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December 11, 2019, 06:05:39 AM
Its going to be tough to support ANDY RUIZ in his next fight with this attitude
Andy Ruiz On Anthony Joshua Loss ... I Partied Too Hard and Ate Everything!

"I think I ate everything ... EVERYTHING ... that's why I gained so much weight."
https://www.tmz.com/2019/12/09/andy-ruiz-anthony-joshua-partied-ate-everything-rematch-video-boxing/


That's just an excuse because he got beaten easily by AJ, and maybe trying to get the sympathy of the people here to give him another chance to fight AJ. Boxers like this doesn't deserve the respect of the people, they, look like he was telling that he was not serious on the rematch.

Agree with that, even the legend Manny Pacquiao made an excuse after he got defeated by Mayweather, he told the media that he was fighting with an injury but at least when he fought Mayweather it doesn't look like he loss like what its in the scorecard, this loss of Ruiz was no doubt a clear loss.

Maybe he just have to start moving on and find another opponent where he can knockout so his name will once again come out and be popular and maybe AJ would give him a trilogy if that would happen.
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December 11, 2019, 05:55:37 AM
That is a clickbait article. There might be some truth that Andy Ruiz did not train well and did not have the discipline for the training camp to the latest fight because the money might have made him lazy. However, writing an article that he did it to scam everyone is clickbait.
When you get defeated every fighter will have some sort of excuses, he was not training hard as if someone held him back from training after getting the biggest win of his boxing career, When Anthony Joshua got defeated in the first fight we heard the same excuse that he was not taking the fight seriously, they are fighting for a world title and if they are not serious if the stakes then you cannot blame anyone else.
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December 11, 2019, 04:43:25 AM
Its going to be tough to support ANDY RUIZ in his next fight with this attitude
Andy Ruiz On Anthony Joshua Loss ... I Partied Too Hard and Ate Everything!

"I think I ate everything ... EVERYTHING ... that's why I gained so much weight."
https://www.tmz.com/2019/12/09/andy-ruiz-anthony-joshua-partied-ate-everything-rematch-video-boxing/


That's just an excuse because he got beaten easily by AJ, and maybe trying to get the sympathy of the people here to give him another chance to fight AJ. Boxers like this doesn't deserve the respect of the people, they, look like he was telling that he was not serious on the rematch.
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December 10, 2019, 11:33:29 PM
Do you agree on Yahoo's Kevin Iole article here? Simply short of calling Ruiz deliberately losing this fight? (At least that's why I interpret it).

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Andy Ruiz Jr. took the money and ran.

He took a fight that he had the capability of winning and he squandered it long before he ever made the trek to Saudi Arabia. He acted as if he’d hit the lottery on June 1 when he knocked out Anthony Joshua in the seventh round at Madison Square Garden in New York to win three of the four major heavyweight belts. On Saturday in Saudi Arabia, he paid for that dearly.

“I didn’t prepare how I should have,” Ruiz said. “I gained too much weight, but you know what? I don’t want to give no excuses. He won. He boxed me around. You better [expletive] believe I’m going to get in the [expletive] best shape of my life [for a third fight].”

Well, it’s too late for that.

This was a con job. Andy Ruiz defrauded the public by not even trying to get into shape. And then to say afterward that he’d try harder next time was one of the most galling things a fighter has ever said after a loss.

https://sports.yahoo.com/an-unprepared-overweight-andy-ruiz-jr-will-struggle-to-live-down-his-loss-to-anthony-joshua-000433363.html

Do you think Kevin has a point here, or he is simply over reacting?

That is a clickbait article. There might be some truth that Andy Ruiz did not train well and did not have the discipline for the training camp to the latest fight because the money might have made him lazy. However, writing an article that he did it to scam everyone is clickbait.

If Andy Ruiz is not training well and as a result could not give a good fight to at least entertain the crowd who bought expensive tickets to the fight, then he is indirectly scamming everyone. Giving a less than quality performance due to negligence and less focused-training is a way of scamming fans.

This article is more a conspiracy theory. In boxing however conspiracy theories could be very near to reality.

For the record though, Kevin is a well respected boxing writer and a member of BWA (boxing writer association) that's why I posted the link here and not some random writers out there who would write for click-bait.

So I consider him an insider and well knowledgeable, so it might be a conspiracy theory but yes, could be some truth in it.

In that case, can the article be used to begin a case to sue Andy Ruiz because he scammed the fans or is it only the writer's opinion that Andy scammed?

I'm not a lawyer but I guess one does not have to study law to know that news articles are not evidences. They cannot hold water in court regardless of what is written on it. Well, if the writer himself did the interview, and everything is recorded, and he heard him say that he sold the game to AJ or intentionally skipped regular training rounds to make sure he will not be fit on the fight day, then he could be the witness himself. But then I'm afraid no one will actually sue Andy for being in bad shape, putting up a bad performance, and losing. 
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December 10, 2019, 10:31:03 PM
Its going to be tough to support ANDY RUIZ in his next fight with this attitude
Andy Ruiz On Anthony Joshua Loss ... I Partied Too Hard and Ate Everything!

"I think I ate everything ... EVERYTHING ... that's why I gained so much weight."
https://www.tmz.com/2019/12/09/andy-ruiz-anthony-joshua-partied-ate-everything-rematch-video-boxing/




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December 10, 2019, 09:55:33 PM
Do you agree on Yahoo's Kevin Iole article here? Simply short of calling Ruiz deliberately losing this fight? (At least that's why I interpret it).

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Andy Ruiz Jr. took the money and ran.

He took a fight that he had the capability of winning and he squandered it long before he ever made the trek to Saudi Arabia. He acted as if he’d hit the lottery on June 1 when he knocked out Anthony Joshua in the seventh round at Madison Square Garden in New York to win three of the four major heavyweight belts. On Saturday in Saudi Arabia, he paid for that dearly.

“I didn’t prepare how I should have,” Ruiz said. “I gained too much weight, but you know what? I don’t want to give no excuses. He won. He boxed me around. You better [expletive] believe I’m going to get in the [expletive] best shape of my life [for a third fight].”

Well, it’s too late for that.

This was a con job. Andy Ruiz defrauded the public by not even trying to get into shape. And then to say afterward that he’d try harder next time was one of the most galling things a fighter has ever said after a loss.

https://sports.yahoo.com/an-unprepared-overweight-andy-ruiz-jr-will-struggle-to-live-down-his-loss-to-anthony-joshua-000433363.html

Do you think Kevin has a point here, or he is simply over reacting?

That is a clickbait article. There might be some truth that Andy Ruiz did not train well and did not have the discipline for the training camp to the latest fight because the money might have made him lazy. However, writing an article that he did it to scam everyone is clickbait.

If Andy Ruiz is not training well and as a result could not give a good fight to at least entertain the crowd who bought expensive tickets to the fight, then he is indirectly scamming everyone. Giving a less than quality performance due to negligence and less focused-training is a way of scamming fans.

This article is more a conspiracy theory. In boxing however conspiracy theories could be very near to reality.

For the record though, Kevin is a well respected boxing writer and a member of BWA (boxing writer association) that's why I posted the link here and not some random writers out there who would write for click-bait.

So I consider him an insider and well knowledgeable, so it might be a conspiracy theory but yes, could be some truth in it.

In that case, can the article be used to begin a case to sue Andy Ruiz because he scammed the fans or is it only the writer's opinion that Andy scammed?
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December 10, 2019, 12:24:19 PM
Do you agree on Yahoo's Kevin Iole article here? Simply short of calling Ruiz deliberately losing this fight? (At least that's why I interpret it).

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Andy Ruiz Jr. took the money and ran.

He took a fight that he had the capability of winning and he squandered it long before he ever made the trek to Saudi Arabia. He acted as if he’d hit the lottery on June 1 when he knocked out Anthony Joshua in the seventh round at Madison Square Garden in New York to win three of the four major heavyweight belts. On Saturday in Saudi Arabia, he paid for that dearly.

“I didn’t prepare how I should have,” Ruiz said. “I gained too much weight, but you know what? I don’t want to give no excuses. He won. He boxed me around. You better [expletive] believe I’m going to get in the [expletive] best shape of my life [for a third fight].”

Well, it’s too late for that.

This was a con job. Andy Ruiz defrauded the public by not even trying to get into shape. And then to say afterward that he’d try harder next time was one of the most galling things a fighter has ever said after a loss.

https://sports.yahoo.com/an-unprepared-overweight-andy-ruiz-jr-will-struggle-to-live-down-his-loss-to-anthony-joshua-000433363.html

Do you think Kevin has a point here, or he is simply over reacting?

He has a  good point and analysis, I also thought that and Wilder also has that opinion also, you are champion and long been in boxing and to say that you have not prepared for this fight is such a very bad excuse, no boxer that will be in a big fight will come out unprepare he is lucky that Joshua did not knock him out if Joshua knew that the guy he is fighting is not a fighting form he will knock him out, but AJ opted to take the easy way.
Never mind Ruiz Jr and his lame excuses cause it totally clear that no fighter in the world we said is not well prepared or because he spent some weeks partying was the reason for his lost despite the fact that he has already claimed to spoil the career of his opponent.
Ruiz, needs to get over his loss and accept his fate just like Anthony did before he makes the right correction.
Im with this one that theres no such fighter would go to the ring which isnt unprepared.Going back to some sparring videos with Ruiz that shows off a little bit slimmed version of
Ruiz but when the fight day arrives and when hes called on the corner we do able to see such unchanged body build.Excuses is there when comitting some mistakes but
as said its better for him  to accept and move on regarding on what happened.Asking for trilogy? No it wont happen yet AJ job already done.
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December 10, 2019, 10:47:53 AM
Do you agree on Yahoo's Kevin Iole article here? Simply short of calling Ruiz deliberately losing this fight? (At least that's why I interpret it).

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Andy Ruiz Jr. took the money and ran.

He took a fight that he had the capability of winning and he squandered it long before he ever made the trek to Saudi Arabia. He acted as if he’d hit the lottery on June 1 when he knocked out Anthony Joshua in the seventh round at Madison Square Garden in New York to win three of the four major heavyweight belts. On Saturday in Saudi Arabia, he paid for that dearly.

“I didn’t prepare how I should have,” Ruiz said. “I gained too much weight, but you know what? I don’t want to give no excuses. He won. He boxed me around. You better [expletive] believe I’m going to get in the [expletive] best shape of my life [for a third fight].”

Well, it’s too late for that.

This was a con job. Andy Ruiz defrauded the public by not even trying to get into shape. And then to say afterward that he’d try harder next time was one of the most galling things a fighter has ever said after a loss.

https://sports.yahoo.com/an-unprepared-overweight-andy-ruiz-jr-will-struggle-to-live-down-his-loss-to-anthony-joshua-000433363.html

Do you think Kevin has a point here, or he is simply over reacting?

He has a  good point and analysis, I also thought that and Wilder also has that opinion also, you are champion and long been in boxing and to say that you have not prepared for this fight is such a very bad excuse, no boxer that will be in a big fight will come out unprepare he is lucky that Joshua did not knock him out if Joshua knew that the guy he is fighting is not a fighting form he will knock him out, but AJ opted to take the easy way.
Never mind Ruiz Jr and his lame excuses cause it totally clear that no fighter in the world we said is not well prepared or because he spent some weeks partying was the reason for his lost despite the fact that he has already claimed to spoil the career of his opponent.
Ruiz, needs to get over his loss and accept his fate just like Anthony did before he makes the right correction.
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December 10, 2019, 08:41:34 AM
Do you agree on Yahoo's Kevin Iole article here? Simply short of calling Ruiz deliberately losing this fight? (At least that's why I interpret it).

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Andy Ruiz Jr. took the money and ran.

He took a fight that he had the capability of winning and he squandered it long before he ever made the trek to Saudi Arabia. He acted as if he’d hit the lottery on June 1 when he knocked out Anthony Joshua in the seventh round at Madison Square Garden in New York to win three of the four major heavyweight belts. On Saturday in Saudi Arabia, he paid for that dearly.

“I didn’t prepare how I should have,” Ruiz said. “I gained too much weight, but you know what? I don’t want to give no excuses. He won. He boxed me around. You better [expletive] believe I’m going to get in the [expletive] best shape of my life [for a third fight].”

Well, it’s too late for that.

This was a con job. Andy Ruiz defrauded the public by not even trying to get into shape. And then to say afterward that he’d try harder next time was one of the most galling things a fighter has ever said after a loss.

https://sports.yahoo.com/an-unprepared-overweight-andy-ruiz-jr-will-struggle-to-live-down-his-loss-to-anthony-joshua-000433363.html

Do you think Kevin has a point here, or he is simply over reacting?

He has a  good point and analysis, I also thought that and Wilder also has that opinion also, you are champion and long been in boxing and to say that you have not prepared for this fight is such a very bad excuse, no boxer that will be in a big fight will come out unprepare he is lucky that Joshua did not knock him out if Joshua knew that the guy he is fighting is not a fighting form he will knock him out, but AJ opted to take the easy way.
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December 10, 2019, 12:32:22 AM
Do you agree on Yahoo's Kevin Iole article here? Simply short of calling Ruiz deliberately losing this fight? (At least that's why I interpret it).

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Andy Ruiz Jr. took the money and ran.

He took a fight that he had the capability of winning and he squandered it long before he ever made the trek to Saudi Arabia. He acted as if he’d hit the lottery on June 1 when he knocked out Anthony Joshua in the seventh round at Madison Square Garden in New York to win three of the four major heavyweight belts. On Saturday in Saudi Arabia, he paid for that dearly.

“I didn’t prepare how I should have,” Ruiz said. “I gained too much weight, but you know what? I don’t want to give no excuses. He won. He boxed me around. You better [expletive] believe I’m going to get in the [expletive] best shape of my life [for a third fight].”

Well, it’s too late for that.

This was a con job. Andy Ruiz defrauded the public by not even trying to get into shape. And then to say afterward that he’d try harder next time was one of the most galling things a fighter has ever said after a loss.

https://sports.yahoo.com/an-unprepared-overweight-andy-ruiz-jr-will-struggle-to-live-down-his-loss-to-anthony-joshua-000433363.html

Do you think Kevin has a point here, or he is simply over reacting?

That is a clickbait article. There might be some truth that Andy Ruiz did not train well and did not have the discipline for the training camp to the latest fight because the money might have made him lazy. However, writing an article that he did it to scam everyone is clickbait.

If Andy Ruiz is not training well and as a result could not give a good fight to at least entertain the crowd who bought expensive tickets to the fight, then he is indirectly scamming everyone. Giving a less than quality performance due to negligence and less focused-training is a way of scamming fans.

This article is more a conspiracy theory. In boxing however conspiracy theories could be very near to reality.

For the record though, Kevin is a well respected boxing writer and a member of BWA (boxing writer association) that's why I posted the link here and not some random writers out there who would write for click-bait.

So I consider him an insider and well knowledgeable, so it might be a conspiracy theory but yes, could be some truth in it.
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December 09, 2019, 10:59:31 PM
Do you agree on Yahoo's Kevin Iole article here? Simply short of calling Ruiz deliberately losing this fight? (At least that's why I interpret it).

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Andy Ruiz Jr. took the money and ran.

He took a fight that he had the capability of winning and he squandered it long before he ever made the trek to Saudi Arabia. He acted as if he’d hit the lottery on June 1 when he knocked out Anthony Joshua in the seventh round at Madison Square Garden in New York to win three of the four major heavyweight belts. On Saturday in Saudi Arabia, he paid for that dearly.

“I didn’t prepare how I should have,” Ruiz said. “I gained too much weight, but you know what? I don’t want to give no excuses. He won. He boxed me around. You better [expletive] believe I’m going to get in the [expletive] best shape of my life [for a third fight].”

Well, it’s too late for that.

This was a con job. Andy Ruiz defrauded the public by not even trying to get into shape. And then to say afterward that he’d try harder next time was one of the most galling things a fighter has ever said after a loss.

https://sports.yahoo.com/an-unprepared-overweight-andy-ruiz-jr-will-struggle-to-live-down-his-loss-to-anthony-joshua-000433363.html

Do you think Kevin has a point here, or he is simply over reacting?

That is a clickbait article. There might be some truth that Andy Ruiz did not train well and did not have the discipline for the training camp to the latest fight because the money might have made him lazy. However, writing an article that he did it to scam everyone is clickbait.

If Andy Ruiz is not training well and as a result could not give a good fight to at least entertain the crowd who bought expensive tickets to the fight, then he is indirectly scamming everyone. Giving a less than quality performance due to negligence and less focused-training is a way of scamming fans.

This article is more a conspiracy theory. In boxing however conspiracy theories could be very near to reality.
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December 09, 2019, 10:52:19 PM
Do you agree on Yahoo's Kevin Iole article here? Simply short of calling Ruiz deliberately losing this fight? (At least that's why I interpret it).

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Andy Ruiz Jr. took the money and ran.

He took a fight that he had the capability of winning and he squandered it long before he ever made the trek to Saudi Arabia. He acted as if he’d hit the lottery on June 1 when he knocked out Anthony Joshua in the seventh round at Madison Square Garden in New York to win three of the four major heavyweight belts. On Saturday in Saudi Arabia, he paid for that dearly.

“I didn’t prepare how I should have,” Ruiz said. “I gained too much weight, but you know what? I don’t want to give no excuses. He won. He boxed me around. You better [expletive] believe I’m going to get in the [expletive] best shape of my life [for a third fight].”

Well, it’s too late for that.

This was a con job. Andy Ruiz defrauded the public by not even trying to get into shape. And then to say afterward that he’d try harder next time was one of the most galling things a fighter has ever said after a loss.

https://sports.yahoo.com/an-unprepared-overweight-andy-ruiz-jr-will-struggle-to-live-down-his-loss-to-anthony-joshua-000433363.html

Do you think Kevin has a point here, or he is simply over reacting?

That is a clickbait article. There might be some truth that Andy Ruiz did not train well and did not have the discipline for the training camp to the latest fight because the money might have made him lazy. However, writing an article that he did it to scam everyone is clickbait.
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December 09, 2019, 11:28:13 AM
Betting odds for the favorite opened at 1.33 and ended up around 1.45.

Another case where the market was clueless or didn't have info on Ruiz preparation, I mean he put on 7 extra kilos (and they were certainly not muscles...) I saw videos of him, eating junk food with his team, they celebrated his June win a bit too much. On the other hand Joshua made sure not to lose again to this guy. Very easy money at decent odds  Kiss
When I read that he had put on some weight and also saw some photos circulating which saw him somehow muscular, I thought he had been training very hard for the fight and I was disappointed by his performance in the entirety of the match. But AJ failure to knock him out kinda make his victory incomplete for him.
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December 09, 2019, 11:16:57 AM
Sorry to all the posters who were behind Andy Ruiz hehehe.

@Finestream. Agreed. Also, Andy Ruiz cannot be aggressive because he was heavier and slower than the first fight and Anthony Joshua was lighter and faster. Similar to what you said, AJ adjusted well. I reckon Andy Ruiz, did not.
Anthony Joshua did what he needs to do to win the rematch, he kept the distance at all time and Andy Ruiz was finding it difficult to find the range and yes he was heavier than the first fight and the hype of trimming down in weight was just a joke as he needs to eat more spinach (Popeye Cheesy) when he faces him for the trilogy  Cheesy. I would not mind seeing a trilogy fight but i am expecting Anthony Joshua to win the third one too considering the way in which he changed the strategy.
It all matters with strategy though and if he would make the same move which he dont engage on an in fight and just making points on range
then he would definitely win up the fight on the 3rd one. Ruiz cant pick up the pace that had been set up by AJ yet his slower and that thing
is being used against him.Ruiz is a heavy puncher but he cant make a timing if the opponent does too move and doesnt engage too much.Basic
fundamentals for boxing is to make points and that was AJ been doing.
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December 09, 2019, 11:03:00 AM
Sorry to all the posters who were behind Andy Ruiz hehehe.

@Finestream. Agreed. Also, Andy Ruiz cannot be aggressive because he was heavier and slower than the first fight and Anthony Joshua was lighter and faster. Similar to what you said, AJ adjusted well. I reckon Andy Ruiz, did not.
Anthony Joshua did what he needs to do to win the rematch, he kept the distance at all time and Andy Ruiz was finding it difficult to find the range and yes he was heavier than the first fight and the hype of trimming down in weight was just a joke as he needs to eat more spinach (Popeye Cheesy) when he faces him for the trilogy  Cheesy. I would not mind seeing a trilogy fight but i am expecting Anthony Joshua to win the third one too considering the way in which he changed the strategy.
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December 09, 2019, 10:42:33 AM
Every body should forgive me for this statement. In my opinion, Usyk is somehow greedy because it seems like all he want is the heavy weight title because he was told to do some boxing in new weight category not to chase after the heavy weight title holder. Mind you, he ought to go for someone like Chisora from the get go not the Champ which already have enough on his plate.

Allow me to correct you - Usyk already hold the WBA, WBC, IBF and WBO titles. He has nothing else to do in cruiserweights Cheesy
Do know why he has advanced to heavyweight, he could drop down to light heavy and face Canelo. But Usyk is a huge guy, 198cm, dropping down to 76-79kg seems not logical.


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Thanks for the informations but I already know all this buddy and I understand perfectly well the reason why I said hes somehow greed because he seems to be impatient and there's another opponents which he can face in other to test his moving up from cruiserweight.
Mind you, AJ was impatient when he first fight with Ruiz and he lost his title.
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December 09, 2019, 09:23:26 AM
Every body should forgive me for this statement. In my opinion, Usyk is somehow greedy because it seems like all he want is the heavy weight title because he was told to do some boxing in new weight category not to chase after the heavy weight title holder. Mind you, he ought to go for someone like Chisora from the get go not the Champ which already have enough on his plate.

Allow me to correct you - Usyk already hold the WBA, WBC, IBF and WBO titles. He has nothing else to do in cruiserweights Cheesy
Do know why he has advanced to heavyweight, he could drop down to light heavy and face Canelo. But Usyk is a huge guy, 198cm, dropping down to 76-79kg seems not logical.

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December 09, 2019, 05:59:13 AM
Betting odds for the favorite opened at 1.33 and ended up around 1.45.

Another case where the market was clueless or didn't have info on Ruiz preparation, I mean he put on 7 extra kilos (and they were certainly not muscles...) I saw videos of him, eating junk food with his team, they celebrated his June win a bit too much. On the other hand Joshua made sure not to lose again to this guy. Very easy money at decent odds  Kiss

Yeah, with the line movement, it was in favor of Ruiz and we got hype by his first win and we thought that though he was the underdog in the rematch, he can have another win but it's the opposite that happened, we didn't thought that the rematch would result to an easy win by AJ.
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December 09, 2019, 05:47:32 AM
Betting odds for the favorite opened at 1.33 and ended up around 1.45.

Another case where the market was clueless or didn't have info on Ruiz preparation, I mean he put on 7 extra kilos (and they were certainly not muscles...) I saw videos of him, eating junk food with his team, they celebrated his June win a bit too much. On the other hand Joshua made sure not to lose again to this guy. Very easy money at decent odds  Kiss
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December 09, 2019, 04:37:45 AM
Not to burst Anthony Joshua's win, but the WBO president Paco Valcarcel has said that Joshua will have to face the mandatory next, Oleksandr Usyk in 180 days.



https://twitter.com/PacoValcarcel/status/1203438265271017473

I do not think this is a right decision by Paco Valcarcel to call it mandatory. So based on this the next fight of him will be against the Alexander Usyk in about 180 days. So what will be the fate of third fight between Ruiz and Joshua ? Any official verdict on it ?

Lets give those two some rest, they are tired from each other for 3rd fight in a row Smiley

Usyk vs AJ - dont think that they will fight. Usyk just had a debut in heavyweight (advanced from cruiserweight). His opponent was not very tough (in the interview Usyk told that he could have finished him in round 2, but coach said to do some boxing in new weight category and to test himself), and already a fight agains top3 boxer? Not gonna happen so fast.   
Every body should forgive me for this statement. In my opinion, Usyk is somehow greedy because it seems like all he want is the heavy weight title because he was told to do some boxing in new weight category not to chase after the heavy weight title holder. Mind you, he ought to go for someone like Chisora from the get go not the Champ which already have enough on his plate.
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