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Quote from: danadc on July 08, 2023, 05:56:08 PM

Quote from: Hamphser on July 08, 2023, 04:48:52 PM

Quote from: South Park on July 08, 2023, 04:15:00 PM

Quote from: Bushdark on June 30, 2023, 02:53:49 PM

Everyone of us have a different perspective about KYC and we need to understand that there are some gamblers that see nothing wrong with KYC when gambling on a casino. KYC is not something we need to agitate on because even though we keep arguing about it, there are people that would always support the need for KYC on every casinos maybe for the reason of money laundry and scam attempt.
I really frown at KYC but what can we do if the casinos we are using start asking for KYC for us to gamble or use there casino.

The issue is that even if some gamblers out there can recognize that KYC is necessary, at the same time we see that some casinos abuse those policies, as they ask for every single gambler to identify themselves even when they just made a deposit of a few dollars and they make it incredibly hard for a person which made a big win to get their withdrawal, and in that case then we can see those casinos are pushing for those policies not to protect themselves from scammers and other criminals, but to not pay you at all.

When they would really be tending to abuse their rights and power then there's nothing much that we can do and this is why if ever we do win up big and they have decided to have that KYC then we do leave no choice

because the main thing that we do have in mind is on how we would really be able to pull out those winnings. In speaking about going bit far in gambling and betting then it would really be totally situational because not
all people would really be that having the same control of their emotions and their intents on their minds on which it could neither pushing them to play more or would completely stop just because
their common sense and awareness tells them that they are really that out of their limits?

It would really be just according into their decision making and self control towards gambling.If you arent that good enough on controlling your mindset and emotion then you would definitely
be ending up on that kind of addiction like disaster which would really be having that huge toll in overall finances you do have.

I have learned that common sense in some people is not the same as that of other people, for me some things are out of the ordinary and I have seen that people in casinos go beyond those borders that I have for gambling and they do well, but unlike those people who play with much more money, and I can't do it that way , because spending a Salary in the casino isn't just me, and I'm sure that if I did something like that, I would lose, I don't see it well, because my abilities economics are not that high, and if I assume it, how could I survive so the common sense here in the players tends to be very different.

It is not only about common sense but more likely the responsibilities they have in real life. The more you keep depositing the higher turnover you will get on the casino and the higher turnover leads to feed house edge which will melt the whole balance faster than the blink of an eye with adding greed factor. Emotional control is necessary to avoid such troubles and not everyone has the same mental health as a gambler. Once you deposit your monthly salary in the casino, it will turn out to be a habit in the long run and you will regret such habits one day after losing all and nothing left behind.

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Quote from: Hamphser on July 08, 2023, 04:48:52 PM

Quote from: South Park on July 08, 2023, 04:15:00 PM

Quote from: Bushdark on June 30, 2023, 02:53:49 PM

Everyone of us have a different perspective about KYC and we need to understand that there are some gamblers that see nothing wrong with KYC when gambling on a casino. KYC is not something we need to agitate on because even though we keep arguing about it, there are people that would always support the need for KYC on every casinos maybe for the reason of money laundry and scam attempt.
I really frown at KYC but what can we do if the casinos we are using start asking for KYC for us to gamble or use there casino.

The issue is that even if some gamblers out there can recognize that KYC is necessary, at the same time we see that some casinos abuse those policies, as they ask for every single gambler to identify themselves even when they just made a deposit of a few dollars and they make it incredibly hard for a person which made a big win to get their withdrawal, and in that case then we can see those casinos are pushing for those policies not to protect themselves from scammers and other criminals, but to not pay you at all.

When they would really be tending to abuse their rights and power then there's nothing much that we can do and this is why if ever we do win up big and they have decided to have that KYC then we do leave no choice

because the main thing that we do have in mind is on how we would really be able to pull out those winnings. In speaking about going bit far in gambling and betting then it would really be totally situational because not
all people would really be that having the same control of their emotions and their intents on their minds on which it could neither pushing them to play more or would completely stop just because
their common sense and awareness tells them that they are really that out of their limits?

It would really be just according into their decision making and self control towards gambling.If you arent that good enough on controlling your mindset and emotion then you would definitely
be ending up on that kind of addiction like disaster which would really be having that huge toll in overall finances you do have.

I have learned that common sense in some people is not the same as that of other people, for me some things are out of the ordinary and I have seen that people in casinos go beyond those borders that I have for gambling and they do well, but unlike those people who play with much more money, and I can't do it that way , because spending a Salary in the casino isn't just me, and I'm sure that if I did something like that, I would lose, I don't see it well, because my abilities economics are not that high, and if I assume it, how could I survive so the common sense here in the players tends to be very different.

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Quote from: South Park on July 08, 2023, 04:15:00 PM

Quote from: Bushdark on June 30, 2023, 02:53:49 PM

Everyone of us have a different perspective about KYC and we need to understand that there are some gamblers that see nothing wrong with KYC when gambling on a casino. KYC is not something we need to agitate on because even though we keep arguing about it, there are people that would always support the need for KYC on every casinos maybe for the reason of money laundry and scam attempt.
I really frown at KYC but what can we do if the casinos we are using start asking for KYC for us to gamble or use there casino.

The issue is that even if some gamblers out there can recognize that KYC is necessary, at the same time we see that some casinos abuse those policies, as they ask for every single gambler to identify themselves even when they just made a deposit of a few dollars and they make it incredibly hard for a person which made a big win to get their withdrawal, and in that case then we can see those casinos are pushing for those policies not to protect themselves from scammers and other criminals, but to not pay you at all.

When they would really be tending to abuse their rights and power then there's nothing much that we can do and this is why if ever we do win up big and they have decided to have that KYC then we do leave no choice

because the main thing that we do have in mind is on how we would really be able to pull out those winnings. In speaking about going bit far in gambling and betting then it would really be totally situational because not
all people would really be that having the same control of their emotions and their intents on their minds on which it could neither pushing them to play more or would completely stop just because
their common sense and awareness tells them that they are really that out of their limits?

It would really be just according into their decision making and self control towards gambling.If you arent that good enough on controlling your mindset and emotion then you would definitely
be ending up on that kind of addiction like disaster which would really be having that huge toll in overall finances you do have.

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Quote from: Bushdark on June 30, 2023, 02:53:49 PM

Everyone of us have a different perspective about KYC and we need to understand that there are some gamblers that see nothing wrong with KYC when gambling on a casino. KYC is not something we need to agitate on because even though we keep arguing about it, there are people that would always support the need for KYC on every casinos maybe for the reason of money laundry and scam attempt.
I really frown at KYC but what can we do if the casinos we are using start asking for KYC for us to gamble or use there casino.

The issue is that even if some gamblers out there can recognize that KYC is necessary, at the same time we see that some casinos abuse those policies, as they ask for every single gambler to identify themselves even when they just made a deposit of a few dollars and they make it incredibly hard for a person which made a big win to get their withdrawal, and in that case then we can see those casinos are pushing for those policies not to protect themselves from scammers and other criminals, but to not pay you at all.

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Quote from: Bushdark on June 30, 2023, 02:53:49 PM

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Quote from: Unsoldier on June 30, 2023, 02:16:36 PM

Gamblers are afraid that their personal information will become known to their relatives and everyone will know that they are losing money gambling.

Well for my view on KYC that you raised, I don't think that gamblers who dislike it are doing so because they don't wish their friends or relatives to know about their losses or profit. I think majority of it could be because the cryptocurrency system should be decentralised and everything about it encrypted. For example if playing with bitcoin as a decentralised cryptocurrency, while disclosing the identify behind it. That is the point and I think KYC goes against this principle of decentralisation which is the cardinal principle of cryptocurrency.

Everyone of us have a different perspective about KYC and we need to understand that there are some gamblers that see nothing wrong with KYC when gambling on a casino. KYC is not something we need to agitate on because even though we keep arguing about it, there are people that would always support the need for KYC on every casinos maybe for the reason of money laundry and scam attempt.
I really frown at KYC but what can we do if the casinos we are using start asking for KYC for us to gamble or use there casino.

You're right! KYC is considered a "necessary evil" by some and a "unwarranted intrusion" by others. But can't we see the good side? The "pros" are preventing fraud, scams, and money laundering. KYC also makes casinos safer, which is reason to celebrate. Yes, the "KYC hurdle" can be difficult, especially when you want to wager. But picture a world without KYC for casinos. Now that's scary... Yes, right? Let's be passionate: Embrace KYC, the "necessary good". Play safely, gamble responsibly, and enjoy the excitement. Sounds like a win-win.

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Quote from: Gozie51 on June 30, 2023, 02:38:39 PM

Quote from: Unsoldier on June 30, 2023, 02:16:36 PM

Gamblers are afraid that their personal information will become known to their relatives and everyone will know that they are losing money gambling.

Well for my view on KYC that you raised, I don't think that gamblers who dislike it are doing so because they don't wish their friends or relatives to know about their losses or profit. I think majority of it could be because the cryptocurrency system should be decentralised and everything about it encrypted. For example if playing with bitcoin as a decentralised cryptocurrency, while disclosing the identify behind it. That is the point and I think KYC goes against this principle of decentralisation which is the cardinal principle of cryptocurrency.

Everyone of us have a different perspective about KYC and we need to understand that there are some gamblers that see nothing wrong with KYC when gambling on a casino. KYC is not something we need to agitate on because even though we keep arguing about it, there are people that would always support the need for KYC on every casinos maybe for the reason of money laundry and scam attempt.
I really frown at KYC but what can we do if the casinos we are using start asking for KYC for us to gamble or use there casino.

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Quote from: Unsoldier on June 30, 2023, 02:16:36 PM

Gamblers are afraid that their personal information will become known to their relatives and everyone will know that they are losing money gambling.

Well for my view on KYC that you raised, I don't think that gamblers who dislike it are doing so because they don't wish their friends or relatives to know about their losses or profit. I think majority of it could be because the cryptocurrency system should be decentralised and everything about it encrypted. For example if playing with bitcoin as a decentralised cryptocurrency, while disclosing the identify behind it. That is the point and I think KYC goes against this principle of decentralisation which is the cardinal principle of cryptocurrency.

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Quote from: Alisha-k on June 27, 2023, 02:11:56 AM

People often underrate the power of being in perpetual lose, you can set into depression without you even knowing it, I speak out of what I've seen, not what I've heard..

A lot of people ignore their mental health for the bag and it's not wise, take a break when necessary, speak to people about your journey so far, help may come from there, discipline your expenses and, guard the amount you spend on gambling.

Exactly, but people often tend to be hesitant to discuss their losses with others because that makes them feel that those who they discuss it with might not take their matter seriously and might say things that are not very pleasing to them, and we know it happens a lot of times unless the person you are discussing it with is someone who is a close on and who actually cares for you and will only give you advice that is beneficial for you.
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Some players believe that their financial affairs are private and personal. They don’t want to discuss their losses or financial problems with other people. I think this is why there is so much discussion about KYC in the Gambling section. Gamblers are afraid that their personal information will become known to their relatives and everyone will know that they are losing money gambling.

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Quote from: Alisha-k on June 27, 2023, 02:11:56 AM

People often underrate the power of being in perpetual lose, you can set into depression without you even knowing it, I speak out of what I've seen, not what I've heard..

A lot of people ignore their mental health for the bag and it's not wise, take a break when necessary, speak to people about your journey so far, help may come from there, discipline your expenses and, guard the amount you spend on gambling.

Exactly, but people often tend to be hesitant to discuss their losses with others because that makes them feel that those who they discuss it with might not take their matter seriously and might say things that are not very pleasing to them, and we know it happens a lot of times unless the person you are discussing it with is someone who is a close on and who actually cares for you and will only give you advice that is beneficial for you.

As you said, taking a break can also make a lot of difference, even if someone doesn't have anyone to talk to or spend time with, they can simply just stop gambling and do something else for some time that will keep them engaged and they won't keep thinking of the losses constantly.

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Quote from: dewez on June 01, 2023, 08:39:40 PM

i'm saying thats one of the draw backs to crypto casino sites. people with gambling addictions have fewer tools to prevent them from gambling. say i live in NV, and I add my self to a block list. i can't make a deposit at any state licensed casino website. if i make an account, once i add my bank or cc to make a deposit i will be blocked. yet, if i goto roobet i can make a btc deposit and be playing.. and there is no way to associate a btc address to a person- i mean, you can, but they will just use a different one.

Well, but remember that you can also buy Bitcoin or any cryptocurrency with your credit card and put it in your wallet, then you register and that's it, you can play, you can also buy in the OTC market, which is a great tool. , and many times in some countries they take into consideration what you buy with your credit card, that is, if they see that you buy crypto they put a very special tax on you all the time, they are things that should be avoided at all costs, I think that the things that are fun and games should not be prohibited to anyone, everyone has a responsibility and should have a lot with the things that are presented, the problem of addiction is something serious, but deep down it is known that it is irresponsible of the person .

I say this from my point of view that each person when they are 18 years old is responsible for their actions and I could say that by having responsibility for some things they should also manage their ways of getting and spending money well, obviously leaving or disposing of the money Just going to a casino is the worst idea there can be, I don't recommend it.

Your view highlights a vital point: the autonomy of adults, particularly in finance and hobbies like gambling. Sure, ideally, adults should be able to handle their funds and leisure pursuits. However, remember, not all possess equal self-control or financial skills, leading to problems like addiction.

The idea of buying cryptocurrencies with a credit card for gambling is workable but risky. Especially Bitcoin transactions suffer from high price volatility, escalating financial losses beyond gambling.

Also, the tax ramifications of buying cryptocurrencies can add complexity. Using cryptocurrencies might avoid these taxes, but we can't ignore the potential legal consequences, which differ across regions. While everyone should be accountable for their actions, they must also be legal and responsible.

Well we Can all say that the legal and inspection things of the countries are what we want most to avoid, and if, it may be that for some things like they are arriving and then over time they eat a certain tax for having used Crypto , and if you buy with a credit card that means that you Take you forever as a possible buyer buyer, and if for any reason they get to create a law against the Crypto will be involved in a special list where your status will check for everything Financial in banks, purchases and everything, which is why many defend privacy and anonymity.

For some people, these things are irrelinating, Because they do not know or ignore the dangers it can lead to, but there are others that if we realize that what we can lose is a lot , a Government that Gets very aware with the Crypto is something that will be Harmful for all.

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Quote from: Alisha-k on June 27, 2023, 02:11:56 AM

People often underrate the power of being in perpetual lose, you can set into depression without you even knowing it, I speak out of what I've seen, not what I've heard..

A lot of people ignore their mental health for the bag and it's not wise, take a break when necessary, speak to people about your journey so far, help may come from there, discipline your expenses and, guard the amount you spend on gambling.

People who have gambled very often or say every day they gamble will not follow other people's advice to take a break. They feel that they are fine and there is no problem with them even though they have slowly become addicted to gambling. When they can't realize that they have changed, they can get deeper into gambling and eventually have a severe gambling addiction.

Loss after loss will make them depressed and frustrated and probably affect their mental health. We have to prevent this so that we don't have to experience it. We must control ourselves so we don't go too far into gambling and discipline our spending.

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People often underrate the power of being in perpetual lose, you can set into depression without you even knowing it, I speak out of what I've seen, not what I've heard..

A lot of people ignore their mental health for the bag and it's not wise, take a break when necessary, speak to people about your journey so far, help may come from there, discipline your expenses and, guard the amount you spend on gambling.

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Quote from: paxmao on May 11, 2023, 07:03:57 PM

This is just the basics, but anyone should be aware of it:

Budget: set it BEFORE you start gambling and stick to it.
Have a break from time to time, it is important to let your brain stop and consider.
Avoid drugs / drink as much as possible, they will make you loose some control innevitably.
Seek help if you feel you are no longer in control. Make a phone call to a friend or go out and speak with someone.

Anything else anyone can think of? Like... read this post before gambling? Tongue

Have other hobbies be more active to lessen your gambling activities.
Set up a limit on how much or how long you could play, learn to quit when needed or when you reach your limit don't think about extending it just because you are winning or want to win back what you loss.
As much as possible hang out with friends who wouldn't consider or drive you into gambling.

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Quote from: Bitcoin_people on June 18, 2023, 09:28:43 AM

The advice I got to get rid of gambling was to stop myself from gambling after losing a bet. But when a gambler becomes completely addicted to gambling, he has to abstain for some time. Many people become emotional after gambling loss, in which case it is necessary to discuss with his friends or other people. But he can make a good decision within certain limits. So a gambler must be well advised when placing bets first. And after setting a budget he has to bet and if he bets according to that budget he won't lose much if he gambles.

Well, speaking of people feeling or being emotional after a gambling loss, I think thats normal with every gambler, or rather, most gamblers, it is true that we all advice gambler to carry out their gambling activities with a mind of having fun, but we all can not deny the fact that most of us still gamble with a mindset of making money, so for such a gambler, it's not uncommon to feel sober after losing, no one is ever happy losing money, but then, it's very important to not allow such experience be the determinant of how the rest of that day should be or go.

So a lose to gambling is one of those things we much learn to shake off as soon as possible, no matter the amount of money involved.

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Quote from: Bitcoin_people on June 18, 2023, 09:28:43 AM

The advice I got to get rid of gambling was to stop myself from gambling after losing a bet. But when a gambler becomes completely addicted to gambling, he has to abstain for some time. Many people become emotional after gambling loss, in which case it is necessary to discuss with his friends or other people. But he can make a good decision within certain limits. So a gambler must be well advised when placing bets first. And after setting a budget he has to bet and if he bets according to that budget he won't lose much if he gambles.

Only a gambler who is responsible and controlled can have a set budget for their gambling activities and will follow it, a gambler who is addicted might decide such a thing but they can barely be able to follow it because of the urge to gamble even more when the budget is already spent will never let them just leave the casino and come back later, their mind will compel them to deposit more and try and recover the money lost.

And in most cases, gamblers can't recover anything but instead, lose more money, and then they either leave more disappointed or deposit more if they have until the money runs out, they will still not feel calm but they won't have any other choice but to leave.

Addicted gamblers may say and think a great deal of stuff, but when they are gambling all of those things will be forgotten and they will care about only one thing, and that is to keep gambling at all costs, and in this case if they begin to lose money instead of simply accepting it and move on, they will deposit even more money on the casino until they finally run out of money, and then this process will start over and over again, and while it may seem like an unending cycle, at some point they will run out of money completely and lose all their belongings just to fuel their gambling addiction.

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Quote from: Bitcoin_people on June 18, 2023, 09:28:43 AM

The advice I got to get rid of gambling was to stop myself from gambling after losing a bet. But when a gambler becomes completely addicted to gambling, he has to abstain for some time. Many people become emotional after gambling loss, in which case it is necessary to discuss with his friends or other people. But he can make a good decision within certain limits. So a gambler must be well advised when placing bets first. And after setting a budget he has to bet and if he bets according to that budget he won't lose much if he gambles.

Only a gambler who is responsible and controlled can have a set budget for their gambling activities and will follow it, a gambler who is addicted might decide such a thing but they can barely be able to follow it because of the urge to gamble even more when the budget is already spent will never let them just leave the casino and come back later, their mind will compel them to deposit more and try and recover the money lost.

And in most cases, gamblers can't recover anything but instead, lose more money, and then they either leave more disappointed or deposit more if they have until the money runs out, they will still not feel calm but they won't have any other choice but to leave.

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Quote from: Docnaster on June 18, 2023, 02:24:09 PM

Quote from: paxmao on May 11, 2023, 07:03:57 PM

This is just the basics, but anyone should be aware of it:

Budget: set it BEFORE you start gambling and stick to it.
Have a break from time to time, it is important to let your brain stop and consider.
Avoid drugs / drink as much as possible, they will make you loose some control innevitably.
Seek help if you feel you are no longer in control. Make a phone call to a friend or go out and speak with someone.

Anything else anyone can think of? Like... read this post before gambling? Tongue

When I read this, I had to laugh because one thing came to my mind and that is;
If only someone is under drugs/alcohol influence, they will forget all your tips and do their worse.
The worse thing that can happen to anyone is to gambling under the influence of something.
Be it drug,
Alcohol,
Depression,
Emotional pressure,
Revenge retribution etc

I don't fully understand what you mean with "revenge retribution", but it makes me thing something like when you're not satisfied with your salary and want to get the difference you think is fair via gambling, or about being jealous of the winnings from another person, whether from a friend or some unknown influencer or shitposter who claims to have won a large amount of money, and want to get those earnings too because you deserve them the same or even more than the subject in question.

Please, don't forget to clarify what that concept means so I can understand it better, in case you didn't mean the meanings above (everyday you learn something new).

I guess it's a concept about revenge or a straight revenge on a casino? I googled it and I don't know how he made it as an example. The closest idea I can get from revenge retribution is revenge gambling where you are trying to get back the money that you had lost from the casino at all means by playing and defeating them.

It should be clarified because it's a new term for me actually and I find it hard to connect with gambling. But I'm sure it is bad for the gambler given that the examples shouldn't be done if you will do gambling.

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Quote from: Docnaster on June 18, 2023, 02:24:09 PM

Quote from: paxmao on May 11, 2023, 07:03:57 PM

This is just the basics, but anyone should be aware of it:

Budget: set it BEFORE you start gambling and stick to it.
Have a break from time to time, it is important to let your brain stop and consider.
Avoid drugs / drink as much as possible, they will make you loose some control innevitably.
Seek help if you feel you are no longer in control. Make a phone call to a friend or go out and speak with someone.

Anything else anyone can think of? Like... read this post before gambling? Tongue

When I read this, I had to laugh because one thing came to my mind and that is;
If only someone is under drugs/alcohol influence, they will forget all your tips and do their worse.
The worse thing that can happen to anyone is to gambling under the influence of something.
Be it drug,
Alcohol,
Depression,
Emotional pressure,
Revenge retribution etc

I don't fully understand what you mean with "revenge retribution", but it makes me thing something like when you're not satisfied with your salary and want to get the difference you think is fair via gambling, or about being jealous of the winnings from another person, whether from a friend or some unknown influencer or shitposter who claims to have won a large amount of money, and want to get those earnings too because you deserve them the same or even more than the subject in question.

Please, don't forget to clarify what that concept means so I can understand it better, in case you didn't mean the meanings above (everyday you learn something new).

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I feel like keeping your cool is one of the most important things, but on the other hand it takes a lot of effort. The fact is people who manage to do it are the ones who keep successfully gambling.

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Quote from: Jody.Drummer on June 19, 2023, 05:38:24 AM

but at least we don't increase the proportion in gambling or depositing which makes it a differentiator because we know the limits.

yes, when we understand the limits of what we are capable of. indirectly we have minimized the risk of losses that could continue to occur.
this is quite difficult to suppress for those who are already heavily addicted to gambling. usually, those who are very focused on one game. because I have friends who play online card gambling. and he always plays it never anything else. he gambles almost every day, I don't know where the money he gets from but he always gets money for deposit.

Actually there are many people like that, he gambles every day without doing any other work and logically we would definitely question where he gets the money because seeing his daily life he doesn't seem to be working or doing something that will make money later. But I wouldn't think negatively about it, because maybe he has a job that we don't know about. But the problem is when a person does things that justify any means to fulfill his need to gamble, such as making loans or other things that will result in him losing more than what he did while gambling.

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