Already delays in BFL shipment plans? - page 36.

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Quote from: Xian01 on November 04, 2012, 06:04:56 PM

Quote from: fcmatt on November 04, 2012, 02:34:47 PM

So... Is everyone content that you will not see your bfl hardware until 2013?

Natives are getting restless... 2013 shipping would be uncool seeing as how October has come and gone.

And nov and dec are notorious for productivity for americans with two major holidays coming up...
Jan is huge holiday time for asian countries...
Weekends are useless for gaining time when you deal with weekday 9-5 companies. I am unsure if foreign suppliers and their offices do biz on weekends...
When you rely on other companies to produce the things you need without rock solid assurance of the timeline or a big fudge factor you can easily lose a week here and a week there due to one piece of the puzzle being held up. Cough customs cough.

Let alone regulations to actually ship a finished product here in the usa that have to be complied with.

And this IS bfl we are talking about :-)

I will enjoy watching this unfold and will simply get into asics once the dust settles a bit.

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Quote from: fcmatt on November 04, 2012, 02:34:47 PM

So... Is everyone content that you will not see your bfl hardware until 2013?

Natives are getting restless... 2013 shipping would be uncool seeing as how October has come and gone.

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Quote from: abeaulieu on November 04, 2012, 02:43:27 PM

Quote from: fcmatt on November 04, 2012, 02:34:47 PM

So... Is everyone content that you will not see your bfl hardware until 2013?

fcmatt is certainly not bitter because he didn't place an order.

I am not in the habit of giving six plus month loans interest free.

Anyway... I was not the first to gpu mine and i still did just fine. Asic will be no different.

It was a serious question though. Many did calcs based on getting in on 50 btc reward time frame which is quickly slipping away. Now it seems we have 25 block reward and price that is flat for future asic miners. Getting hardware first is becoming uber critcal for quick roi. If all ship in same time frame you essentially swapped gpu for asic with no quick roi as diff will adjust oh so fast instead of slower ramp up due to just bfl hardware coming first.

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Quote from: Jack1Rip1BurnIt on November 04, 2012, 02:47:20 PM

Quote from: fcmatt on November 04, 2012, 02:34:47 PM

So... Is everyone content that you will not see your bfl hardware until 2013?

Pretty much. Celebrate if we get them sonner but dont count on it so you wont be dissapointed when iit doesn't happen.

People actually paid money so they can not count on it.

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I'll certainly be around to say: I told you that too.

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Quote from: fcmatt on November 04, 2012, 02:34:47 PM

So... Is everyone content that you will not see your bfl hardware until 2013?

Haven't heard anyone of importance stating that, sofar.

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Quote from: fcmatt on November 04, 2012, 02:34:47 PM

So... Is everyone content that you will not see your bfl hardware until 2013?

Pretty much. Celebrate if we get them sonner but dont count on it so you wont be dissapointed when iit doesn't happen.

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Quote from: fcmatt on November 04, 2012, 02:34:47 PM

So... Is everyone content that you will not see your bfl hardware until 2013?

i fell asleep on the couch earlyer and dremt my pre orders had just arrived.... man it SUCKS too wake up sometimes lol

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Quote from: fcmatt on November 04, 2012, 02:34:47 PM

So... Is everyone content that you will not see your bfl hardware until 2013?

fcmatt is certainly not bitter because he didn't place an order.

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So... Is everyone content that you will not see your bfl hardware until 2013?

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Quote from: niko on November 01, 2012, 09:56:51 AM

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Quote from: Phinnaeus Gage on November 01, 2012, 08:58:40 AM

But if you get it to vibrate, a whole new client base will pre-order the device, albeit LadyBytes, et al., will prefer to have it renamed Pepino.

That kind of fits. There's already a popular device of that nature called the butterfly.

There must be a way to hash mechanically... A steampunk miner/vibrator. It's OrgASMIC! (Application-Specific Mining Integrated Circuit)

I'd buy one...

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Quote from: abeaulieu on November 01, 2012, 10:55:13 AM

Quote from: ElectricMucus on November 01, 2012, 10:00:12 AM

Quote from: Soros Shorts on November 01, 2012, 08:13:42 AM

Quote from: abeaulieu on November 01, 2012, 08:03:11 AM

Quote from: niko on November 01, 2012, 12:01:10 AM

I guarantee 4.5W of power can heat up a cup of coffee. Hell, you could even get water to boil! All that's needed is a little add-on gadget: a perfectly insulating tent. It's a box made of styrofoam, with IR-reflective coating on the inside. It's got inductively coupled connection for electrical power, and a wireless data passthrough. Open the box. Place your Jalapeno inside and hook it up. Place the cup on top. Close the lid and seal the box. Establish the connection and start mining. After a week or so you will have mined 0.07 bitcoins, boiled a cup of water, and fried a jalapeno. Quite an accomplishment.

It's not 4.5W of thermal energy. It's 4.5W of electrical energy. So it largely depends on the efficiency of the components they are using.

You lose power in 3 main places of these designs: AC to DC conversion (line voltage to input, so this doesn't apply to the jalapeno), the power supply section (converting from input voltage to the supply voltages), and the high frequency computation (in this case the ASIC chips).

That being said, only a fraction of that power will pop out as heat.

So what happens to the rest? I don't believe that hashes can be considered as "work" under the First Law of Thermodynamics.

Exactly.

Short of electromagnetic losses and losses due to induction which are marginal under the circumstances of a IC all of the energy consumed by a chip will end as heat one way or the other.

True, electromagnetic energy loss is quite small compared to thermal energy lost. Light, even just a blinking LED, is actually more substantial. I guess what I meant to say is the heat you're generating will not be concentrated in a fashion that easily lends way to heating a cup of coffee, but I could be wrong.

Most small display LEDs are going to be run at a few milliwatts, and even then the actual output of light will be lower. Only a fraction of the power will end up as heat, but it will be a very, very large fraction.

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Quote from: ElectricMucus on November 01, 2012, 10:00:12 AM

Quote from: Soros Shorts on November 01, 2012, 08:13:42 AM

Quote from: abeaulieu on November 01, 2012, 08:03:11 AM

Quote from: niko on November 01, 2012, 12:01:10 AM

I guarantee 4.5W of power can heat up a cup of coffee. Hell, you could even get water to boil! All that's needed is a little add-on gadget: a perfectly insulating tent. It's a box made of styrofoam, with IR-reflective coating on the inside. It's got inductively coupled connection for electrical power, and a wireless data passthrough. Open the box. Place your Jalapeno inside and hook it up. Place the cup on top. Close the lid and seal the box. Establish the connection and start mining. After a week or so you will have mined 0.07 bitcoins, boiled a cup of water, and fried a jalapeno. Quite an accomplishment.

It's not 4.5W of thermal energy. It's 4.5W of electrical energy. So it largely depends on the efficiency of the components they are using.

You lose power in 3 main places of these designs: AC to DC conversion (line voltage to input, so this doesn't apply to the jalapeno), the power supply section (converting from input voltage to the supply voltages), and the high frequency computation (in this case the ASIC chips).

That being said, only a fraction of that power will pop out as heat.

So what happens to the rest? I don't believe that hashes can be considered as "work" under the First Law of Thermodynamics.

Exactly.

Short of electromagnetic losses and losses due to induction which are marginal under the circumstances of a IC all of the energy consumed by a chip will end as heat one way or the other.

True, electromagnetic energy loss is quite small compared to thermal energy lost. Light, even just a blinking LED, is actually more substantial. I guess what I meant to say is the heat you're generating will not be concentrated in a fashion that easily lends way to heating a cup of coffee, but I could be wrong.

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Quote from: Soros Shorts on November 01, 2012, 08:13:42 AM

Quote from: abeaulieu on November 01, 2012, 08:03:11 AM

Quote from: niko on November 01, 2012, 12:01:10 AM

I guarantee 4.5W of power can heat up a cup of coffee. Hell, you could even get water to boil! All that's needed is a little add-on gadget: a perfectly insulating tent. It's a box made of styrofoam, with IR-reflective coating on the inside. It's got inductively coupled connection for electrical power, and a wireless data passthrough. Open the box. Place your Jalapeno inside and hook it up. Place the cup on top. Close the lid and seal the box. Establish the connection and start mining. After a week or so you will have mined 0.07 bitcoins, boiled a cup of water, and fried a jalapeno. Quite an accomplishment.

It's not 4.5W of thermal energy. It's 4.5W of electrical energy. So it largely depends on the efficiency of the components they are using.

You lose power in 3 main places of these designs: AC to DC conversion (line voltage to input, so this doesn't apply to the jalapeno), the power supply section (converting from input voltage to the supply voltages), and the high frequency computation (in this case the ASIC chips).

That being said, only a fraction of that power will pop out as heat.

So what happens to the rest? I don't believe that hashes can be considered as "work" under the First Law of Thermodynamics.

Exactly.

Short of electromagnetic losses and losses due to induction which are marginal under the circumstances of a IC all of the energy consumed by a chip will end as heat one way or the other.

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Quote from: Fjordbit on November 01, 2012, 09:38:03 AM

Quote from: Phinnaeus Gage on November 01, 2012, 08:58:40 AM

But if you get it to vibrate, a whole new client base will pre-order the device, albeit LadyBytes, et al., will prefer to have it renamed Pepino.

That kind of fits. There's already a popular device of that nature called the butterfly.

There must be a way to hash mechanically... A steampunk miner/vibrator. It's OrgASMIC! (Application-Specific Mining Integrated Circuit)

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Quote from: Phinnaeus Gage on November 01, 2012, 08:58:40 AM

But if you get it to vibrate, a whole new client base will pre-order the device, albeit LadyBytes, et al., will prefer to have it renamed Pepino.

That kind of fits. There's already a popular device of that nature called the butterfly.

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Quote from: Shermo on November 01, 2012, 08:15:26 AM

It will all be heat, unless it produces light or sound? Huh

But if you get it to vibrate, a whole new client base will pre-order the device, albeit LadyBytes, et al., will prefer to have it renamed Pepino.

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It will all be heat, unless it produces light or sound? Huh

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Quote from: abeaulieu on November 01, 2012, 08:03:11 AM

Quote from: niko on November 01, 2012, 12:01:10 AM

I guarantee 4.5W of power can heat up a cup of coffee. Hell, you could even get water to boil! All that's needed is a little add-on gadget: a perfectly insulating tent. It's a box made of styrofoam, with IR-reflective coating on the inside. It's got inductively coupled connection for electrical power, and a wireless data passthrough. Open the box. Place your Jalapeno inside and hook it up. Place the cup on top. Close the lid and seal the box. Establish the connection and start mining. After a week or so you will have mined 0.07 bitcoins, boiled a cup of water, and fried a jalapeno. Quite an accomplishment.

It's not 4.5W of thermal energy. It's 4.5W of electrical energy. So it largely depends on the efficiency of the components they are using.

You lose power in 3 main places of these designs: AC to DC conversion (line voltage to input, so this doesn't apply to the jalapeno), the power supply section (converting from input voltage to the supply voltages), and the high frequency computation (in this case the ASIC chips).

That being said, only a fraction of that power will pop out as heat.

So what happens to the rest? I don't believe that hashes can be considered as "work" under the First Law of Thermodynamics.

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Quote from: niko on November 01, 2012, 12:01:10 AM

I guarantee 4.5W of power can heat up a cup of coffee. Hell, you could even get water to boil! All that's needed is a little add-on gadget: a perfectly insulating tent. It's a box made of styrofoam, with IR-reflective coating on the inside. It's got inductively coupled connection for electrical power, and a wireless data passthrough. Open the box. Place your Jalapeno inside and hook it up. Place the cup on top. Close the lid and seal the box. Establish the connection and start mining. After a week or so you will have mined 0.07 bitcoins, boiled a cup of water, and fried a jalapeno. Quite an accomplishment.

It's not 4.5W of thermal energy. It's 4.5W of electrical energy. So it largely depends on the efficiency of the components they are using.

You lose power in 3 main places of these designs: AC to DC conversion (line voltage to input, so this doesn't apply to the jalapeno), the power supply section (converting from input voltage to the supply voltages), and the high frequency computation (in this case the ASIC chips).

That being said, only a fraction of that power will pop out as heat.

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