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October 26, 2012, 02:33:32 AM
#44
You fellers are bringin' the perty music to my ears. Grin

If BFL is that late and bASIC units ship on schedule, then their owners will have paid off units in weeks.
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October 26, 2012, 01:33:42 AM
#43
1) They haven't yet put the PCB boards together at the fab house they are using. This is assuming that the fab house is in charge of integrating/assembling the entire board and not just the PCB without the ASIC chips. If this is the case, then forget about November.

2) They have assembled the PCB boards at the outsourced fab house despite not having the ASICs on hand, but lack the chips which will be done in house or sent to the outsourced Fab house once again. (Does this imply it will be done in-house with the new equipment they have on hand...can anyone see further delays as they learn how to use the equipment?)


Which it is, is anyones guess...
I would be shocked if it wasn't scenario 1. It would make no sense to completely populate the boards other than the ASICs and then tack on the ASICs as they arrive. The difference to a large board house with all the parts on hand between completely populating the bare boards vs only adding the eight chips is going to be small if it exists at all.

I agree: scenario 1 is the only possible, it's a nonsense weld all the smd components and then add another 8 smd in second time. And with the experience I've had of some other similar project there will be to expect at least 3-4 weeks from the shipment of the chips to the final assembly and testing of the PCB. So at least 5-6 weeks before it will be shipped to customer if they ship directly from the fab or 1-2 weeks more otherwise. So we are at December/January if the chips will be shipped in few days
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October 25, 2012, 05:05:25 PM
#42
1) They haven't yet put the PCB boards together at the fab house they are using. This is assuming that the fab house is in charge of integrating/assembling the entire board and not just the PCB without the ASIC chips. If this is the case, then forget about November.

2) They have assembled the PCB boards at the outsourced fab house despite not having the ASICs on hand, but lack the chips which will be done in house or sent to the outsourced Fab house once again. (Does this imply it will be done in-house with the new equipment they have on hand...can anyone see further delays as they learn how to use the equipment?)


Which it is, is anyones guess...
I would be shocked if it wasn't scenario 1. It would make no sense to completely populate the boards other than the ASICs and then tack on the ASICs as they arrive. The difference to a large board house with all the parts on hand between completely populating the bare boards vs only adding the eight chips is going to be small if it exists at all.
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October 25, 2012, 04:56:08 PM
#41
@ PsiLan

Thanks for the update.

----> Here is the disturbing part <----

BFL_Josh: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/showthread.php/104-Shipping-in-2-3-weeks?p=1461&viewfull=1#post1461 on 10-09-2012.
Quote from: BFL_Josh;3000
We are not going to be shipping the first week of November, I can definitely say that.  We are waiting on the bulk chips from the foundry, that is really the major delay right now.  As soon as that dam breaks loose, we pretty much have everything else either ready to go or in the pipeline to be completed shortly.

Q: when

Quote from: BFL_Josh;3004
They are not done yet.  We are paying for what's called a "bullet run" though, which is essentially an expedited process to get the chips done sooner.

> From BFL forums
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/showthread.php/104-Shipping-in-2-3-weeks/page8
They haven't received the chips from the foundry yet....meaning one of several possibilities:

1) They haven't yet put the PCB boards together at the fab house they are using. This is assuming that the fab house is in charge of integrating/assembling the entire board and not just the PCB without the ASIC chips. If this is the case, then forget about November.

2) They have assembled the PCB boards at the outsourced fab house despite not having the ASICs on hand, but lack the chips which will be done in house or sent to the outsourced Fab house once again. (Does this imply it will be done in-house with the new equipment they have on hand...can anyone see further delays as they learn how to use the equipment?)

BFL_Josh: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/showthread.php/104-Shipping-in-2-3-weeks?p=1461&viewfull=1#post1461 ib 10-09-2012.
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Ok, so we have the cats herded, the specs staked out, now we have to actually build these things. As many of you know, we've purchased SMT machines to allow us to manufacture our own boards - and I have mentioned this before, but many have not heard it - we will not be using the SMT equipment to process our first batch of boards; we will be using the same house that did the pick and place for our previous generation products, which means we're still at the mercy of someone else for our first batch shipments. There has been some delays at that stage, but we have the padding, so it's not been a critical issue. There has also been some delays at the foundry, but again, we have padding, so it's not been a critical issue. We are also paying for an expedited run at the foundry (which does not come cheap) to keep our timeline up. All these things have to work out perfectly and our timeline is still looking good. However, if something does not work out perfectly, our timeline is going to slip, plain and simple. We've used up most of our padding at this point and we are still ironing out a few little wrinkles here and there. This has been a long explanation for a simple answer: I would like to tell you we are still on time or pretty close to it, because we are. However, I would also like to tell you that we are going to slip a couple weeks or so if anything goes wrong, and given the complexity of the issues facing us, I would say it's almost inevitable something will crop up between now and the beginning of November that we are not expecting; What that is, I don't know yet, but I would rather error on the side of caution, say the timeline is going to slip a little bit and then surprise everyone with an early delivery than promise an early delivery and not meet that promise. So that's what I'm doing and there's your answer. When I have more information, I'll let people know as soon as I can.

So does this mean scenario 1 or scenario 2?

Either way, like he said, weeks of extra delay. That means the shipping won't start anytime soon if they send the ASIC chips to the fab house. It may also mean they haven't yet started assembling the boards in quantity.

It all depends on who is doing what in the pipeline of assembly. It could be that BFL has hired their fab house [only] for basic board assembly and they (BFL) put the chips in themselves. Or the fab house could be doing everything which implies the boards are still just parts in a bin.

Which it is, is anyones guess...
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October 25, 2012, 04:24:07 PM
#40
Quote from: BFL_Josh;3000
We are not going to be shipping the first week of November, I can definitely say that.  We are waiting on the bulk chips from the foundry, that is really the major delay right now.  As soon as that dam breaks loose, we pretty much have everything else either ready to go or in the pipeline to be completed shortly.

Q: when

Quote from: BFL_Josh;3004
They are not done yet.  We are paying for what's called a "bullet run" though, which is essentially an expedited process to get the chips done sooner.

> From BFL forums
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/showthread.php/104-Shipping-in-2-3-weeks/page8
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October 24, 2012, 07:50:42 AM
#39
Moth......a..RIE...yaa...........Moth.......a...RIE....

OMFG thanks for getting that stuck in my headAngry

It is still stuck in mine............dammit! Grin
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October 24, 2012, 12:56:14 AM
#38
Moth......a..RIE...yaa...........Moth.......a...RIE....

OMFG thanks for getting that stuck in my headAngry
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October 23, 2012, 09:43:28 PM
#37
Now that is a scary bug
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October 22, 2012, 06:05:29 PM
#36
Moth......a..RIE...yaa...........Moth.......a...RIE....
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October 22, 2012, 05:00:26 PM
#35
As a late comer my order was scheduled for January shipping

Where did you get that information? I didn't think they'd be making any schedules/promises especially on later orders.
somewhere a link for personal scheduling time?
TIA

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/showthread.php/188-Information-from-Bitcoin-Magazine?p=2636&viewfull=1#post2636

Got the link from this guy:

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October 22, 2012, 03:59:35 PM
#34
As a late comer my order was scheduled for January shipping

Where did you get that information? I didn't think they'd be making any schedules/promises especially on later orders.
somewhere a link for personal scheduling time?
TIA
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October 22, 2012, 02:58:53 PM
#33
Is this not the exact same thing that happened with BFL and their FPGA's ? Did they not continue to push back the ship date? and then the performance specs?

Yep, and I find their power specs to be a bit tough to take. Obviously they won't deliver exactly 1Gh/watt(at the wall) across their entire ASIC product line.
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October 22, 2012, 11:05:08 AM
#32
Is this not the exact same thing that happened with BFL and their FPGA's ? Did they not continue to push back the ship date? and then the performance specs?
I'd say this is different, cuz they've already upped the performance specs from the initial announcement.
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October 22, 2012, 10:58:00 AM
#31
Is this not the exact same thing that happened with BFL and their FPGA's ? Did they not continue to push back the ship date? and then the performance specs?
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October 22, 2012, 09:23:33 AM
#30
As a late comer my order was scheduled for January shipping

Where did you get that information? I didn't think they'd be making any schedules/promises especially on later orders.
legendary
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October 22, 2012, 08:09:48 AM
#29
It was pushed so far into November its scheduled for November 25th 2013

Hey, just in time for my Birthday!
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October 22, 2012, 12:44:01 AM
#28
As a late comer my order was scheduled for January shipping
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October 21, 2012, 11:37:06 PM
#27
Got a link?
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October 21, 2012, 11:28:28 PM
#26
Statement from Josh/BFL:
We wanted to cover the bases with the Bitcoin Mag article, so we pushed the shipment date out.

With regards to an updated shipping schedule, we are waiting on some information with regards to the bulk shipment of our ASIC chips. Once we get a confirmed date on the bulk shipment, I will have a pretty solid idea of exactly when we will start shipping, but until I have a more exact date with regards to the chips, I can't give a better estimate. Once we have the chips in hand it will take a couple days to get them pushed through our pick and place house and then ready to be shipped out. Chances are, either I or someone else from BFL will be going in person to be sure each step is executed as quickly as possible and to handle any unexpected contingencies that might crop up.

At this point, though, I very seriously doubt we'll make the end of October. How far into November that is pushed I should know sometime soon (this week, I hope).



It was pushed so far into November its scheduled for November 25th 2013
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October 21, 2012, 10:49:41 PM
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Statement from Josh/BFL:
We wanted to cover the bases with the Bitcoin Mag article, so we pushed the shipment date out.

With regards to an updated shipping schedule, we are waiting on some information with regards to the bulk shipment of our ASIC chips. Once we get a confirmed date on the bulk shipment, I will have a pretty solid idea of exactly when we will start shipping, but until I have a more exact date with regards to the chips, I can't give a better estimate. Once we have the chips in hand it will take a couple days to get them pushed through our pick and place house and then ready to be shipped out. Chances are, either I or someone else from BFL will be going in person to be sure each step is executed as quickly as possible and to handle any unexpected contingencies that might crop up.

At this point, though, I very seriously doubt we'll make the end of October. How far into November that is pushed I should know sometime soon (this week, I hope).
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