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Topic: Alpha Technology Litecoin (Scrypt) ASIC Miner Order Batch 1 Now! - page 221. (Read 529054 times)

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If they can do anything like the precedent that KNC has done, they will really go down in history. I mean KNC delivered 550Gh/s when the machines were originally spec'd at 350/s or so (300-400). That is 57% above spec. So, a 5Mh/s machine would be an almost 8Mh/s machine. That would be great and to be honest, looking at the hash rate rise, it would be in line with what KNC did to maintain profitability for the customers.

Hi, I fully agree! If this would happen, I am sure that most batch 1 customers (and all non existing clients) would make sure they order for batch 2!
(just like what happened with KNC)  We all like companies who underpromise and overdeliver :-) Maybe you can become the KNC for Scrypt!

Fiaz, thanks for updates so far! ( I guess we all cannot wait to start mining with the maximum hash power available :-) )
legendary
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On Dec 17 - https://alpha-t.net/news/development-update-17122013/
"we have shown all hash rates as minimum expected figures."

On Dec 24 - https://alpha-t.net/news/registration-open-updates/
"Due to the previous errors of other ASIC companies, hash rate and shipping we have quoted are based on worst case scenarios. We expect to out-perform these quotations. All our boards will very likely have better hash rates than estimated/published. The published hash rates will be guaranteed as bare minimum if not better."

Hey there, we have optimized our ASIC RTL design in such a way that we will be able to achieve higher performance with a very low number of chips, thus the density of chips per machine will be significantly reduced.

1)   The average hashing power per chip has been beefed up significantly from our estimated 300Khs per chip to 800Khs per chip and thereby reducing the number of chips required to reach the required hashes.

Following your own statements, I herewith propose an alternative scenario :-)

Keep the same density of chips per machine and increase the total performance / hashrate per machine :-)

I was wondering about this and asked the question. They claimed the machines would still over perform.

Bleh -- they make more money by reducing components, we get less hashing power.

If they can do anything like the precedent that KNC has done, they will really go down in history. I mean KNC delivered 550Gh/s when the machines were originally spec'd at 350/s or so (300-400). That is 57% above spec. So, a 5Mh/s machine would be an almost 8Mh/s machine. That would be great and to be honest, looking at the hash rate rise, it would be in line with what KNC did to maintain profitability for the customers.

I'm enjoying the posts from Fiaz, much appreciated.

IAS
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On Dec 17 - https://alpha-t.net/news/development-update-17122013/
"we have shown all hash rates as minimum expected figures."

On Dec 24 - https://alpha-t.net/news/registration-open-updates/
"Due to the previous errors of other ASIC companies, hash rate and shipping we have quoted are based on worst case scenarios. We expect to out-perform these quotations. All our boards will very likely have better hash rates than estimated/published. The published hash rates will be guaranteed as bare minimum if not better."

Hey there, we have optimized our ASIC RTL design in such a way that we will be able to achieve higher performance with a very low number of chips, thus the density of chips per machine will be significantly reduced.

1)   The average hashing power per chip has been beefed up significantly from our estimated 300Khs per chip to 800Khs per chip and thereby reducing the number of chips required to reach the required hashes.

Following your own statements, I herewith propose an alternative scenario :-)

Keep the same density of chips per machine and increase the total performance / hashrate per machine :-)

I was wondering about this and asked the question. They claimed the machines would still over perform.

Bleh -- they make more money by reducing components, we get less hashing power.
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On Dec 17 - https://alpha-t.net/news/development-update-17122013/
"we have shown all hash rates as minimum expected figures."

On Dec 24 - https://alpha-t.net/news/registration-open-updates/
"Due to the previous errors of other ASIC companies, hash rate and shipping we have quoted are based on worst case scenarios. We expect to out-perform these quotations. All our boards will very likely have better hash rates than estimated/published. The published hash rates will be guaranteed as bare minimum if not better."

Hey there, we have optimized our ASIC RTL design in such a way that we will be able to achieve higher performance with a very low number of chips, thus the density of chips per machine will be significantly reduced.

1)   The average hashing power per chip has been beefed up significantly from our estimated 300Khs per chip to 800Khs per chip and thereby reducing the number of chips required to reach the required hashes.

Following your own statements, I herewith propose an alternative scenario :-)

Keep the same density of chips per machine and increase the total performance / hashrate per machine :-)
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what would asic mining do to thr price of litecoin.
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This was made possible because of two reasons:

1)   The average hashing power per chip has been beefed up significantly from our estimated 300Khs per chip to 800Khs per chip and thereby reducing the number of chips required to reach the required hashes.

2)   Earlier we were planning to stack miner boards vertically one over the other, however after the reduction in the number of chips we decided to go horizontally and increase the depth of the 1u chassis in order to accommodate the boards horizontally. The boards will be connected to each other through ribbon cables. By stacking boards horizontally thermal design improves as stacking of boards vertically will have passed the heat to all the boards which were above them. With efficient heat sinks having sizeable fins heat can be dissipated in the chassis by channelizing the heated air properly with the directed fans. If we need to we can also go for conduction cooling through the chassis itself.

A technical drawing will be shared in due course once we have finalized both the board and enclosure sizes.

I do look forward to this technical drawing. I appreciate your response, but again, increasing the density of the chips and the speed, requires more power. More power = more heat, unless there's a significant catalyst for greater efficiency.

While I don't believe it impossible, I do find it unlikely to be 'that simple', especially for air cooling to solve the problem.

I look forward to being shown otherwise, of course.
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Fiaz, it's a real pleasure to read your detailed explanations and to watch this development process.

What are the estimations of shipping speed? How long time do you expect to take between the first and the last shipments of this batch?

I too would like to know this?

I think they should all go out the same day!
RHA
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Fiaz, it's a real pleasure to read your detailed explanations and to watch this development process.

What are the estimations of shipping speed? How long time do you expect to take between the first and the last shipments of this batch?
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This was made possible because of two reasons:

1)   The average hashing power per chip has been beefed up significantly from our estimated 300Khs per chip to 800Khs per chip and thereby reducing the number of chips required to reach the required hashes.

2)   Earlier we were planning to stack miner boards vertically one over the other, however after the reduction in the number of chips we decided to go horizontally and increase the depth of the 1u chassis in order to accommodate the boards horizontally. The boards will be connected to each other through ribbon cables. By stacking boards horizontally thermal design improves as stacking of boards vertically will have passed the heat to all the boards which were above them. With efficient heat sinks having sizeable fins heat can be dissipated in the chassis by channelizing the heated air properly with the directed fans. If we need to we can also go for conduction cooling through the chassis itself.

A technical drawing will be shared in due course once we have finalized both the board and enclosure sizes.

Fiaz.


Great news! +1
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Fiaz, quick question for you.

If all goes as expected, I assume you will start working of more powerful machines, My questions is this:

Will first batch clients get dibs on your next batch. It would suck if we were forgotten when pre orders are taken for batch 2.



Already Answered:

This message is to all batch 1 customers, regarding you having preference in future releases. This will indeed be the case, you will all be given priority in subsequent batches and our future products. It is because of you that this has been made possible so thank you from everyone at Alpha Technology.

Regards,

Fiaz.


Thanks dude, I must have missed it.

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Fiaz, quick question for you.

If all goes as expected, I assume you will start working of more powerful machines, My questions is this:

Will first batch clients get dibs on your next batch. It would suck if we were forgotten when pre orders are taken for batch 2.



Already Answered:

This message is to all batch 1 customers, regarding you having preference in future releases. This will indeed be the case, you will all be given priority in subsequent batches and our future products. It is because of you that this has been made possible so thank you from everyone at Alpha Technology.

Regards,

Fiaz.

legendary
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Making money since I was in the womb! @emc2whale
Fiaz, quick question for you.

If all goes as expected, I assume you will start working of more powerful machines, My questions is this:

Will first batch clients get dibs on your next batch. It would suck if we were forgotten when pre orders are taken for batch 2.

legendary
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Thanks for the information Fiaz. This will keep the naysayers at bay for a few days I think Smiley

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" 7) You will be given a full warrantee, which is a guarantee from us. Again we do not control the value of individual cryptocurrencies, however, we do guarantee our original shipping deadline, which we are working on beating. If at the worst case scenario shipping is delayed we will work on some sort of repayment. "

I think it might put a lot of customers at ease if Alpha-T would alreade make a promise on the sort of repayment that would be offered in case of delays. Extra hashing power, for example.

When is the forum launching ? Looking forward to joining !

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FYI if you want your pre-order BTC back, just send them a mail. I asked for a charge back and they did it  Smiley
legendary
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not answering and ignoring important questions from potential customers is really not a good sign for new potential curomers, alpha!
fiaz, you did one already..? LOL
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Clueless!
well if you did paypal with a credit card (amex in my case) you are good for 45 days paypal and 60 days amex

but then again i'll likely pull my order with out more pics and info from their claims before 30 days are up just to be safe

also if they we're legit ...assuming they are NOT organaized enough to get us this info

they could on an act  of good faith extend their "no penalty option" to 60 days or more....

would probably be no big deal because their timeline is JULY

another reason I may bail ..no reason this 1/3 down 1st payment should not be longer then 30days imho for the timeline they posted

anyway my 2c worth

Searing

(sorry BFL curse of bitcoin pre-ordering stuff....you guys may be OK but too many of us we're burnt by BFL and others don't ya know)

P.S. as a side note i have all the equip scattered around the house i need to toss up a GPU miner for litecoin....have it all with a amd card etc
that i can put to this use...that being the case is it worth getting a couple 1000mh cards for say 900 bucks as my only expense to pop this rig up
with 2 of them and the 7950 i have already (also have 1200i power supply corsair to use)...so for the only expense of the 2 other cards say 900 bucks I have a rig?


again only expense is the 900 bucks for the high end other 2 cards (assuming they work with a 7950 sappaire card in the same box)

i'm bored KNC is not releasing any more Jupiters (thus the corsair 1200i) and looking around i have everything else...figured expand my horizoins (burn elec is the more likely result)

thoughts ... advice.......I'm a complete noob on scrypt mining

anyway thanks in advance

we now return to our regularly scheduled program drama "Is Alpha legit or not and/or will it break our little miner hearts" soap opera?

(gets fuzzy blanket and popcorn.....OK go!)

Searing
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From the standpoint of architecture and basic engineering, I find it borderline sci-fi to be reducing the physical footprint of the thermal space by 80%, increasing the density of chips, maintaining the same hashrate, all while reducing the power usage. Can you even do the math on the efficiency factor for that? A+B = Astonishing, that's what it is.

For this to be legit, would be groundbreaking. Not saying it's not legit.. but it was at least realistic during the preorder stage when the system was a full-height case. Kindof hard to believe at this point without so much as a technical drawing..



Yes, schematics, pictures of production, and/or in-depth tech discussions would be helpful and reassuring at this phase. The window for no-penalty cancelation is fast approaching and I'm sure you are going to lose a lot of people without some proof of these, frankly, hard-to-swallow claims.
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So many people in this thread just post knee-jerk replies it's not even funny. Can't we have rational discussion on this forum anymore ?

I agree.

Those of us asking technical quesitons, especially from the angle of engineering probability, are being ignored by the company. I've seen a few rational questions posed to the fellow in the past page or 2 which have been ignored, unless he's simply waiting for a response from the company--in which case, he should say "I have acknowledged these questions and am awaiting response" or something to that affect.
legendary
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I really hope this enterprise fails. Asics would ruin scrypt coin mining, like they ruined bitcoin mining.

I wonder if this sentiment is why there's so much mud slinging in this thread. Some posters seem sincere in their scam fighting, while for most it seems like a blatant attempt to make Alpha T look bad.

Those supporting PoS feel the opposite I'm sure.

True. I'm not supporting anything though. Merely posing a question. Are some poster negative about companies launching scrypt ASICs because they are afraid of it ?

So many people in this thread just post knee-jerk replies it's not even funny. Can't we have rational discussion on this forum anymore ?
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If a derivatives market for something like this exists, I will happily put my money on Alpha Technology not releasing their miner on time.

Expecting some exclamatory news like a fire at the business that "destroyed everything" or a shadowy government intervention that shut them down at some point as we get closer to the release date, but certainly not until they are able to take in a little bit more preorder money!

I hope things pan out and all of what they say is legitimate, it just throws off way too many BS alarms for me. Hopefully Alpha Technology will answer some of the questions asked earlier in this thread either via e-mail or directly in the thread to help clear the air.
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