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legendary
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June 07, 2014, 11:26:33 AM
#94
Just got off the phone with the Jenkintown's PD, and they're taking Joshua's threat toward me rather serious and wanted me to confirm that if this were to go to trial would I be willing to travel to PA to testify, of which I replied in the affirmative.

I'm sure that Joshua Zipkin will go outta his way and explain to the officer that I'm sort of WHAT NUT.

Josh Zipkin has nobody to blame but himself for fucking up his company and now his life (personal/financially, not to mention that of his two partners).

If, by chance, Josh claims that some other person at AMT penned the threat, I will then demand that his computers be confiscated to verify who said what when.

~Bruno Kucinskas
legendary
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June 07, 2014, 08:38:42 AM
#93
So before amt fucks you for second time please take a few mom nets to read this
I am expecting this to be deleted soon from amt official thread.
So it might look like a spam but...it is extremely important
Here is the story
What do you guys think about this Novello Technologies?
Who asks boys  Grin
Their face book likes rating sucks Grin so they are not to be trusted Grin
As I said my initial consulting fee is 10 btc Grin

loshia... I think you should leave this thread.

you are no help.  you are an amateur has never been involved in manufacturing.... so get lost.

never heard of Novello, but at least they take the effort to write a long prospectus.
Same like josh. He is writing a lot Grin
I am leving boys ....
By the way do amt have enough issues before asking you what do you think about Novello?
And who gives a fuck about it you have miners and refunds to peruse
Good luck and hurry up give all what was left from Amt scam to Novello  Grin and fill Josh pocket again
 Grin
Wish you luck boys
Josh take their money once again Grin Josh I am with you bud go and nail them Grin
Actually as I see things you are not needing my consulting services anymore. There are a plenty of folks who will spent money on your name. Just be straight and start over again. There is no need to hide behind Novello  Wink
legendary
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June 06, 2014, 06:14:29 AM
#92
A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by the starter of a self-moderated topic. There are no rules of self-moderation, so this deletion cannot be appealed. Do not continue posting in this topic if the topic-starter has requested that you leave.

You can create a new topic if you are unsatisfied with this one. If the topic-starter is scamming, post about it in Scam Accusations.


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Quote from: AMT_miners on June 05, 2014, 04:37:24 PM

You are one of the main reasons we are all in this mess. Go back to your corner and stop annoying the hell out of your counsel.

This is funny, I actually thought the main reasons for you being in this mess was your decision to:
-use an extremely risky business model to fund the start up
-fail to follow through with statements/promises/claims
-"abuse" your clients in a public venue
-illegally withhold refunds
-ignore customers and not provide real updates, you even decided to ignore a number of customers who were actively trying to resolve the problems with you
-what ever else I missed!!!

That user doesn't even factor into the equation, you still can't see that and that right there guys is the main reason you're eating a big old nasty shit sandwich.

You want investomers to look at it from your point of view, how about you look at it from theirs for a second.  If you honestly do, it should be of little surprise to you that some folks took what was surely perceived as the only legal way to get anything done, YOU left them no choice.

Making statements like this makes me believe you've learned nothing from the shit storm you're in.  You're full of shit IMO and have no chance of fixing this and coming out of it with a thriving business.
legendary
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June 06, 2014, 04:32:04 AM
#91
That was just deleted from AMT thread
good work Josh Grin

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Plow time? So you want to plow us now? Careful now, that can be misconstrued as sexual harassment buddy. God knows we have the voicemails left on Josh's phone from your number threatening his family. "where's my money josh, i'm gonna come get you, i'm gonna come into your home and find you where you sleep, i'm gonna get you!".

Either Red Bull is a dangerous drug causing people to refer to themselves in the third person, or there's a second deranged character loose at AMT.

Speaking of threatening boys (AMT) i am wandering what happened to Your PM's sent to Phinnaeus Grin
Or you call this a friendly advise Grin
Phin Invited you officially to visit him. Right Zipkin? And despite of you Zipkin, Phin does not need a bodyguard army right?
So when you threat people what do you expect in return? Phin and other folks to shit into their pants and bring you official apology because they ruined your name and business Grin Grin Grin
It is about time for you Zipkin to START TO think what you write here and how you treat people who lost a tons of money because of YOU!. They just do not care who fucked you IMET, Chinese or you did this to your company with your stupidity and INCOMPETENCE Grin
You are the one responsible for this and you took their money not IMET or Chinese suppliers!!!
As i said many times keep your ass in good health because you gonna need it in jail Grin
You are heading to jail for sure. It might be during your next business ventures unrelated to bitcoin but  jail is waiting for you. So once again make sure your precious MASON ass is in good health when you end up there sooner or later  Grin Grin Grin Grin
And remember do not be afraid when someone threats you Wink
Threats are coming from the cowards only! This applies to both YOU (AMT) and your customers if you speak the truth that  someone is treating you (Highly Unlikely), So boys (AMT customers) i am sorry to say that but if you do relay threatening AMT this makes YOU same ass halls like Josha!!! Beides Joshua is the only one responsible for the situation, not his wife, relatives or employees which do not exist Grin Do not do that!!!!! The shithole where AMT are in is so deep so it is just a meter of time for Joshua to get drown!!!! Lave this to him he will do the dirty job instead of YOU. Do not get your hands dirty. It is just not worth it!!!

The folks who act do not speak/write too much. And as long you POSERKO (Joshua) keeps posting his bullshit over and over the chance to feel a sudden ass pain is getting bigger and bigger. And it will happen much sooner before he gets drown into his own shits!
Trust me Wink
10 BTC BET Wink

PS: sorry boys i broke my promise and posted again.....I am doing my best to stay out of it but .......
hero member
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May 16, 2014, 11:25:54 AM
#90
You missed alot man. They are pretty much not responding to anything any more because of the lawsuit it appears. Right now we (users) have been helping each other out trying to get the miners working on our own. Keep an eye on the main thread for that. We wont know anything about the lawsuit until its over.
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May 16, 2014, 11:21:53 AM
#89
Hi guys im back been a while since my last post here, you may remember that i did finally recieve a 520ghs miner from amt order number #1450,
you may also remember the poor condition it arrived in and the fact that it didnt even mine, 1 chip even burnt out on 1 card, well since then i have been promised time and time again a replacement product by joshua himself, it has been several weeks now and i have not received anything from amt, i was promised a shipping label to send the faulty miner back this was nearly 2 weeks ago, still nothing, so i would like to make everybody aware that they need to stay the hell away from amt and do not purchase a miner from them, they have no customer service and can certainly not handle returns.
ive basically been robbed over $3999 or £2800 have been wasted on this miner, i cannot believe it, i could seriously do with that money and instead its sat in amts pocket while i got sent a pile of junk, BE WARNED GUYS LEARN FROM MY MISTAKE, OH AND I ALSO HAVE MR JOSHUAS PERSONAL SKYPE IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO GET HOLD OF HIM PM ME
I HOPE YOU GUYS GET TO READ THIS BEFORE ITS CENSORED AWAY BY AMT#

Also does anyone have the details of this law firm that are dealing with amt?
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May 10, 2014, 11:40:33 PM
#88
I honestly want to sit back and watch where this one goes.....I have been way too active....more so than I wanted to be. I just wanted my miners lol. And maybe in the process help people get theirs too.
legendary
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May 10, 2014, 08:37:32 PM
#87
Do you happen to know why they had even chosen to reply to people in a forum and not directly to their customers via email? I have an order with 2 1.2th miners. Gee if they even send me some competitor's hardware which is cheaper now id be happy.

A forum is a public arena, it seems that here they get a better understand of who's order is what and who's order they can fulfill directly without offering up settlement options via their website. It seems that if they were to email all their clients (some in the class action) then again it would result in a problem, because again that would be settling outside of the class which the other lawyers don't seem to like.  Sad  <-  Frowny face.

I am only a client of AMT, but my suggestion is to email AMT with what you'd propose as a form of settlement for your order, from the above options which I overheard while sitting in their office.

Again - my name is Mr. Swim, my order # is 333.




A nice little self-moderated thread you have here, already deleting my first comment showing proof that no way in hell you could have order #333 and waiting for a miner from AMT.
legendary
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May 10, 2014, 08:35:22 PM
#86
As far as I'm concerned, Joshua Zipkin created himself a fuckin' sockpuppet:

This is an open thread, to discuss AMT Miners, also known as Advanced Mining Technologies inc which has been created by me, i am a concerned client of AMT, and I plan to take an initiative in helping to get the to the bottom of the current situation.

My name is: Mr. Swim
My order number is: #333


I'm on record for being the first to call bullshit on the #333 order number: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/amt-order-list-463922

It's definitely not a 1.2 TH/s rig and it's not an is #333. The it is is a was #333.

Speaking of 3s, here's an image of 33 Bulgarian Freemasons:




...somebody's making Joshua Zipkin squeal like a pig that he is.
legendary
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May 10, 2014, 05:25:15 PM
#85
http://www.chimicles.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/AMT-Bitcoin-Complaint-for-CT-website.pdf

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61. It was not until February 27, 2014, that Plaintiff Urbanek received a response
from Defendants. The email claimed that “the entire team is in the manufacturing facility day
and night – testing, building, adjusting and so on.” The email failed to supply a revised
shipment date, but rather informed Plaintiff Urbanek that Defendants would keep him posted on
the shipment of his miners as they move down the waiting list

We know this is a lie because AMT only had access to the facilities they assembled miners at during normal business hours and only 5 days a week.
legendary
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May 10, 2014, 05:17:36 PM
#84
Dear AMT customers/clients/followers.

We write to inform you that due to the pending class action, Lenell et al. v. Advanced Mining Technology, Inc., No. 14-cv-01924 (E.D.Pa.), we will no longer be communicating on the Bitcoin Talk Forum per the advice of our attorneys. We are still working towards resolving all outstanding customer complaints in conjunction with our counsel. Please note that customers may still contact us directly to  discuss issues with their orders, but we will be unable to use the forum as a means of communication regarding specific orders or the pending litigation. You may contact us by phone at 855-866-6463 or by email at [email protected] .  We will still handle individual communications regarding orders within the ordinary course of business.

It still amazes me how you keep spelling the name of your company incorrectly.

legendary
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May 10, 2014, 05:16:55 PM
#83
Dear AMT customers/clients/followers.

We write to inform you that due to the pending class action, Lenell et al. v. Advanced Mining Technology, Inc., No. 14-cv-01924 (E.D.Pa.), we will no longer be communicating on the Bitcoin Talk Forum per the advice of our attorneys. We are still working towards resolving all outstanding customer complaints in conjunction with our counsel. Please note that customers may still contact us directly to  discuss issues with their orders, but we will be unable to use the forum as a means of communication regarding specific orders or the pending litigation. You may contact us by phone at 855-866-6463 or by email at [email protected] .  We will still handle individual communications regarding orders within the ordinary course of business.

Did your attorney say it was okay to delete relevant documents from sources you control, i.e. this thread? I'm just asking in case this thread is needed for the jury trial.

BTW, if you delete this post, it probably will be the first one presented to the judge. I'm just saying.

~Bruno Kucinskas

PS: You owe me $40,000 USD - and counting - for not taking down that YouTube video of me, in which you claim it shows proof that I support AMT to help you garner more sales, of which is not the case.
hero member
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May 10, 2014, 10:32:00 AM
#82
Dude a simple tax investigation against AMT and their famous Genno's stakes will bring Zipkin ass to jail guaranteed  Wink
All Capone story when everything fails this works for sure Grin
But Zipkin is paying taxes and not hiding anything right poserko Grin

How would AMT pays state taxes when they're not registered with the state to do business in PA.
They have to pay taxes somewhere for sure Wink
And they shall give you invoices also or at least that is how business works in Europe
When you buy something you get receipt or paper official document  proving your payment with the goods


Actually I think the action for discovery will show there will be a mess. This is why they cant change their site right now. Any action on that front without the approval of the court will mean hiding evidence. If I had to guess they are in the middle of getting a bunch of information from AMT to find out how to properly settle this. That said there are alot of other routes that can be taken. And appear to be taken. The FBI investigating them has been mentioned in the main thread...and its possible because of the investomer concept, it could run afoul of SEC regulations. Even if they aren't just having that on record that they were investigated by them is a bad thing on its own.

The problem is the longer they drag this out and procrastinate making us whole....the worse its going to get.
legendary
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May 09, 2014, 01:02:42 PM
#81
Dude a simple tax investigation against AMT and their famous Genno's stakes will bring Zipkin ass to jail guaranteed  Wink
All Capone story when everything fails this works for sure Grin
But Zipkin is paying taxes and not hiding anything right poserko Grin

How would AMT pays state taxes when they're not registered with the state to do business in PA.
They have to pay taxes somewhere for sure Wink
And they shall give you invoices also or at least that is how business works in Europe
When you buy something you get receipt or paper official document  proving your payment with the goods
legendary
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May 09, 2014, 12:59:47 PM
#80
Dude a simple tax investigation against AMT and their famous Genno's stakes will bring Zipkin ass to jail guaranteed  Wink
All Capone story when everything fails this works for sure Grin
But Zipkin is paying taxes and not hiding anything right poserko Grin

How would AMT pays state taxes when they're not registered with the state to do business in PA.
legendary
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May 09, 2014, 12:33:02 PM
#79
Dude a simple tax investigation against AMT and their famous Genno's stakes will bring Zipkin ass to jail guaranteed  Wink
All Capone story when everything fails this works for sure Grin
But Zipkin is paying taxes and not hiding anything right poserko Grin
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May 09, 2014, 12:18:26 PM
#78
And poserkoto Zipkin is hiding from customers. The promised settlement update is missing?
poserkooooooo as people say the chances  your as to settle directly in jail is getting bigger and bigger
For your own good it is time to come up again with next bullshit in mind Grin
That will be your last attempt so think million times before posting it Grin

They also have another problem they may not be aware of....they are doing business with people who happen to work in finance circles. Some of us know regulatory compliance. SEC does not screw around when it comes to that. They might be buddy buddy with banks, but not so much with anyone else. The fact that our money was used to build their business makes us in a very real sense investors. Sure a lawyer can try to spin the whole investomer term...but there is no legal basis for it. In which case we are investors....And with that definition in mind they have a problem....there are very serious penalties for not following this....context http://www.rotlaw.com/legal-library/what-is-a-fiduciary-duty-what-is-a-business-duty/
In theory those of us with the largest investment in AMT could take over the company as a board of directors and restructure the company.

They created a messy situation that they need to fix ASAP and all the words in the world will do nothing until its backed up by action. Actionable items and a clear plan on how they are going to fix this is the only acceptable option. No more excuses as to why and what. A clear and defined timeline on what to expect and a commited date. As they have a court case its being watched carefully and any further delay just leads to more problems. Anyone have contacts with the SEC? Might be interesting to get an opinion on the investomer thing.
legendary
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May 09, 2014, 11:55:22 AM
#77
And poserkoto Zipkin is hiding from customers. The promised settlement update is missing?
poserkooooooo as people say the chances  your as to settle directly in jail is getting bigger and bigger
For your own good it is time to come up again with next bullshit in mind Grin
That will be your last attempt so think million times before posting it Grin
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May 09, 2014, 11:34:06 AM
#76
so glad we got our refund. what a mess.

Awesome that you got a refund.....that is the equivalent of stepping to the side as the shit hits the fan...bravo Cheesy also your experience in getting a refund sets a precedent that they should be issuing refunds and were discriminatory in who they issued them to. A huge legal mess they are in now with that.

Here's the thing though,  he got his refund because someone else paid for his unit. 

Which means that AMT will refund you, IF they have the money.   I don't think they have the money.

This type of business model is name after an Italian gentlemen.

Sure sounds like AMT is very shortly going to find out that there is no legal definition for an investomer.  A person is either a customer or an investor and it likely won't be long until AMT finds out the legal rights and the legal recourse for each class of person are VERY different.

Because we gave them money and expected a return on that investment....which is what ROI literally is....and is covered under the MPP...it can easily be argued that we are investors in the company and as such AMT would have a fiduciary duty to provide us with the increase or break even of said investment. Interesting point.....and might be cause for yet another case seeing as the class action covers other aspects of product misrepresentation. As far as it being a Ponzi scheme.....technically its not....I say that because they actually do provide a product flawed and misrepresented as it is, it is indeed a physical product. BUT the investomer concept AND the fact that they refer to giving us an ROI via the MPP they pretty much opened up to the fact that we are in fact investors. It could be argued that way at least in a courtroom with relative ease. But I don't think the current complaint covers that. 

I would have to disagree here, mining hardware is equipment, it isn't an investment asset.   You don't buy mining hardware in the hope you can sell it at a higher price.  In fact, mining hardware depreciates extremely rapidly.

The severest crime I can think of here is federal wire fraud.  Goods where sold without any intention of delivery.

In fact, if you can prove that AMT never had a 1.2 THs that could be delivered, then you can make the case that there was never any intent to deliver.    The key evidence here is the complete absence of a 6 board backplane.  That is the smoking gun in my opinion.

That is real simple to prove the technical stats on the hardware itself. Not what they provide but actual performance. Of course they could cherry pick it and set up special defaults for performance reasons. Its in those situation a technical expert is required. Basically the defaults they were shipping with were 16000:800000:8000 (bitmines) least that was my experience and what led to a miner dying within 5 min. I was lucky to salvage a single card. Now the other side of it is if they did that for some miners and not others it can be easily proven that they sabotaged peoples miners. As apparently the hardware seems to run (when its working) at 16000:750000:2000 (which is AMT's defaults and a VERY low hashrates as well)

They already acknowledged their problems. Which means they were aware of this when sending them out. Our consent to recieving hardware was limited to an assumption we would get working hardware.
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May 08, 2014, 09:06:50 PM
#75
so glad we got our refund. what a mess.

Awesome that you got a refund.....that is the equivalent of stepping to the side as the shit hits the fan...bravo Cheesy also your experience in getting a refund sets a precedent that they should be issuing refunds and were discriminatory in who they issued them to. A huge legal mess they are in now with that.

Here's the thing though,  he got his refund because someone else paid for his unit. 

Which means that AMT will refund you, IF they have the money.   I don't think they have the money.

This type of business model is name after an Italian gentlemen.

Sure sounds like AMT is very shortly going to find out that there is no legal definition for an investomer.  A person is either a customer or an investor and it likely won't be long until AMT finds out the legal rights and the legal recourse for each class of person are VERY different.

Because we gave them money and expected a return on that investment....which is what ROI literally is....and is covered under the MPP...it can easily be argued that we are investors in the company and as such AMT would have a fiduciary duty to provide us with the increase or break even of said investment. Interesting point.....and might be cause for yet another case seeing as the class action covers other aspects of product misrepresentation. As far as it being a Ponzi scheme.....technically its not....I say that because they actually do provide a product flawed and misrepresented as it is, it is indeed a physical product. BUT the investomer concept AND the fact that they refer to giving us an ROI via the MPP they pretty much opened up to the fact that we are in fact investors. It could be argued that way at least in a courtroom with relative ease. But I don't think the current complaint covers that. 

The Ponzi comment was sort of a joke, they are obviously not running a true ponzi, but it's resemblance to one is uncanny.

I really don't think any of these manufacture's want to argue in court or anywhere else they were selling investments.   They are in enough of a shit storm already I doubt they want to get into SEC target range as well.

Right but that point is still very valid....the investment thing might actually be enough, to get the SEC in there. considering that alot of the elements are there, its a possible route...least it will put a stop to this pre-order nonsense and force businesses to actually focus on raising capital for on hand items. All in all these are sadly growing pains of this industry. It might actually be a good thing in the long run for everyone.
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