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1. Host board will be a two board solution ( SOM & Daughter board).
SOM - system on a module(little tiny computer), daughter card is a secondary PCB attached to the SOM through a connector or cable likely containing the ASIC and accompanying devices.

2. Wifi capability has been added to the host board.
Wifi! no cables! Smiley

3. Power measurement capability added to the host board.
Web interface and/or front display will likely report out active power usage.

4. Temperature measurement capability added to the mining board.
Web interface and/or front display will likely report out active temperature levels.

5. ASIC – Physical design is going on:

    1. Memory cells are chosen as array of 1024*128 bits.
   Physical dimension/structure of the memory blocks

    2. Various options for memory floor planning is being tried upon like multiple memories being stacked on top of each other along with grouping them together for better die size.
   Puzzle piecing the memory partitions to try and optimize die size... smaller the die, more per wafer, cheaper the chip.
 
6. RTL synthesis has been tried out with HVT , RVT and LVT cells. LVT offers good frequency, however power leakage is higher, RVT offers balance on timing and power.
ASIC standard cell types, High vT, Low vT, Regular/Standard vT... used depending on situation, its a Speed vs Power dissipation thing. vT = Threshold voltage, this is threshold at which a transistor turns on/off. A Low vT turns on and off faster but comes with increased leakage, the opposite for High vT. Think of an HVT device like a sprinter starting in a standing position(when idle its easy to stay standing, but slow to start) and an LVT device like a sprinter starting low in the starting blocks (when idle, the starting stance requires allot of effort to maintain, but a fast start).

7. Block level pin assignments in progress.
Pin assignments are the ports, connection points to the various design partitions (collections of logic that perform a specific task)... its a hardware equivalent of a "function" in programming and the ports represent the input/output of those functions. When talking full chip those ports correspond to the physical pins/solder balls on the package.

8. DFT Scan insertion in progress.
This is a built in test methodology for post silicon validation(testing the die for defects). DFT = Design For Test. I would assume along these lines that basic I/O test logic and mbist test logic is being implemented as well... especially mbist, as i'm sure the die area consumed by the memory is a big percentage as compared to the random logic (that scan covers).

9. Place and route in progress.
Assuming the place and route for the asic and not the PCB... but means the same thing... the die is being automatically synthesized based on the design, a process of placing standard cells (and/Or/Nand/Nor/Latch/Inverter...etc) and generating the electrical connection paths between them.

Credits to Phidian from Litecointalk.org Forum for the technical breakdown.
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Where can we buy those batch 2 units?
From what I can tell the only way to order as of now is through their email.. [email protected]

I imagine that is just for wholesalers though.. I bet once they have their supply line ramped up (which might take a month+ due to CNY), these will be readily available. I think that Dualminer is the first reseller accepting orders, but there will be others developing their own soon. It seems Gridseed wants to simply provide ASIC chips and have people make designs and sell them to customers similar to Avalon gen2 chips.

I'm glad they're not readily available now.. I don't have any $$ on hand !!
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Where can we buy those batch 2 units?
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Gridseed is expensive, so far. Maybe when the price goes down. But hey, feel free to spend $100 on 70 kh/s.

You are quoting the marked up price being advertised by the buyers who got it before Gridseed sold out the first batch.  Gridseed 20 units sold from Gridseed.com are $2,700.00USD equivalent which returns a khs/$ of 2.25 which is onpar with an alpha-tech 5Mhs.  Plus Gridseeds are out right now and in mass production for batch 2 which will be out 2 months before alpha-tech gets their first batch out. 

In crypto it is the first out the gate that capitalizes.  Gridseed will make alpha-techs worthless by the time they release only because difficulty will skyrocket over the next 4 months.
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Gridseed is expensive, so far. Maybe when the price goes down. But hey, feel free to spend $100 on 70 kh/s.
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Hey Fiaz, please take your time to answe my questions, no hurry, there are no ASIC miners for LTC out there yet, do NOT click on the link below:

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Gridseed-Worlds-First-USB-ASIC-Litecoin-Dogecoin-Bitcoin-Dual-Miner-/261384861912?pt=AU_comp_dekstop&hash=item3cdbc078d8&_uhb=1
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Greetings Miners!

Engineering updates for this week:

1. Host board will be a two board solution ( SOM & Daughter board).

2. Wifi capability has been added to the host board.

3. Power measurement capability added to the host board.

4. Temperature measurement capability added to the mining board.

5. ASIC – Physical design is going on:

    1. Memory cells are chosen as array of 1024*128 bits.

    2. Various options for memory floor planning is being tried upon like multiple memories being stacked on top of each other along with grouping them together for better die size.
 
6. RTL synthesis has been tried out with HVT , RVT and LVT cells. LVT offers good frequency, however power leakage is higher, RVT offers balance on timing and power.

7. Block level pin assignments in progress.

8. DFT Scan insertion in progress.

9. Place and route in progress.


Hi Fiaz, thanks for the update.

In simple terms can you confirm this is as per plan and on target. I like others would be keen to understand at the earliest opportunity whether we are likely to experience any delays, it's all about managing your customers expectations :-)

Thanks
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That sounds cool (excuse the pun). Are you running yours in open enclosures or closed chassis ?

Open, they're on flat plastic shelf racks.

I'm running mine in sealed enclosures currently 3 GPU per 4u chassis. They're not maxed out and are running consistently. So I'm happy.
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That sounds cool (excuse the pun). Are you running yours in open enclosures or closed chassis ?

Open, they're on flat plastic shelf racks.
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On the day when this 5MH/s card could come to my house (3Q Huh), R9 290X price can be 1,5-2 times lower than now. I'm not sure is it a great deal

Besides.... it's useless for the other purposes

How much energy and how many cards would you require to get 5Mh/s from R9 290 cards?
Answer - At roughly 870Kh/s it would take you 6 cards (roughly 350X6= 2100 bucks). 6 cards would use 1800 watts of energy.

So, by waiting as energy just makes it cost prohibitive where I (and many others are to Scrypt mine) I can get 5Mh/s for 1350 bucks and use only 80 or so watts of energy.
Of note, though I doubt it continues, is the LTC difficulty is falling hard. Due to Doge or?

Now, I understand that the above is not true for everyone but it is true for many. Also, there is no way I could either handle 1800 additional watts on my current breaker nor handle the
cost of upgrading each of those NOISY cards with upgraded cooling (as they are just no available, though I got lucky and found 1.)

IAS



Agree, am maxed out currently, personally I can't wait to get hold of the Vipers and reduce some of my overheads. Not that I'm selling the GPU's, I will keep them all until they breakdown on me....
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If by the time they arrive the difficulty deosn't match the rewards I'll go and mine another scrypt coin....

Guy after my own heart. Run it till the wheels fall off.. then push it further down the road.



Indeed, until the bitter end !
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1U cases usually have smaller fans, which are much noisier. 1U cases require special PSU rather than plain ATA PSU, don't they?
I think it would be better to use 2U or 3U case, to have quieter device, with standard PSU,
and with margins (more space), which would allow to enlarge size or number of modules if their hashing speed is worse than expected.

Using "margins on margins" worked well for KnCMiner. The others provided less margins and it was often the source of their problems.

You brought up something I had been wondering about: What is the noise level of the 1U units? Really, an answer in Db would be great. (A range for now).
I would imagine most people will be running these out of their homes and noise will be a HUGE factor.

I just bought a LTC mining computer with an AMD R9-290 GPU in it - NOISY (via terrible design). I had to use an aftermarket fan/cooler to bring the level down (a lot). Warranty is gone when you do that.

So, while things are still being finalized - Alpha Tech - Can you take noise into consideration? Most appreciated.

Its about sharing

I just built a 4u rig with 2 x r9 290, having 2 x 80mm fans and 2 x 120mm fans, It's circa 60db. I would imagine it would not be too dissimilar.


Rig number 2 under way with 3 of the r9 290's in....




With due respect you picked the WORST card to base your example on, as I clearly stated above. The R9 290 is the Absolutely WORST designed card when it comes to noise level as well as poorly designed when it comes to cooling. There is a reason my altered card is BOTH quiet and cool (13-20 degrees cooler than stock!!!). The R9 290 is made to run at 95 degrees (or should I say "withstand") as they apparently used the cheapest design possible - which is why they "made it to run" at 95°.

Alpha Tech can EASILY build a fairly quiet rig. The key is in the fans combined with an optimal cooling and air flow design. It is not rocket science and the work has basically already been done. (Just like the aftermarket R9 290 cooling system.)

In this day and age, there is NO reason to have a rig running above 20-25Db's, depending on the level of cooling needed (and perhaps if the overclocking is huge). If we start making these rigs impossible to
keep in houses, we do mining a great disservice imo.

IAS

Worse case scenario, best case scenario. I purely provided an answer to the question, it's neither right, nor wrong, it's based on my current setup and thats all. I'm running it in a rack in a data centre, so it's neither here nor there when it comes to how much noise it makes for me. Whilst there is every possibility to make a quiet rig, I still have to wear ear plugs in my server room.

Noise, size, neither are a deciding factor in my equation. It just needs to be built and work well.


Not sure if you missed my point or not. I have the same card as you and it is a GREAT card for hashing but a terrible card regarding noise. It is louder than everything that came before it.
So, when you said
Quote
I just built a 4u rig with 2 x r9 290, having 2 x 80mm fans and 2 x 120mm fans, It's circa 60db. I would imagine it would not be too dissimilar.


Rig number 2 under way with 3 of the r9 290's in....

it made no sense, as you picked the LOUDEST card regarding noise. Am I misunderstanding your bolded statement? The Alpha-Tech rig should be nothing like the R9 290 noise wise.

IAS

Hey IAS, it's not my bold statement, it's just a statement on my current findings on the only card I use for mining (another three arrived today) and based on my setup and findings. I'm giving an example albeit (and hopefully) at the top of what we can expect.

Let's not get hung up on this it's going to be somewhere between 25db and 60db, I'm not particularly concerned.

Thanks.
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On the day when this 5MH/s card could come to my house (3Q Huh), R9 290X price can be 1,5-2 times lower than now. I'm not sure is it a great deal

Besides.... it's useless for the other purposes

How much energy and how many cards would you require to get 5Mh/s from R9 290 cards?
Answer - At roughly 870Kh/s it would take you 6 cards (roughly 350X6= 2100 bucks). 6 cards would use 1800 watts of energy.

So, by waiting as energy just makes it cost prohibitive where I (and many others are to Scrypt mine) I can get 5Mh/s for 1350 bucks and use only 80 or so watts of energy.
Of note, though I doubt it continues, is the LTC difficulty is falling hard. Due to Doge or?

Now, I understand that the above is not true for everyone but it is true for many. Also, there is no way I could either handle 1800 additional watts on my current breaker nor handle the
cost of upgrading each of those NOISY cards with upgraded cooling (as they are just no available, though I got lucky and found 1.)

IAS

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1U cases usually have smaller fans, which are much noisier. 1U cases require special PSU rather than plain ATA PSU, don't they?
I think it would be better to use 2U or 3U case, to have quieter device, with standard PSU,
and with margins (more space), which would allow to enlarge size or number of modules if their hashing speed is worse than expected.

Using "margins on margins" worked well for KnCMiner. The others provided less margins and it was often the source of their problems.

You brought up something I had been wondering about: What is the noise level of the 1U units? Really, an answer in Db would be great. (A range for now).
I would imagine most people will be running these out of their homes and noise will be a HUGE factor.

I just bought a LTC mining computer with an AMD R9-290 GPU in it - NOISY (via terrible design). I had to use an aftermarket fan/cooler to bring the level down (a lot). Warranty is gone when you do that.

So, while things are still being finalized - Alpha Tech - Can you take noise into consideration? Most appreciated.

Its about sharing

I just built a 4u rig with 2 x r9 290, having 2 x 80mm fans and 2 x 120mm fans, It's circa 60db. I would imagine it would not be too dissimilar.


Rig number 2 under way with 3 of the r9 290's in....




With due respect you picked the WORST card to base your example on, as I clearly stated above. The R9 290 is the Absolutely WORST designed card when it comes to noise level as well as poorly designed when it comes to cooling. There is a reason my altered card is BOTH quiet and cool (13-20 degrees cooler than stock!!!). The R9 290 is made to run at 95 degrees (or should I say "withstand") as they apparently used the cheapest design possible - which is why they "made it to run" at 95°.

Alpha Tech can EASILY build a fairly quiet rig. The key is in the fans combined with an optimal cooling and air flow design. It is not rocket science and the work has basically already been done. (Just like the aftermarket R9 290 cooling system.)

In this day and age, there is NO reason to have a rig running above 20-25Db's, depending on the level of cooling needed (and perhaps if the overclocking is huge). If we start making these rigs impossible to
keep in houses, we do mining a great disservice imo.

IAS

Worse case scenario, best case scenario. I purely provided an answer to the question, it's neither right, nor wrong, it's based on my current setup and thats all. I'm running it in a rack in a data centre, so it's neither here nor there when it comes to how much noise it makes for me. Whilst there is every possibility to make a quiet rig, I still have to wear ear plugs in my server room.

Noise, size, neither are a deciding factor in my equation. It just needs to be built and work well.


Not sure if you missed my point or not. I have the same card as you and it is a GREAT card for hashing but a terrible card regarding noise. It is louder than everything that came before it.
So, when you said
Quote
I just built a 4u rig with 2 x r9 290, having 2 x 80mm fans and 2 x 120mm fans, It's circa 60db. I would imagine it would not be too dissimilar.


Rig number 2 under way with 3 of the r9 290's in....

it made no sense, as you picked the LOUDEST card regarding noise. Am I misunderstanding your bolded statement? The Alpha-Tech rig should be nothing like the R9 290 noise wise.

IAS
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On the day when this 5MH/s card could come to my house (3Q Huh), R9 290X price can be 1,5-2 times lower than now, and there could be new GPU cards much more MH/power effective. I'm not sure is it a great deal

Besides.... it's useless for the other purposes
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With due respect you picked the WORST card to base your example on, as I clearly stated above. The R9 290 is the Absolutely WORST designed card when it comes to noise level as well as poorly designed when it comes to cooling. There is a reason my altered card is BOTH quiet and cool (13-20 degrees cooler than stock!!!). The R9 290 is made to run at 95 degrees (or should I say "withstand") as they apparently used the cheapest design possible - which is why they "made it to run" at 95°.

Alpha Tech can EASILY build a fairly quiet rig. The key is in the fans combined with an optimal cooling and air flow design. It is not rocket science and the work has basically already been done. (Just like the aftermarket R9 290 cooling system.)

In this day and age, there is NO reason to have a rig running above 20-25Db's, depending on the level of cooling needed (and perhaps if the overclocking is huge). If we start making these rigs impossible to
keep in houses, we do mining a great disservice imo.

IAS

^- On point. My farm is approaching 25mh and you can't even tell the systems are on.

I put one in my bedroom. My girl can't sleep if so much as an ant walks on the floor and farts, it'll wake her up. She didn't even realize I had a mining rig in the bedroom until I showed her.

Prolimatech MK 26 coolers, Blue Vortex 140mm fans = 18db of mining fury @ 50-65*C overclocked. The only noise you ever hear is the occasional tinge from PSU components heating up and cooling down.

That sounds cool (excuse the pun). Are you running yours in open enclosures or closed chassis ?
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1U cases usually have smaller fans, which are much noisier. 1U cases require special PSU rather than plain ATA PSU, don't they?
I think it would be better to use 2U or 3U case, to have quieter device, with standard PSU,
and with margins (more space), which would allow to enlarge size or number of modules if their hashing speed is worse than expected.

Using "margins on margins" worked well for KnCMiner. The others provided less margins and it was often the source of their problems.

You brought up something I had been wondering about: What is the noise level of the 1U units? Really, an answer in Db would be great. (A range for now).
I would imagine most people will be running these out of their homes and noise will be a HUGE factor.

I just bought a LTC mining computer with an AMD R9-290 GPU in it - NOISY (via terrible design). I had to use an aftermarket fan/cooler to bring the level down (a lot). Warranty is gone when you do that.

So, while things are still being finalized - Alpha Tech - Can you take noise into consideration? Most appreciated.

Its about sharing

I just built a 4u rig with 2 x r9 290, having 2 x 80mm fans and 2 x 120mm fans, It's circa 60db. I would imagine it would not be too dissimilar.


Rig number 2 under way with 3 of the r9 290's in....




With due respect you picked the WORST card to base your example on, as I clearly stated above. The R9 290 is the Absolutely WORST designed card when it comes to noise level as well as poorly designed when it comes to cooling. There is a reason my altered card is BOTH quiet and cool (13-20 degrees cooler than stock!!!). The R9 290 is made to run at 95 degrees (or should I say "withstand") as they apparently used the cheapest design possible - which is why they "made it to run" at 95°.

Alpha Tech can EASILY build a fairly quiet rig. The key is in the fans combined with an optimal cooling and air flow design. It is not rocket science and the work has basically already been done. (Just like the aftermarket R9 290 cooling system.)

In this day and age, there is NO reason to have a rig running above 20-25Db's, depending on the level of cooling needed (and perhaps if the overclocking is huge). If we start making these rigs impossible to
keep in houses, we do mining a great disservice imo.

IAS

Worse case scenario, best case scenario. I purely provided an answer to the question, it's neither right, nor wrong, it's based on my current setup and thats all. I'm running it in a rack in a data centre, so it's neither here nor there when it comes to how much noise it makes for me. Whilst there is every possibility to make a quiet rig, I still have to wear ear plugs in my server room.

Noise, size, neither are a deciding factor in my equation. It just needs to be built and work well.
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With due respect you picked the WORST card to base your example on, as I clearly stated above. The R9 290 is the Absolutely WORST designed card when it comes to noise level as well as poorly designed when it comes to cooling. There is a reason my altered card is BOTH quiet and cool (13-20 degrees cooler than stock!!!). The R9 290 is made to run at 95 degrees (or should I say "withstand") as they apparently used the cheapest design possible - which is why they "made it to run" at 95°.

Alpha Tech can EASILY build a fairly quiet rig. The key is in the fans combined with an optimal cooling and air flow design. It is not rocket science and the work has basically already been done. (Just like the aftermarket R9 290 cooling system.)

In this day and age, there is NO reason to have a rig running above 20-25Db's, depending on the level of cooling needed (and perhaps if the overclocking is huge). If we start making these rigs impossible to
keep in houses, we do mining a great disservice imo.

IAS

^- On point. My farm is approaching 25mh and you can't even tell the systems are on.

I put one in my bedroom. My girl can't sleep if so much as an ant walks on the floor and farts, it'll wake her up. She didn't even realize I had a mining rig in the bedroom until I showed her.

Prolimatech MK 26 coolers, Blue Vortex 140mm fans = 18db of mining fury @ 50-65*C overclocked. The only noise you ever hear is the occasional tinge from PSU components heating up and cooling down.
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1U cases usually have smaller fans, which are much noisier. 1U cases require special PSU rather than plain ATA PSU, don't they?
I think it would be better to use 2U or 3U case, to have quieter device, with standard PSU,
and with margins (more space), which would allow to enlarge size or number of modules if their hashing speed is worse than expected.

Using "margins on margins" worked well for KnCMiner. The others provided less margins and it was often the source of their problems.

You brought up something I had been wondering about: What is the noise level of the 1U units? Really, an answer in Db would be great. (A range for now).
I would imagine most people will be running these out of their homes and noise will be a HUGE factor.

I just bought a LTC mining computer with an AMD R9-290 GPU in it - NOISY (via terrible design). I had to use an aftermarket fan/cooler to bring the level down (a lot). Warranty is gone when you do that.

So, while things are still being finalized - Alpha Tech - Can you take noise into consideration? Most appreciated.

Its about sharing

I just built a 4u rig with 2 x r9 290, having 2 x 80mm fans and 2 x 120mm fans, It's circa 60db. I would imagine it would not be too dissimilar.


Rig number 2 under way with 3 of the r9 290's in....




With due respect you picked the WORST card to base your example on, as I clearly stated above. The R9 290 is the Absolutely WORST designed card when it comes to noise level as well as poorly designed when it comes to cooling. There is a reason my altered card is BOTH quiet and cool (13-20 degrees cooler than stock!!!). The R9 290 is made to run at 95 degrees (or should I say "withstand") as they apparently used the cheapest design possible - which is why they "made it to run" at 95°.

Alpha Tech can EASILY build a fairly quiet rig. The key is in the fans combined with an optimal cooling and air flow design. It is not rocket science and the work has basically already been done. (Just like the aftermarket R9 290 cooling system.)

In this day and age, there is NO reason to have a rig running above 20-25Db's, depending on the level of cooling needed (and perhaps if the overclocking is huge). If we start making these rigs impossible to
keep in houses, we do mining a great disservice imo.

IAS
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