Topic: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk - page 2. (Read 1439 times)

can't agree more with this, the fact that so many billionaire are fearmongering about AI, while so far the only thing AI has done is helping automating the most boring job out there in existence, people should know that with the presence of AI helping in various fields we as humanity might boosts our production of things by few folds imagine a world without hunger a world where the land get maximally utilized where it might even produce ten times of what we're producing in various sector then that'd be awesome and I can't imagine such scenario without the presence of AI honestly.
these billionaire fear mongery are funnily enough would be the one that adopt such efficiency of replacing workforce with robots the first so I can guess that there's some hypocrisy about the critics in regards of AI here.

I am hoping for positive developments and intentions all the time, but nuclear weapons are one of the best examples how a source of energy can be used for good and for evil. This is not to discuss whether nuclear energy or power plants are good, I am just saying that if it is used for generating energy only, the intention is to make things easier for everyone (not taking into account possible consequences that way of generating energy may have). But nuclear power can also be used for bombs. Whereas with knives we all know we can cut a piece of meat, we can also cut some human throats, but knives won't drive humanity into the ground. Nuclear bombs could, but it needs human beings to decide whether to launch them or not and that will never change.

But if AI advances beyond the human brain capacity while human beings naively keep believing that this is an unrealistic or even impossible scenario, there would be no turning back. I think that is what Musk is trying to say.

Your hope that everything will be used for good must be appreciated, but if anything is unlikely to become true ever, it is what you are hoping for. Things that are incredibly powerful to support human beings, but also incredibly powerful to destroy human beings, will always be used both ways.

I am not sure if it was Musk, but someone said that AI is more comparable to a virus. It will never be possible to eradicate it 100% once it has been released and spread among the population. But AI could get to a point where it is able to independently reinforce learning curves and feed itself with data that is no garbage because it will be good enough to identify supportive data that fosters its learning from garbage data.

Technological advancement is something which is inevitable, whether AI would be applied into these kind of areas then it could really be integrated as long it could be possible. If there's one who could be able to do so then expect that the others would really be also doing such thing on which it would really be just that very normal that they would be having that kind of approach or countermeasures. Doesnt matter if they would really be using something like AI as long it would really be something beneficial and relevant or make things way more easier and accessible then expect those kind of integrations and applications.
Some are really just that too scared or worrying on how much this world would really be able to withstand if conflicts would comes worst on every nation or country.

Lets just hope that these applications  wouldnt really be that making things getting more worst. Well, it is really just that too much of thinking about those probabilities but just like as i said
that this kind of advancement would really be that inevitable. There would really be those huge changes when it comes to this matter but in speaking about AI will put and end to work
for all people or human beings then this is something that a false thing, there are still jobs or positions which human beings are really that superior.

You can look at it that way, and be carried by the fearmongering tech giants and the billionaires who would rather use us as stepping stools than employ a more ethical and cost-effective approach at earning money, or you can see how this could pan out in the long run, and realize that if every essential work is replaced by AI, governments around the world will have no choice but to actually implement the universal basic income law, and therefore we'll get paid to just exist. Which means more ways for us to really explore what we want, and if things go well, and they often go well in the grand scheme of things, we're going to achieve perfect harmony with tech and biology, which could literally overturn the dire situation we're in right now.

I don't understand Elon Musk. On the one hand, he warns people that if artificial intelligence is not regulated, it can get out of control and become a clear threat to the existence of all humanity. Here he is on the contrary, his words are given that if AI is not regulated, then it can become so useful that it can replace male professions.
AI can be useful in many areas, especially in the advancement of science. But at the same time, robots with AI will not be able to completely replace the participation of people, and control and certain restrictions on their activities are needed in any case. AI should not be entrusted with those areas of activity where it can cause global harm to humanity.

The real problem he is describing is meant differently I think. When someone develops nuclear bombs secretly, another nation can do that as well. Take Iran as an example and there are estimations that they will have a nuclear bomb in 18 - 24 months. I can't verify these assumptions, but let's assume they are true. Then Iran would have a nuclear bomb, but that doesn't lead necessarily to the end of the world because other nations also have the nuclear bomb, which counters the threat. Of course, if this gets out of control a nuclear war would destroy planet earth, but everyone can make a decision whether to push the red button or not.

But if one nation secretly advances AI controlled "somethings" into autonomous, self-thinking and decision-making soldiers, planners, you name it, and they release this AI controlled something and then someone else tries to counter also with AI controlled "somethings", the people responsible for releasing these things may not have been able to grasp and anticipate the consequences, but by then there would be no turning back as AI may outcompete human beings in all regards. It is not only a slippery slope like with nuclear bombs, because there is always someone who can decide to not push the red button and stop the slippery slope. But AI may get to a point where it gets beyond the threshold that it requires to be fed with data externally provided by human beings, but instead they understand how to get better by sourcing their own data. This is where nobody can anymore decide to not push a button and stop the slippery slope.

I tried to write down my thought process here in a concise way and I would really appreciate some feedback on my post because I think this is a really interesting discussion we can have here. I am not claiming I am right, please take my post here just as some food for thought.

That could be way harder than it sounds. First of all, it won't be easy to clearly define what "AI" actually is and then we'd need to figure out where exactly the line should be drawn, i.e. what use of AI to allow and what to ban.
On top of all that, you have global superpowers competing for global dominance. If one country decides that using AI can help them get advantage over others, they will not hesitate to use it.

AI is dangerous as alone musk say before. On a interview alone musk say one day I will capture all the market and people suffer from unemployment problem. And see this is happening in many sector AI already capture company doing there work by AI. Many people lost their work because company replace they are work by AI. Soon all work those people do manually AI will do it for company. If I huge problem if AI capture all market then there is a huge problem of unemployment.

So when AI is done doing human jobs, what will happen to humans when this happens, you say? Does that mean that people don't need to work anymore? How can people survive when things like this are happening all over the world?

Is money still needed in times like these? because AI robots will do everything that humans do, right? It's still speculation, right? So, it might not happen, right?

IF you guys play watch dogs or watch some scifi movie that have AI in it I think all of it is actully can be possible in near future maybe only need 1 decade to replace almost anything, even before AI not crazy as now manufacturer using robot hand to make efficiency even tho the price is expensive at the beginning.

Elon Musk itself already said AI is far more dangerous than nuke. So we do need to regulate this AI in my opinion

honestly it created better opportunity for those that wants to start out their own business utilizing AI to decrease the cost and increase efficiency, more productive for humanity while less work since all the work is allocated to the AI so that we can do other things. but many people are too fixated with disadvantage of AI meanwhile whether there will be advantage or disadvantage it entirely depends on the one that utilizes the technology.
just imagine agriculture using AI where you just own lands and get all things done related with agriculture by AI that would be massive since that might means more productivity of food for the whole world if taken advantage properly and regulated properly.
I think the future is bright with AI, some people might don't have good idea about AI but I can see some revolutionary technology in front of my eyes right now.

Automation helped people meet the needs as the population have increased and the demands were met. If we haven't innovated automation now things could've been different with everything costing high and the demand for products will be at the top. Whenever something new reach the market, people find it different and soon they get adopted to it. Earlier automation was stated to end the work force, but the reality it created more opportunity in different ways. As majority of the users said it ease the work and assist people to do their tasks. In some sector little job cuts could happen, which can't be denied and for the same reason we can't take it a common statement.

The evolution of technology always eased the workforce that is why we can see a manufacturing plant that produces a product only need people for supervision and basic things but if there is a tool then the companies will replace them with that tool for sure but we can say 100% to be replaced but at worst 90% of jobs will become obsolete if AI evolved to a level that can make decisions on its own and try to progress further from its mistake.

I don't support the argument that AI will put an end to work, there will always be a need and gap to be filled and people will be there to provide solutions and fill these gaps. The concern I have is that AI will make people less intelligence, it is as if we are entering into singularity and intelligence is becoming centralised, Ai can do almost anything now, and we have not start utilizing it to its full potential, this is a dangerous tool and if it finds it way into the hands of a bad leader then humanity may suffer greatly.

I wish you were right, but this nothing more than a baseless optimism and the belief that since the automation worked well in the past, it will always be the same. But there's no magical element that guarantees there will always be demand for human labour (big enough to engage most of the human population).
From a pragmatic and materialistic point of view - people are nothing but biological robots, so if we can build better robots that can do the same if not better work and are more efficient and reliable, less energy consuming etc, then there's no need for human labour.

I don't quite get your last point regarding chess. Are you of the impression that the computer beat the chess champion only once and is no longer able to do that? Because that's bot true. You have publicly available chess playing software that is better than the best of human players.

Many ppl will lose jobs it's guaranteed it's going to happen or else AI wouldn't have been developed. Tasks which humans can't do if they're competing with AI are going to be lost so companies save money. Eventually AI's going to take over most jobs it's something which won't be stopped now because they've invested so much money in AI.

If something like this actually happens or is likely to happen, many people will lose their jobs. Elon Musk is a big businessman and he probably uses AI technology more than humans in his company. It is certain that people will lose their jobs when AI technology starts to be fully used in various companies but AI technology cannot completely consume human jobs. There are many tasks in the world that are usually not possible to do with this AI technology. Tasks that cannot be done with AI technology must be done manually. If there comes a time in the world when the use of AI technology has increased more than humans in human work, then people may think of alternatives to earn money. I always believe that this AI technology is created by man so man made technology can never take away the complete work of man.

I don't think everything can be replaced by AI, or in the big scope if all work can be done by AI, then humans are no longer needed there?
I mean the role of humans is no longer needed if AI can handle everything.
Will humans be wiped out by AI if that's the case?
of course not, humans will always have a place here, because humans created AI.
so we don't need to worry too much in my opinion.

You've contradicted yourself. Humans can't outrank everything a computer can do. It doesn't matter if it's a grand master or newbie because if you're putting a bet down on chess you're going to say the computer's going to win.

If it's robotics they're stronger than human. AI's going to cause problems for humans if it's allowed to become sentient.

i think AI quite literally is just a program that runs in computer, many people have that wild imagination of AI overlord where it could literally penetrate any system and turn it into their army, i don't think thats possible, many AI companies always put restriction in their AI, they are programmed to be just an AI that gonna helps people, they aren't gaining sentience, its just a program with sets of predefined data with billion parameters that fully controlled by the companies, i just think that people are simply overestimating AI in this case, everyone could be having differing opinion but I think AI right now and in the future will never become a threat to human, but a threat to human job, because efficiency and we know by nature, efficiency always thrive. but then there'll be sets of new jobs waiting for us, we just need to adapt.