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Quote from: Biznesmen on November 10, 2023, 05:38:32 AM

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During an uncommon interview conducted by UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, the tech billionaire Elon Musk predicted that if AI is not regulated, there will be a time when no job will be needed. This means that AI tools would take over the entire work of men making paid jobs become reductant. He even claimed that humanoid robots might be a perfect friend for one of his sons who is having difficulty in having friends. I have always believed that regardless of how sophisticated these AI tools become, they will never replace humans. But hearing this prediction for an individual who has a full understanding of the AI sector is frightening. Elon Musk owns an AI company, xAI, that is competing with big AI firms like OpenAI, Google and Anthropic.

These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?

I thought the same too. AI has definitely had a big impact on IT professionals, and there are no longer any doubts regarding this. And we are expecting this soon too. I cannot say it's possible to build a positive or negative impact, but I am damn sure that not only tech people are afraid of this change but also people in other fields like editors, photographers, artists, writers, etc. Even though AI is still not widely approved, we all know it's no longer the case all the time. I don't know how worse the scenarios will become when we replace human effort with AI, but I hope we can regulate every technology in a useful manner.

the impact of AI is remarkably scary for next generation. it's not only about people's job, but also about human's education. many students now use AI to have light efforts for his study. This downgrades the level of learner's attitude, not only student, but also teachers, because "study" is not only about transfer knowledge, but also about transfer values and social interactions for students to be ready living in the real world.

AI can cause the culture in educational institutions may change drastically into robotic creativities. Art and intelligence could be having low quality in every aspect of human life.

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Quote from: arabspaceship123 on November 10, 2023, 06:08:59 PM

I didn't say it's easy to make sentient robots. I didn't say sentient robots were a danger to humans but if we're going to manufacture sentient AI it doesn't mean it's going to be robots. If sentient AI's going to be used in software it's going to be connected to the net so it's going to have access to every thing. I wouldn't say that's a wise idea.

Quote from: Marvell1 on November 10, 2023, 04:28:30 AM

It sounds easy but do you think creating a robot and giving it sentience is as easy as you think? It's not as simple and easy as Tony Star creating Ultron, man. We are living in a real world, not the Marvell superhero world, we need reality, not such excessive illusion. Surely some scientists are pursuing this idea because they also have ambitions, but reality and movies are completely different. We humans have a lot of ideas but to turn all of them into reality, do you think it will take us thousands of years more?

All the thoughts of those who are afraid of the development of AI come from science fiction movies. No one here is an expert or participating in AI research, what we are hearing about AI is from media channels, social networks and through movies. So we don't know what's going on with AI, we're just creating concerns for ourselves through what we imagine.

To be honest, I never thought that humans could succeed in creating sentience and injecting it into AI or robots, at least in this century. So I think what you and everyone are saying about AI is just your slightly exaggerated imagination.

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Quote from: Franctoshi on November 08, 2023, 02:35:54 PM

There is no doubt about this statement by Elon Musk, We are already in the era of the fourth industrial revolution where we will have robots, algorithms, and drones take over most economies of the world especially most developed countries like the US, UK, France, and Germany. These AI are gonna take on human jobs because people will find it cheaper to pay those robots and they will even do better jobs than humans, people should start taking on skills that require only human knowledge, just imagine when self-driving cars will be fully rolled out, a lot of people will be displaced out of the workforce.

The world of generation is gradually switching from this generation to another generation, and AI is going to a level beyond imagination, and a lot of countries that are improving in tech will be a serious boost to their economy because it is going to have a high demand, their have been so many innovation that have made the work of man easy, and look at drones they are even used in military operation and have successfully completed many, so any tech company that can offer what the government needs then they will make good money. And that is the price that AI comes with their will be very low relevance for human jobs because AI is always their to do it better. And it is going to take time before AI is fully operational globally i just wonder what it will be for us.

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Quote from: Biznesmen on November 10, 2023, 05:38:32 AM

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During an uncommon interview conducted by UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, the tech billionaire Elon Musk predicted that if AI is not regulated, there will be a time when no job will be needed. This means that AI tools would take over the entire work of men making paid jobs become reductant. He even claimed that humanoid robots might be a perfect friend for one of his sons who is having difficulty in having friends. I have always believed that regardless of how sophisticated these AI tools become, they will never replace humans. But hearing this prediction for an individual who has a full understanding of the AI sector is frightening. Elon Musk owns an AI company, xAI, that is competing with big AI firms like OpenAI, Google and Anthropic.

These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?

I thought the same too. AI has definitely had a big impact on IT professionals, and there are no longer any doubts regarding this. And we are expecting this soon too. I cannot say it's possible to build a positive or negative impact, but I am damn sure that not only tech people are afraid of this change but also people in other fields like editors, photographers, artists, writers, etc. Even though AI is still not widely approved, we all know it's no longer the case all the time. I don't know how worse the scenarios will become when we replace human effort with AI, but I hope we can regulate every technology in a useful manner.

The developers will bring robots into the field and let them work like humans, that sounds unrealistic but yeah, it can be possible as well. However, this won't make everything change or to say, these robots dominate humans but humans are still dominating in terms of knowledge and skills. I couldn't expect a scenario dear because these robots are quite expensive as well and only big companies could afford to have them. Might they acquire but not all could be replaced by these AI. Until now, it is just imagination, could be true, or could it fail?

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Callcentres are at high risk already apparently due to the repetitive nature of the job vs a large customer base phoning in. Its the case at present that some traffic is handled by computer routing and pre recorded messages, more in depth interaction still might hand over to people but the whole cost scenario is highly susceptible to being handled automatically entirely.

A CEO today warned all staff they will need to retrain to do other jobs. It could be taken as harsh or fair warning considering it wont be any one company and its a process underway for some years now imo even before AI as a term became mainstream.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/careersandeducation/bt-boss-comes-under-fire-after-telling-staff-accept-ai-will-take-your-job-horses-didn-t-moan-about-cars/ar-AA1jJCjb?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=19124148620b4a9082e4f8132482af71&ei=27

My main point overall is that automation and AI are interchangable, its a continuation of what we began long ago. New fears over an acronym imo are badly founded.

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I didn't say it's easy to make sentient robots. I didn't say sentient robots were a danger to humans but if we're going to manufacture sentient AI it doesn't mean it's going to be robots. If sentient AI's going to be used in software it's going to be connected to the net so it's going to have access to every thing. I wouldn't say that's a wise idea.

Quote from: Marvell1 on November 10, 2023, 04:28:30 AM

It sounds easy but do you think creating a robot and giving it sentience is as easy as you think? It's not as simple and easy as Tony Star creating Ultron, man. We are living in a real world, not the Marvell superhero world, we need reality, not such excessive illusion. Surely some scientists are pursuing this idea because they also have ambitions, but reality and movies are completely different. We humans have a lot of ideas but to turn all of them into reality, do you think it will take us thousands of years more?

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Quote from: arabspaceship123 on November 08, 2023, 12:59:25 PM

The machines programmed by humans are designed to serve us but what's going to happen if we're teaching robots to become sentient by using AI. If they're starting to learn they'll discover they're existence's a switch or power cord away from being ended because a human's holding the power so it's possible they'll take action.

Quote from: Ayers on November 08, 2023, 08:10:42 AM

After all, they are just machines and programmed by humans, they cannot be smarter than humans to completely replace us. Furthermore, we create AI and robots to serve us, not to replace us as many fear.

Possible and those movies that we've watched before that have robots and rebelled against their masters and humanity, that could happen. As much as I don't want to think about it that won't make sense honestly because they're just a few taps away. They are continuously learning and that's what we're seeing with AI and even the developers of it know that it's plausible.

But if the time comes that they go against humanity and they're violently programmed, I just hope that there will be organizations or unions for developers that they're going to avoid such programs that can develop into such. Someday works that can be done by AI will be there but I am sure that there will be newly generated tasks and jobs that can only be done by people.

It is just only bringing fear to think of the possibility of the one I have mentioned in the future because there is a chance. But while it's still too early, there can be chances that it won't even happen as well so, with such, hope it won't come into reality but unlikely.

We really won't know what the future holds, but to me, it's unrealistic to take what's in a science fiction movie and assume it will happen in our real world. We need to know that the reality we are living in is completely different from what those movies say. There are many movies that even depict us being invaded by aliens or living with them. Have you ever thought about that scenario? If you also think that can happen then I agree with you that AI can also dominate humans. Grin

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Quote from: Fiatless on November 03, 2023, 11:28:19 AM

During an uncommon interview conducted by UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, the tech billionaire Elon Musk predicted that if AI is not regulated, there will be a time when no job will be needed. This means that AI tools would take over the entire work of men making paid jobs become reductant. He even claimed that humanoid robots might be a perfect friend for one of his sons who is having difficulty in having friends. I have always believed that regardless of how sophisticated these AI tools become, they will never replace humans. But hearing this prediction for an individual who has a full understanding of the AI sector is frightening. Elon Musk owns an AI company, xAI, that is competing with big AI firms like OpenAI, Google and Anthropic.

These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?

I thought the same too. AI has definitely had a big impact on IT professionals, and there are no longer any doubts regarding this. And we are expecting this soon too. I cannot say it's possible to build a positive or negative impact, but I am damn sure that not only tech people are afraid of this change but also people in other fields like editors, photographers, artists, writers, etc. Even though AI is still not widely approved, we all know it's no longer the case all the time. I don't know how worse the scenarios will become when we replace human effort with AI, but I hope we can regulate every technology in a useful manner.

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Quote from: arabspaceship123 on November 09, 2023, 07:03:45 PM

I wouldn't say ppl are exaggerating when there's a concern about how AI's going to make impressions in our lives. If we don't provide robots any data it won't be AI. If we program machines with AI to allow them to become sentient we don't know where it's going to take humanity.

Quote from: Marvell1 on November 09, 2023, 09:30:33 AM

I agree, people are over-exaggerating the power of AI when its power depends entirely on us humans. If we don't provide it with data, it will just be a pile of useless scrap metal, so there will be no way AI or robots can replace humans in all fields or even control the human world.

AI is created to help and bring convenience to humans, it is not created to replace or destroy humanity, so we should stop making exaggerated assumptions about AI.

It sounds easy but do you think creating a robot and giving it sentience is as easy as you think? It's not as simple and easy as Tony Star creating Ultron, man. We are living in a real world, not the Marvell superhero world, we need reality, not such excessive illusion. Surely some scientists are pursuing this idea because they also have ambitions, but reality and movies are completely different. We humans have a lot of ideas but to turn all of them into reality, do you think it will take us thousands of years more?

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Quote from: Fiatless on November 03, 2023, 11:28:19 AM

I have always believed that regardless of how sophisticated these AI tools become, they will never replace humans. But hearing this prediction for an individual who has a full understanding of the AI sector is frightening. Elon Musk owns an AI company, xAI, that is competing with big AI firms like OpenAI, Google and Anthropic.

He can say whatever he wants and he can also develop any potential because he has sufficient work tools. Elon Musk is a human figure who never stops innovating and he is an accomplished businessman who will do anything for the business he runs. Our fear in the future is that the level of competition between humans and robots will increase because it is not impossible that robots will replace the work done by humans.

Quote from: Fiatless on November 03, 2023, 11:28:19 AM

These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?

Get ready for new breakthroughs in the era of computerization and if we don't prepare ourselves well then robots will replace human jobs. Humans are starting to feel the sophistication of technology now because there are several robots that are starting to be developed to work like humans. The level of seriousness that Elon Musk is talking about will be proven when this program runs in the future and if we are still alive we will probably say something in our hearts, that what Elon Musk said at that time has happened.

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I think it's a bit of a stretch to say that AI will end all work, at least for now. Maybe after few decades, but yeah not anytime soon. Sure, AI's advanncing fast, but there's a ton of stuff that AI cannot replicate. We all know AI lacks natural empathy and intuition. Also AI's aren't as creative as we think they are right now. We're still gonna need people for loads of jobs, especially those requires "humans". And think about it, how much we have moved forward and the big leaps like different revolution in the fields of industry – yet it didn't "put an end to work"; it just changed how people work and in fact it created even more jobs/work. The same could happen when AI takes over, freeing us up from tasks that are repetitive, boring and risky while letting us focus on something more.

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Quote from: arabspaceship123 on November 09, 2023, 07:03:45 PM

I wouldn't say ppl are exaggerating when there's a concern about how AI's going to make impressions in our lives. If we don't provide robots any data it won't be AI. If we program machines with AI to allow them to become sentient we don't know where it's going to take humanity.

Quote from: Marvell1 on November 09, 2023, 09:30:33 AM

I agree, people are over-exaggerating the power of AI when its power depends entirely on us humans. If we don't provide it with data, it will just be a pile of useless scrap metal, so there will be no way AI or robots can replace humans in all fields or even control the human world.

AI is created to help and bring convenience to humans, it is not created to replace or destroy humanity, so we should stop making exaggerated assumptions about AI.

Yeah, it's not an exaggeration, and it seems that AI will be the newest technology, the future for mankind. And with that, Elon being a visionary, obviously has a lot of things in his mind with regards to his AI technology.

And he could be right now, there could be jobs that might replace by AI. But I doubt though that people will be somewhat of no use to the society. We will still be the dominant species despite the coming of AI. And we should look at how this technology can bring to us and make everything better.

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Anyone into AI should be reading all of Arthur C Clarke books, he explored this all years ago. Im not sure Elon will have done so but its relevant for exploring all the logical constructs that a robot might be need when it has the power in multiple avenues to maybe threaten humans.
I think they are finding with AI being slightly considerate of the person is relevant, you cannot just dismiss someone's presence and declare them last or least valuable employee or worker in a situation. Also giving out instructions for explosives and all kinds of possible solutions a robot or AI might not recognize is restricted not freely spoken information, this interface with humans has been considered going back many decades in sci-fi I think its becoming finally relevant now.

In the vast majority AI should be an obvious positive to society, a few times a persons job might become eclipsed in some way but my main take is none of this is new as a transformation its a continuation of the industrial revolution imo.

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I wouldn't say ppl are exaggerating when there's a concern about how AI's going to make impressions in our lives. If we don't provide robots any data it won't be AI. If we program machines with AI to allow them to become sentient we don't know where it's going to take humanity.

Quote from: Marvell1 on November 09, 2023, 09:30:33 AM

I agree, people are over-exaggerating the power of AI when its power depends entirely on us humans. If we don't provide it with data, it will just be a pile of useless scrap metal, so there will be no way AI or robots can replace humans in all fields or even control the human world.

AI is created to help and bring convenience to humans, it is not created to replace or destroy humanity, so we should stop making exaggerated assumptions about AI.

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Quote from: Marvell1 on November 09, 2023, 09:30:33 AM

AI is created to help and bring convenience to humans, it is not created to replace or destroy humanity, so we should stop making exaggerated assumptions about AI.

Well, there is a theory that AI one day will launch missiles, as they are controlled by programs. But this theory is a complete fiction, movie or book plot. Not a single reasonable human will ever believe in that. As well as I wont believe that one day we will have manufactures that will provide so many robots (not exactly they must be managed by AI), that they will replace humans, and the only tasks humans would do are clicking button and creating new tasks for them. There are robotic helpers, but they work they can do is greatly limited. They wont be able to do something, where creativity is required

In the end, human skills and knowledge are still different from these AI. Maybe some type of work can be replaced with these robots but having said it replacing all, that seems impossible in the sense that their actions are limited. Yes, I really admire how this AI has been created to fill some important roles, especially in big companies but still, it is not enough to say that it takes everything otherwise, many people will become jobless which badly affects the economic growth of the country.

Humans are superior
Humans are literally creator of AI
Humans does have sense
Humans does have capability on assessing things
Humans does have that adjustment and versatility
etc...

We arent that blind on not to see these advantage compared to AI.
The truth about AI advancement is that it is really that something beneficial for humankind but there would really be still certain limitations.
Yes, it could be able to cover up some jobs and others which can be done automatically and efficiently but still there are jobs or works on which human beings
are the only ones who could really be able to do so.

It is really just that people are over exaggerating on what AI could do and some do even have that kind of worry about taking over the human race. Lol!
Lets just cherish out this kind of advancement and wont really be thinking about negative things which arent really that suppsosed to happen in the first place.
Better stop to see those common sci-fi movies so that you wont really be that a fan on connecting things around.

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Quote from: Marvell1 on November 09, 2023, 09:30:33 AM

AI is created to help and bring convenience to humans, it is not created to replace or destroy humanity, so we should stop making exaggerated assumptions about AI.

Well, there is a theory that AI one day will launch missiles, as they are controlled by programs. But this theory is a complete fiction, movie or book plot. Not a single reasonable human will ever believe in that. As well as I wont believe that one day we will have manufactures that will provide so many robots (not exactly they must be managed by AI), that they will replace humans, and the only tasks humans would do are clicking button and creating new tasks for them. There are robotic helpers, but they work they can do is greatly limited. They wont be able to do something, where creativity is required

In the end, human skills and knowledge are still different from these AI. Maybe some type of work can be replaced with these robots but having said it replacing all, that seems impossible in the sense that their actions are limited. Yes, I really admire how this AI has been created to fill some important roles, especially in big companies but still, it is not enough to say that it takes everything otherwise, many people will become jobless which badly affects the economic growth of the country.

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Yeah, as I have said that there's no doubt with that that some of the jobs will be easier because of AIs and more productive.
But it seems that there are people that have been over exaggerating what AIs can do as of now. I know that in some years in the near future, there can be more of what they can do because they are being developed continuously. But let's just all set to what is in the current.

I agree, people are over-exaggerating the power of AI when its power depends entirely on us humans. If we don't provide it with data, it will just be a pile of useless scrap metal, so there will be no way AI or robots can replace humans in all fields or even control the human world.

AI is created to help and bring convenience to humans, it is not created to replace or destroy humanity, so we should stop making exaggerated assumptions about AI.

That's right, there's a basis to what it produces and it all depends to the gathered data that it gets from its developer and through the web.
When they don't have those things then that means that they're equipped with zero knowledge and will learn on its own.
It might learn as fast as it can be but it won't learn everything that it knows without a source.

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Quote from: mvdheuvel1983 on November 09, 2023, 02:07:06 PM

It is true as Elon musk has said it artificial intelligence will put an end to work but not in the entirety of it. AI will not take over the jobs of astronauts working at space x neither will AI take over the jobs of the engineers whose work is to ensure that the machines are functioning at its optimal to assemble battery parts at Tesla. I also will not take over the jobs of people working at X, the social media company. What a I will do instead is that we would see better results output we would see efficiency we will see organizations meeting their key performance indicators as a result of these super human computers without have been utilised in their places of work.

Can you actually produce any logical argument on why all the jobs you mentioned can't be automated? What is it that humans can do that is impossible to be made by AI/robots?
So far this thread is full of wishful thinking and empty phrases with no real substance.

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Quote from: Fiatless on November 03, 2023, 11:28:19 AM

These comments can increase the fear and anxiety workers always had that these super-computers will replace them in future. What are your thoughts regarding the statement by Elon, do you think we should take him seriously?

It is true as Elon musk has said it artificial intelligence will put an end to work but not in the entirety of it. AI will not take over the jobs of astronauts working at space x neither will AI take over the jobs of the engineers whose work is to ensure that the machines are functioning at its optimal to assemble battery parts at Tesla. I also will not take over the jobs of people working at X, the social media company. What a I will do instead is that we would see better results output we would see efficiency we will see organizations meeting their key performance indicators as a result of these super human computers without have been utilised in their places of work.

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Quote from: Marvell1 on November 09, 2023, 09:30:33 AM

I agree, people are over-exaggerating the power of AI when its power depends entirely on us humans. If we don't provide it with data, it will just be a pile of useless scrap metal, so there will be no way AI or robots can replace humans in all fields or even control the human world.

AI is created to help and bring convenience to humans, it is not created to replace or destroy humanity, so we should stop making exaggerated assumptions about AI.

If people directly involved in developing AI tell you it's a potential huge threat, than maybe you should take it seriously.
What makes an AI an AI is the ability to learn and expand on it's own, and it could do it exponentially. AI is not just a database that filters out results according to a prompt. And no, it's not always created with the best intentions in mind, it could very well also be used to gain geopolitical advantage of one country over others.
From materialistic point of view, there's nothing special about humans. We are just a biological robots that could be replaced by something better, more efficient and designed for a special purpose.

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