Topic: And some more delays in BFL shipment plans / no shipment before 14th Jan 2013 - page 15. (Read 22730 times)

Given your ability to predict shipping dates it is quite ludicrous as you say

@ Slok

Actually, if you want, you can pester Avalon about the hard questions. I'll back you up. I am interested in the info. As long as you have a good line of questioning, I'll follow through.

From what I saw on the chart, it's true what you claim. (assuming we both understood the chart correctly?)

The chart shows that the divergence between rigs really starts at about 2.5 years from now.

At which point the operating cost becomes relevant because the devices cost as much as they produce. (sort of like an equilibrium being reached). If I recall the charts colors from memory, they implied that BFL's device has a life span of about 6 more months than that of the Avalon. (marginal profit of course)

So taken into that context, its not the rainbows we see painted for us in the sales pitch. But there is a rainbow in there...somewhere.

Well, you do have a point. My avatar does not enter me into any contests. I don't get any free stuff promised to me by a vendor at the end of the week.

Nor has Avalon ever promised me any incentives (unfortunately).

Do you think if I entered into the contest for a BFL little Single Josh would allow it? I technically no longer qualify as a human being you know!

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As for whether your tone would change if you did drop out of the free lottery, I unfortunately do not have any idea. I can only assume a free device may change your opinions and bias, but I do not know that for sure. (people are different from one another)

If Avalon had a raffle I would probably be in it. Would I talk about them any better than say Tom? I dunno. Does talking about a company shadyness disqualify people in these contests? I ask them (Avalon) the same questions (or intend to) as I ask Josh or that of Tom.

They [Avalon] are kind of tame in their responses though. Not nearly as interesting or inventive. Not much in terms of rebuttals, scathing attacks or anything like that sort. They just answer the question and seemingly don't change their story every month.

They are pretty boring folk now that I think of it.

You are talking about organoforti's charts, before that I showed a 60watt Single even making profit/making power cost back at 1000x difficulty, organoforti showed it even gave one at over a billion times! A 400watt unit stops giving roi/making power cost back around 150x increase. About 6 times less.

My sig, btw, is a lottery ticket for the weekly draw for a free little Single. Do you really think my tone or content of my posts would differ without it? Does your avatar stops you from making sense? (Now I'm not saying you make any, most of the time my opinion is you don't!  )

@ Slok/Dob

I am looking at your sigs and that pretty much says it all to me. Dob is freaking out, reason unknown.

@ Slok

To officially get back to you. The charts that were kindly posted [by another user on BitcoinTalk.org] roughly showed (assuming I read it right?) that an Avalon ROI was in about 2.5 months.

Though that seems like good news. I am very skeptical until I see the actual real world numbers. Some people are optimistic and other are not nearly as optimistic. It depends what the conditions ultimately are when you get your preferred device. I am the type of person who assumes the worst, but hopes for the best.

Now that I have gotten back to you on that, you can't hold it over my head any longer. Your view of ROI is optimistic. Mine is pessimistic. Hopefully we can agree on that much.

A lot, that's why he started with "[Speculative post]". Or fits "probably" and "highly unlikely, but...." in every second sentence, or similar words. "bfl asic roi takes forever", show the calculation it doesn't and you get "I'll get back to you", or some similar escape, and never see him back . So save yourselves a lot of time, there's an ignore button under every user's name.


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It's THEIR business, not yours.  They can do WHATEVER THE FUCK they want in regards to shipment resells.

What's so hard to understand?!

The question I would pose is, can a BFL rep actually avoid answering it?

If he won't answer my question on the FCC certification, then another customer will. There is no way to escape the question itself. Especially if they aren't certified, it would imply multiple weeks of delays. (And possibly someone reporting them for producing uncertified equipment, implicit fines  possible confiscation etc.)

This is something that has been brought up before and he stated they were already on it.

I am pretty sure most customers would want to know how long they will have to wait after the chips come in.

Most likely the hardware (completed and assembled units) are already certified (somehow?). The BFL rep just needs to say so.

"... in early 2013 they will start shipping to over a thousand customers who placed advance orders."
source: http://www.technologyreview.com/news/508061/custom-chips-could-be-the-shovels-in-a-bitcoin-gold-rush/

this was posted a little while ago

So let me get this straight... you want me to ... wait for it ... predict the future.  Wow, and here I thought the ludicrous, often idiotic demands had reached a frenzied peak, but again you never cease to amaze me with the depths of your stupidity, Syke.  Thank you for pointing out, once again, that some "members" of this forum are always capable of bringing more stupidity than has already come before, no matter how idiotic what has come before is.  Einstein was right...

what, you expect him to answer that?

You are referring to a past event, not a policy that extends into the future. "We always have." is strictly a past event. What about the future? Will every refund request be honored in the future?

No it means they'll say it will take 6 to 8 weeks to get it done, then update you on the non-progress 6 to 8 months later.

Anyway, back on topic.

In the FCC certification thread, Bruno is having a hard time finding the certification for your 4 devices. Could you please assist him in finding it?


Link: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1381506

If it does not exist, does this mean it will take [a delay of] 6 to 8 weeks for you guys to get it done?

Damn, I just lost my status of a human being. I had hoped not to lose it.

How do I get it back? What "truth" must these monkey hands tap out on the keyboard for me to regain my human dignity?

More importantly: Do you take BitCoins to restore my human nature?

Edit: Actually, could you inform the community at large who you think is a (better than average) human being? An ideal and astute individual that you actually like from your customer base. Please call them out by their name so we inspect them and honor them in front of you.

I am extremely curious as to who exactly passes "the sniff test" in your eyes and what their written record is like.

Yes it's true, this quoted boy is an idiot.

What part of this was unclear?



Come around to what?  It's been like that for months.


No. I am explaining to you the current state of events.  You chose to disbelieve me, which is your prerogative.  It does not, however, make you correct.  You very rarely get ANYTHING correct, and this time is no different.  I honestly can't tell if it's from mental incapacity or you do it intentionally just because you like to stir up trouble.  So good on you for being so opaque that you are quite possibly indistinguishable from a monkey banging on a keyboard.

Title of thread is about delays. Bfl already had track record of delays for previous product. Those who thought they would take delivery earlier are prob same people who invested with pirate, lost money on scam websites, invested on glcrapbse,  gamble at satoshi dice, etc... Basically gullible and want to believe everything they hear.

Those that are skeptical or catious or analytical of situations are ridiculed here as idiots. Par for the fucking course in bitcoin land.

I'll keep things simple for you. Can BFL refuse a refund request? Yes or no.

Says one individual in the depths of delusions to another.

Thank you for that. It is "good enough" that you have at least come around.


Aha, feigning ignorance? ( <-- See, it is posed as a question!)

"Total Awesomeness ✓" from the guy who is on top of it all.  

Haha, the idiots are out in force tonight.

Let me just sum up all the responses:

Syke: You're an idiot.  You have no idea what you're talking about, as usual.
PuertoLibre: You, too, are an idiot.  Everything you type is bullshit for the most part.  These past few posts are ridiculous to anyone even partially sane, but I'm sure they make sense to you.

To everyone else:  BFL refunds anyone who asks.  We always have. Yes, the policy on our website is CYA, absolutely, and I have always maintained that.  If you want to sell your order, that's on you.  We won't change the shipping address.  We will verify that someone actually HAS an order with us.  Whether or not they will honor your purchase is Caveat Emptor and if you do not want to assume that risk, ask for a refund.  PuertoLibre's delusions aside, this has been the case for months, if there are instances where a CS rep has changed addresses, a) That rep did it improperly and B) I would like to know about it, as I am unaware of this happening since I came on board and started setting and enforcing company policy.