a manmade thing, if all those dictators and political parties and so forth didn't let it be then we would not have any world hunger. Money is not the issue, you could have unlimited amount of money and still wouldn't be enough, how are you going to solve the starvation problem in North Korea if they won't allow you? Or how would you stop a dictatorship if you keep giving them food constantly to feed it is people and affectively making them more powerful? All in all, money could solve "some" world hunger problems, but not all of them, only a small portion of it.

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It is possible it could. From what I learned anything is possible when it comes to the ideas and thought of one person.

Sadly when I search about this topic on google and it gave me this How Much Would It Cost To End World Hunger?

Reading this gave a perspective that now it could somehow maybe call out all billionaires it could happen to solve it ASAP.

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Estimates of how much money it would take to end world hunger range from $7 billion to $265 billion per year.

Happily, it's talking about a year to feed people not help people work so it should be more than $6 billion or more to $265 to end world hunger for eternity.

My thoughts are...

We need food to survive we also need jobs to make money and survive. Specifically, it's not just about the money it's about people gaining knowledge to take care of our earth for we all know our foods came from mother nature.

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No amount of money can solve world hunger or lift poor in their conditions. Elon's response is too cunning on the tweet. The question is "HOW".

Even the richest men chips in for a cause for the hunger, if the one who handles the funds 'til to the lower bracket is irresponsible as we all know corruption is too evident in the lower column (weii, even on world/intl. orgs behind), it will still not work. Not unless they are fully transparent as Elon's said (from the transfer of fund, documents and the distribution)

Lack of funding is not the cause of this suffering, it's all about who and how the works behind, it's all about corruption.

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I don't think that could completely eliminate the world hunger but to be honest, that would really help a lot. It will take a long time to solve that world problem because we couldn't end it by giving a single meal but by continuous feeding. Providing temporary food is just a temporary solution. However, Elon's generosity in case that's true should be something to be thankful for because 6 billion is already a huge amount of funds.

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Did many saw this tweet coming from Elon Musk himself??
https://twitter.com/jjohnson_says/status/1455164965027975171/photo/1

He said to that if WFP can describe and can publicly share the distribution of how the fund will be spent then he will immediately sell his Tesla Stock to fulfill what they've said.

Quote from: crwth on November 04, 2021, 04:23:30 AM

With the articles that I read, the WFP chief said

Quote from: https://twitter.com/WFPChief/status/1454883966071230472

$6B will not solve world hunger, but it WILL prevent geopolitical instability, mass migration and save 42 million people on the brink of starvation. An unprecedented crisis and a perfect storm due to Covid/conflict/climate crises.

I do hope that it happens, at least, millions of people would be saved and I hope it can be maintained with the efforts of the program. I hope they would be transparent with everyone like an open ledger type thing like in cryptocurrencies.

Well, they seconded what they've said because what they said was wrong and impossible. Expected Cheesy

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Anyway, $6B will help at least some people to at least have some food for some days. Give kids education to work. Give kids chance to work and learn something. That might help the world hunger because there are countries who are staying poor because of lack of education. Food isn't enough for these to solve their starvation. What they need is knowledge. Knowledge that will help them. Spend some money to share some knowledge and that might help them. Well, I agree though that this $6B will save some people from starvation.

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Isn't it simply a temporary solution? I'd honestly agree with the teach them to fish instead of giving them fish ideas instead. Run a scholarship program of sorts where you sponsor a community for a year or two of learning and then have them come work under a company for a set amount of time. It may take a longer time, but it's honestly better than just having a short-term project to help those in need. Though I guess if we take into account the matter of actually turning malnourished people into people that could actually learn, study and work, it might take a bit more time, and probably money.

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Quote from: Shasha80 on November 03, 2021, 06:38:54 PM

What Elon Musk did by donating $6 billion should be appreciated

He didn't give any money, he has accepted the challenge and will give the amount if there's an accounting and liquidity record for that money.

This brings up something very interesting!
He went to the interview on CNN , made this claim on how billions would help the poor yet when asked how he would do so and he came with this:
https://www.wfp.org/stories/assisting-42-million-people-edge-famine

Sorry but if this is the result for which the WFP pays 180 million a year , from which 40$ millions are on "consultants" the problems is somewhere else

Damn, that's too much pay for the consultants. I'm sure that it's not only me that got thinking that these organizations are receiving funds from almost everywhere in the world, not only from the countries that are pledging funds, to private organizations and as well as rich individuals.
Whilst them, they're putting a huge fund for these consultants, and yet they have the audacity to talk about solving world hunger through putting that burden on the richest person in the world. I'm not defending Elon but it's a thing from the past and we're pretty sure that even Elon donates the said amount, it won't end hunger.

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Will 6 billion really solve that issue ? I think this will only improve a bit current world hunger situation. This will solve the situation for a couple of months, and then situation return to when it was. To be able to solve completely, or in a greater extent, he should make such donations on regular basis. And even then some people will still find it better to be fed through donations, instead of doing something to earn and buy food.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on November 04, 2021, 05:39:15 AM

I believe in the principle of ...." Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.." So why should Elon Musk give people money to feed people, when he can create jobs in 3rd world countries and teach the people to make money for themselves?

The rich people should not give money away.... let that money work for them to be able to create more jobs ..to feed more people. Wink

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I believe in the principle of ...." Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.." So why should Elon Musk give people money to feed people, when he can create jobs in 3rd world countries and teach the people to make money for themselves?

The rich people should not give money away.... let that money work for them to be able to create more jobs ..to feed more people. Wink

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People will be happy of course but I don't believe that 6 billion is enough to cover every part of the world it won't reach everyone but will actually make things more better, half bread is always better than none they say.

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Quote from: crwth on November 04, 2021, 04:23:30 AM

It's up to the world food program to get the solution and find a way how 6 billion could alleviate all the problems. It's amazing how much social media could do and how it is announced and shared throughout the world. I think the opportunity that they need to take advantage of is how they are going to implement the transparency thing by spending so much money and how it can be controlled and monitored.

With the articles that I read, the WFP chief said

Quote from: https://twitter.com/WFPChief/status/1454883966071230472

$6B will not solve world hunger, but it WILL prevent geopolitical instability, mass migration and save 42 million people on the brink of starvation. An unprecedented crisis and a perfect storm due to Covid/conflict/climate crises.

I do hope that it happens, at least, millions of people would be saved and I hope it can be maintained with the efforts of the program. I hope they would be transparent with everyone like an open ledger type thing like in cryptocurrencies.

Definitely. If all of that happens then it will make all of the people happy because as you said it saves at least millions of people. And as like you, I also hope that it can be maintained with efforts of the program. Maybe those money they are going to donate might even reduce the hunger of some people but charity might be better instead of waiting. If we have something that might help other people to relieve their hunger then why not give them open arms. Let's help not wait.

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It's up to the world food program to get the solution and find a way how 6 billion could alleviate all the problems. It's amazing how much social media could do and how it is announced and shared throughout the world. I think the opportunity that they need to take advantage of is how they are going to implement the transparency thing by spending so much money and how it can be controlled and monitored.

With the articles that I read, the WFP chief said

Quote from: https://twitter.com/WFPChief/status/1454883966071230472

$6B will not solve world hunger, but it WILL prevent geopolitical instability, mass migration and save 42 million people on the brink of starvation. An unprecedented crisis and a perfect storm due to Covid/conflict/climate crises.

I do hope that it happens, at least, millions of people would be saved and I hope it can be maintained with the efforts of the program. I hope they would be transparent with everyone like an open ledger type thing like in cryptocurrencies.

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