Topic: 6 billion to solve world hunger? - page 8. (Read 1090 times)

Unfortunately the reality is that if you just give them land and tools, they won't do better. Nowadays agriculture works really good only if the same entity has large lands, hence affording all the tools/machines needed, from tractors to fertilizing gears and all that's needed for irrigation too. The smarter ones even do some processing of their harvest before selling, meaning animal farms and/or processing factories...
And on top of this, I would not be surprised if Netherlands also imports food (which they process and then sell).

Also, about fertility rate: usually religion and, even more, the lack of education leads to that. Just look at the numbers in Europe, for example. The more developed the country is, the lower the rate. Is that good? I wouldn't be so sure. Maybe large scale migration fixes that somewhat, but that usually means war which I don't wish to anyone.

Now back on topic: the problem is that all that population is not in one place, hence multiple investments would be needed, exceeding greatly those 6bn.
Maybe then something like what @Mauser said before: investment in some large farms and also a distribution network. Of course, this is clearly not "learning to fish".

And I also agree with some other posts here: is this really about world hunger, or it's about advertising UN and Elon? I guess that's somewhere in between...

No, but it's still a great help for those who are living in hunger now especially children in the street or those in rural places that cannot afford 3 meals per day or worse not even 2.
2 billion dollars is a lot of money and he doesn't really need to do it, it's all because of his hard work but if this news is true then I commend him for offering the said amount and a helping hand.
Economic. Some people even believe it is the balance of nature, there should be rich and poor or else no one will work their ass to make money.
I am not a fan of that belief though. There could always be balance without stepping down to anyone or the need for hierarchy.

I'm sick of all the "save third world countries from hunger and poverty" type of foundations,who are only begging and asking for money,but nobody can measure their effectiveness and control how the money are actually spent.
Musk can donate them 6 billion dollars,but:
1.A portion of the money will sink into some pockets,without any positive impact for the poor.
2.They will feed the hungry people for a while,but when the money runs out,the people will become hungry again.
The solution is better education system,increased birth control and more investments in the industry and agriculture sectors of the third world countries.

Somehow I thought of this and I asked the last question.
Because I believe from the way he looks enthusiastic about answering the WFP challenge, Musk personally will not be satisfied with his current achievements. Important people will always have an economic or social "importance" wherever they speak. They will never be anonymous if they do goodness.


Yep, I believe it. Begging and slavery are a never ending cycle as long as people still care about their egos and ambitions. And public media like Forbes will keep them ambitious.

Helping to save 42 million people who are suffering from famine is not the same as solving world hunger. Famine is more or less a severe phenomenon and it could perhaps be solved with that huge amount of money from Elon, but will it be enough to completely address world hunger? I don't think so. World hunger could only be addressed by exterminating poverty, which I believe is impossible.

$6 billion could feed 42 million people suffering from famine but only for some time. Will it be sustainable? I don't think so. Will it transform these people into productive, self-sustaining, and resilient communities? I don't think so. Famine is recurring. While there should be an immediate response to it, the long-term solution should be given more priority.

Then instead of giving them fish give them a fishing pole.
If they are in the middle of the desert instead of giving them food each year making them depend on help invest that money in irrigation and agricultural gear.
The Netherlands has 1/10 of the arable land Niger has with almost the same population but they are one of the largest exporters of food!

And all this thing about poeple in poor regions not having enough food brings the one really interesting question, how have these poeple survived till date without food wand how is that there are still millions of them and still multiplying at insane levels, for example in Mali with a  fertility rate of 5.6 or Niger at 6.8? What have these poeple done before the UN was even created?



This brings up something very interesting!
He went to the interview on CNN , made this claim on how billions would help the poor yet when asked how he would do so and he came with this:
https://www.wfp.org/stories/assisting-42-million-people-edge-famine

Sorry but if this is the result for which the WFP pays 180 million a year , from which 40$ millions are on "consultants" the problems is somewhere else

It won't solve world hunger, it will only solve a few days of hunger and that's just a band-aid and temporary solution. This UN food official is just taking the attention of Elon.
What's with Elon's responsibility for doing that? They're the ones on the ground and they've been doing all sort of these donations for so many years and yet hasn't solved the world hunger. Well, Elon took the challenge but with a condition, I doubt that UN will take that condition then.

He didn't give any money, he has accepted the challenge and will give the amount if there's an accounting and liquidity record for that money.

But Elon has not given the money yet. He is still asking if they can show how $6B can resolve world hunger problem and he is more than willing to share some of the Tesla shares. We know that amount can't totally eradicate world hunger problem but at least he is willing to shell some of his wealth to address this problem. If more wealthy people will contribute their shares, I believe, a lot will benefit from it. And maybe, create jobs for these people rather than hand out those few bucks to each of them. Think of long-term solution not a band-aid solution.

What Elon Musk did by donating $6 billion should be appreciated, although I admit it does not solve the problem of the world's hungry population.
But what Elon Musk is doing might help alleviate the problem of a population that is experiencing hunger, and also don't underestimate the effect
that occurs, there could be other rich people who donate money because they see what Elon Musk has done. It is not as easy as turning the palm of
the hand to solve the problem of hunger in the world. But at least Elon Musk is moving to help than other people who can only comment without
doing anything. Even though I don't like Elon Musk, I have to commend what Elon Musk has done. It's true that helping hungry people is not enough
to give them money, but giving them the skills and motivation to make money is much more helpful. Therefore, the problem of hunger in the world is
quite complicated, many parties must be involved to solve it.

True the fraction might not solve the world's hungry population but a single man (musk) donating $6 billion from selling his Tesla shares indicates a heart for humanity. Only if we can afford more selfless individuals like him we might end up conquering more and feeding even greater population but trust me this would go a long way to reducing the population from 811 billion

Most likely they are talking about momentarily solving the issue, after all while 6 billion is a lot of money for I think all of us, when it comes to feeding so much people those funds are going to get depleted fast, if Elon actually goes through this he will gain the respect he lost from me when he began to try to manipulate this market, but we must understand that a world problem like famine is not something that easy to solve that you can just throw money at it and solve it, because if that was the case then the issue would have been solved long time ago as governments have been throwing money at it for a long time and the problem is still there.

No, it takes much less. Enough to buy a few billion condoms. It does not matter how much you invest in agriculture, clean water, means of production or infrastructure - in the end, there is a limit to the number of people any system may support and the reason for hunger is not as much too little food as it is too much people.

It is a cultural issue I think, many people associate having many children to wealth and prosperity or they are used to loosing quite a few before they are old and, on top, do not have the means or the education to plan their family size. Once that happens, we can start talking about giving aid in the form of food.


Teach a man to wear a condom and he will not need to fish that much.

Even if the intentions are good, in the context of distributing funds, it will be very hampered because there are definitely bad people who take advantage of this for their own benefit.
and the concept of transparency is currently not clear what it will look like.
I hope this will be done well even though it can't solve the world hunger case but it will be very useful for those in need.
at least this will lighten their load a bit even if it does have a slight impact

Right, Elon made this as the requirement wasnt him. Pretty sure that this is going to be hard and even if somehow this transparent system is completed then it might take years before it is fully operational. I kinda feel that in the end, Elon is not gonna donate his money because this transparent system cant be created in a whole corrupted governmental system


Is this number included the distribution fee needed to distribute all those 'foods' worldwide? The number could be way higher though


Instead of doing this, the 'elites' decided to create a special trip for people to go to space and trying to colonize Mars. This is meant for sarcasm lol

World hunger is generally not a problem of lack of resources, it's a problem of delivering those resources. Hunger these days happens in heavily corrupt failed states, warzones, totalitarian countries like North Korea - all those places where you can't just come and hand out food freely even if you had unlimited resources.

So I found these comments about Elon Musk's net worth extremely dishonest, especially when they come from a person who is supposed to be an expert on world hunger.

$6 billion is indeed quite a large amount of money but on the other hand there are very many people who are affected by hunger, maybe even that number is not enough to make hunger overcome.
on the other hand I really appreciate what Elon has done.
this is a very nice thing a billionaire does.
and now they must be able to create a system that is transparent in distributing the assistance, because of course there are some people who will abuse this.

Its his money then let him be because if this is just 2% of his total wealth then it wouldnt really be that a big issue if he donate 6B for this global problem but somehow this amount would really be a great help but doesnt mean that this would totally solve out this problem that we are facing through ages.
As popular bloats out then expect for this problem to get even more worst but at least this is really a good move made by Elon, dont know if theres
some agenda behind but this still a good deed and its not a small amount to donate if you do ask me.

Why not musk give money to those who can't afford to buy food everyday for starting their own store even if it's small for them to earn money from time to time?. This is the same as what jawhead999 said about teach a man to fish than give a man fish but the difference is that musk will give money to let them have small store. Other than that, I don't have anything else to say. This problem is quite a long problem to solve.

Haven't "we" tried that for the past half century already? I'm pretty sure it's not going to change it, and there will still be hunger 50 years from now.

You mean Elon Musk using 2% of his net worth for marketing? You know you can donate anonymously.
Anyway, we can't solve world hunger with charity. Better use the money to research a pill (or whatever) that can suffice human nutrition and make them full for a day.
Or create mega farms and employ locals.