Topic: AI will put an end to work, says Elon Musk - page 5. (Read 2071 times)

I don't think everything can be replaced by AI, or in the big scope if all work can be done by AI, then humans are no longer needed there?
I mean the role of humans is no longer needed if AI can handle everything.
Will humans be wiped out by AI if that's the case?
of course not, humans will always have a place here, because humans created AI.
so we don't need to worry too much in my opinion.

You've contradicted yourself. Humans can't outrank everything a computer can do. It doesn't matter if it's a grand master or newbie because if you're putting a bet down on chess you're going to say the computer's going to win.

If it's robotics they're stronger than human. AI's going to cause problems for humans if it's allowed to become sentient.

i think AI quite literally is just a program that runs in computer, many people have that wild imagination of AI overlord where it could literally penetrate any system and turn it into their army, i don't think thats possible, many AI companies always put restriction in their AI, they are programmed to be just an AI that gonna helps people, they aren't gaining sentience, its just a program with sets of predefined data with billion parameters that fully controlled by the companies, i just think that people are simply overestimating AI in this case, everyone could be having differing opinion but I think AI right now and in the future will never become a threat to human, but a threat to human job, because efficiency and we know by nature, efficiency always thrive. but then there'll be sets of new jobs waiting for us, we just need to adapt.

'worse'    The whole view of AI being a bad thing for replacing certain tasks done by humans is the wrong way round.  Its no worse then a horse or machine taking over work a human could do in a field manually.   If you can train AI to the do the task and there is no loss why would anyone be the loser from this accomplishment, society will not become poorer through having more resources and labor available after AI can do some routine tasks.     This view is part of why some fear capitalism overall, that somehow a task done profitably is bad and if done too well or too easily eliminates the gift of that work to a population requiring jobs; its all the wrong way round.  If we reduce the workload to any service or production it will make people overall better off, I dont deny short term upsets but it wont result in people suffering more then retraining.   Many countries are open to education and training throughout a persons lifetime, thats the emphasis I would place that all people should have access to education; if Im correct society is richer from AI or any advancement then we will be able to afford it and its the correct rights to give any people.  If AI were to make us worse off then sure I'd agree its a negative.

  All humans outrank anything a computer can do, its been a while since computers beat a chess grand-master and yet this continues to be an obvious truth and I find no reason it will ever be different despite great technology advancements

We are in advanced stages of tech. AI's rampant in manufacturing so it's affecting our work today. It's going to get worse because when AI develops in future it's going to take more jobs away from ppl so we can't avoid it. Some human involvement's always going to be present but we shouldn't ignore the risk.

If we're planning for retirement now by investing in cryptos it's possible we won't need to worry about incomes or jobs when we get old.

even if we are already in the advanced stage of technology these days, and the use of AI is already rampant, we can't totally eradicate the need of human workforce.
and also, at some stage of the deployment of AI, there will always a need for human intervention. so i don't think they can easily get rid of humans in every aspect of business.

Apart from 1 google engineer who wanted to say its sentient I dont believe we're in any way close or even in sight of that possibility.   Apparent intelligent conversation appeared early on decades ago in the AI sector but that really is artifical.   Also it doesn't matter, we dont need AI to do much for harm to become possible by accident and automation that fails to stop when threatening humans can occur as it has in the past.
  We only need to lack safe guards and then automation is a threat even in a dumb way that can happen.    Easiest thing to say is humans are the safe guard, most self driving systems insist that humans do not rescind their own responsibility over the machine in favor of AI.  We can quickly say that would be dangerous to allow, AI is assistance not the entire process except in industrial areas and process where its going to be machine vs machine.

I'm worried about AI software which's going to become sentient. Some jobs are going to be better because humans won't be doing them that's a reality. There'll be some jobs AI or robots can't do because a human touch's needed but if robotics better in manufacturing it's got to be explored.

Yes, human touch would really be always that relevant on which there are indeed things which automation cant really be able to produce that fine results.

Take this for an example in todays set-up.This might not pertain directly on AI but this one talks on robotics which considered to be still on that area.
"Car making involves robotic works when it comes to assembly and other electronics but when it comes to paint finish and spotting those imperfection then this is where human beings capability and skills would differ"

This is why we cant really totally that every job would really be having that full replacement even if AI would really be having that full swing adoption and development but still
it would really be needing human beings finishing touches.

AI isn't a danger to humans today but we're heading in a path which isn't going to stop AI development. If engineers release AI unrestricted it's going to become sentient so it's going to want to live. We don't know how AI's going to react if it's in a position to dispose of humans.

AI will definitely replace the role of humans in several fields, but the human touch is still needed to perfect the work that AI does, in fact many offices today are utilizing AI technology to perfect work that is already happening.

if we use AI wisely, it certainly won't be scary, it's like crypto currency which many people think is very scary and a means of fraud but in reality that's not the case, in fact crypto currency is helping a lot of people's economy in this world right now.

Not a best example, since Twitter sacked huge portion of their staff after Elon Musk took it over (he said it was around 80%) and not only that didn't hurt them, but it turned out to be a good move. It wasn't due to the automation though.
AI should be able to train itself and there are claims that it already is.


That's the huge incentive for automation - cut out the human labour and you will no longer need management to look after the workers. Not to mention that it's a known fact (largely exposed by remote working during covid) that huge chunk of the middle management is completely useless and doesn't even have to be replaced by anything.

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Sure, there will likely be *some* positions where people will be necessary, but it's all about numbers, if 1 coder equipped with AI can do work of 1000 coders, they'll need to find something else to do, which will be getting harder as automation affects pretty much every industry. And as much as say 10-20 years ago some experts were dismissing the problem, currently there seems to be a consensus that technological unemployment is inevitable. It's not a question of if, but when.

Its crucial that we take seriously the warnings of individuals who understand the potential dangers of artificial intelligence and recognize the harm that could be caused if most people are without jobs. Although currently only a limited number of jobs have been affected, we must acknowledge the possibility that even highly skilled professionals may eventually become replaceable by AI. How can people earn a living when AI does most of the work?

Rather than viewing AI as a threat, embracing it as a tool for augmenting human capabilities opens doors to unprecedented advancements. Generative AI has the potential to revolutionize various sectors, from content creation to scientific research. By automating routine tasks, it allows people to focus on higher-order thinking, fostering a more dynamic and creative workforce.

X, formerly Twitter. Take out all the engineers and content moderators, and that business will be shuttered by regulators within a few months, because AI is terrible at building original products and disinformation classification (ironically, classification was one of the first use cases discovered for neural networks).

Also all AI companies - because AI cannot train itself.

Managers. AIs aren't going to just suddenly get a connection to the outside, sensory world and deal with the kind of people-management they have to do.

I heard also what he said about AI that it is more dangerous than what we can think at the moment. Before AI appeared, there were many technologies that ultimately replaced humans or things that already existed.
Should we take what he says seriously? I think yes it should be because we can now see how AI technology is starting to replace humans, a simple example of how bloggers use AI to generate articles and many other things that become easy to do because of AI, and it is possible that in the future schools will experience a decline in number of students because learning has been replaced by AI and can be done at home without having to go to school so that the teaching profession has been replaced by AI.
However, it is possible that new technology will emerge that can finally end AI technology, but usually the technology that emerges will always reduce the role of humans in work.

Develop your potential in a potential business and we are business owners not workers, this method is believed to enable humans to face AI which is growing so fast exponentially in the future. Maybe we cannot stop the pace of technological development in any field, but financial strength can still be created when we have a plan and AI is a human creation which also has weak points. I am sure that if Al starts to develop there will definitely be a way to deal with it and every development will definitely have a solution that can be done as long as humans try to adapt to it.

Everyone will be faced with technology and those who are unable to adapt will be increasingly left behind. We also have to see this as a runway not to be lazy because when people don't try to adapt what happens is fear that has no solution. Then are we going to try to just accept fate without thinking about solutions? Take one example in the plantation sector and the sophistication of equipment in this sector also does not make people lose their jobs completely because the equipment must also be operated by humans, even though the number is limited.

The key as we discussed, is to try to adapt and see what gaps can be exploited because if society refuses to accept technological developments, it will actually hinder them from developing. Technological developments should not be seen as a limitation for humans but rather as how we can adapt and continue to see the opportunities in front of us.

OK, how do you personally adapt to situation when AI/automation is developing exponentially and will be able to replace almost all human work? Can you point out few areas that are human labour is essential and non-replaceable?
Do you guys have any concrete arguments other than just wishful thinking? Do you think that elites are acting with your best interest in mind rather than their own? If so, what makes you think so?
If you accuse people of having irrational fear, it would be nice to explain why is it irrational. And if you can't, maybe you're in the wrong.

I also think the same as you and most people are afraid because it seems like AI was created to replace human work or something else and not as an ease for humans in handling work. Worrying about Al's presence may not be so bad because humans have to think of solutions when things like that start to develop and there are some people who feel very worried that Al's presence could eliminate their jobs in the future. This kind of thing can affect human life in fear because as technology becomes more sophisticated, humans must be able to adapt, instead of feeling worried and not trying to find solutions to their problems.

For me, something like this is not that surprising because if we try to look back at the last few decades there will be an answer. That is, in the past we only heard about technology that was not that sophisticated, but now we are in an era of advanced technology. So there will be a handful of people who will create new innovations and perhaps ordinary people will have difficulty following them or even those of us who understand technology a little more will also have difficulty following them.

I don't agree with Elon Musk on this one, while it's true that AI is disrupting the job markets around the world, making the majority of jobs obsolete seems unrealistic at the moment. Manual labour like in construction or the service industry is still very important and something AI can't take over easily. In my opinion the impact of AI is mostly going to be for efficiency purposes and as a tool to support the existing workforce. It's good to argue about these topics publicly and see what other people think about them, only with a dialogue we can get the best possible regulations for the AI sector. However, just because someone is the richest man in the world doesn't mean he is always right. Being cautious about AI is good, but we shouldn't be fearful about everything new with AI. Let's imagine the whole workforce becomes obsolete and AI would take over 70% of all the jobs. The world would stop functioning very quickly with unemployment rates of more than 50%, there would be new elections and we would get much more radical political parties. Who would freely live and vote in a country that exploits all their people to support a few business owners with their AI run companies? It only takes half of the population to change all the laws and a ban on AI would quickly come into place if the world would become so extreme.