Topic: [ANN] "BitBaY" Commission Bonds thread! - page 7. (Read 16670 times)

Does this mean that you and Cassie are working together again?
 

   In the beginning there was a plan. Though the end may have seemed to have fallen upon this project, a new light has been shed.
Through the midst of all the slander being cast about by each of us we have come to be ashamed of what has been made of something that
had great plans and direction. Many things brought about were true and caused us to become overcome by visions for something we hadn't
yet created. Our plan right now is to reconcile with the public by almost any means necessary. However, we are unable to provide full refunds to
everyone. We are looking to a bright future ahead and can only do this once the public has given us the chance to do so. We wish to forward
with this project as a beneficial service to the community. With this post we have come to an agreement and have restructured our finances.
We apologize to the public for our actions that have caused BitBay to endure slanderous comments and public relation. We wish to proceed with
this project with the hope that all investors will stand by and audit our work as we progress to an opening of many great proportions.



I apologize in whole to the Bitcoin community for my actions and statements.

This is all fishy, Seems like their both in it together.

Cassie and Justin: A swift reply would be appreciated.

Thank You

Justin, to be perfectly honest (and looking at this with an open mind) what you claim could be correct, true and honest.... on the other hand it might be a pack of lies. Your reputation has been ripped to shreds and most people now view most of what you write as nonsense but it is not too late to actually start to set the record straight. To put it quite simply, do you have any evidence of your claim?

From my understanding of the situation it seems Cassie already mentioned a few pages back she would be honouring the investments that she currently holds. Now, it makes common sense to have added ALL the received BTC in one wallet or common fund. I have no idea how many wallets there were and how much you took and how much she has.

The problem here is the misinformation. Can you kindly give your version of events. We know of your allegation that in your opinion Cassie was not doing anything for the project therefore you left and took some BTC with you. You stated you did this to save the project and in the interim you started a new thread (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-bitauction-bitbay-development-transfer-403076) blamed her for your departure then you made available 100 new shares for the same forked project! Now all that means is that you have lost all respect and reputation and cannot be taken seriously again but surely you can see that the only thing that investors and well-wishers want is the truth and maybe you can give your version of events and maybe some of us might be able to believe you.

Here is the main problem: Common sense denotes that if ALL the BTC was in one wallet you would have cleaned the whole thing out when you departed. Cassie has already indicated she has some of the BTC and you have already indicated you took some of the BTC but neither she nor you are letting us know exact BTC amounts involved!

FOR JUSTIN:
1) How much BTC was raised in total and how many shares were sold before you split from Cassie?
2) The day you left and took the BTC: How much BTC did you take?
3) The day you left and took the BTC: How much BTC was left with Cassie?
4) Why did you not take all the BTC with you when you left Cassie?
5) Of all the BTC invested, how many BTC wallets were the investments split between? (The total number of BTC wallets holding the investments)
6) When Cassie said she would honour the investments that she held, how do you think she could differentiate between investors when she has 'x' number of shares holdings and 'x' amount of BTC? How do you think she would know who has a share in her BitBay and who has a share in your failed BitBay?

FOR CASSIE:
1) How much BTC was raised in total and how many shares were sold before Justin split from you?
2) The day Justin left and took the BTC: How much BTC did he take?
3) The day Justin left and took the BTC: How much BTC was left with you?
4) Why do you think Justin did not take ALL the BTC with him?
5) Of all the BTC invested, how many BTC wallets were the investments split between? (The total number of BTC wallets holding the investments)
6) When you said you would honour the investments that you hold, how would you differentiate between investors when you have 'x' number of shares holdings and 'x' amount of BTC? How would you know who has a share in your BitBay and who has a share in Justin's failed BitBay?

This situation has gone on for too long. An amicable way out for all parties is the best way to resolve it but the investors must be protected and must have their investments back. If Cassie and Justin both lay out their version of events then the investors can at least decide what they want to do next.

Cassie and Justin, please be open and honest and kindly answer the questions above.

Many thanks

Anything to prove your side of the story would be helpful. Where are the refunds?

Not when it's been put into public information spaces for public purposes. He's registered domains with personal details, which you are legally allowed to gather, and done the same with other tidbits for other purposes. He's left a clear breadcrumb trail. You simply cannot use the information for illicit purposes, but you can use it for legal purposes to pursue legal actions.

Cheeky: If people are interested, they should band together in one topic thread and post up their intentions, and then contact the police/sheriff in his area and inquire about filing a report on the matter. That's a great first start. If Cassie led the way, that would be fabulous as well.

What is the solution then? How does this situation get resolved? He has spent BTC not belonging to him (on personal use). If he has a track record of scamming people as you suggest then you have to file a complaint.

Thankfully I never invested as I found out about the whole issue after he set up the so-called bitbay transfer thread but if I had invested I would have called the police by now.

What puzzles me is why Cassie is not involving the police since she has first hand knowledge of what was going on behind the scenes and how much Justin took when he departed to start his own (failed) fork.

if you clicked on that link, format your laptop.

You also know gathering info without proper legal permissions is a federal offense right?

It's still digital property with a dollar value in the US, so thanks to several rulings on that back in 1999 and the early part of this century ala MPAA / RIAA, you can in fact file charges against the gentleman.

I wonder if Cassie needs more personal info of the young fellow, it can be dug up. Medical records? SSN? The guy has a digital trace on the internet like there's no tomorrow. Asian porn sites.. the whole 9 yards. He's even registered some weird domains this past year and looks like he tried scamming some folks using them, then dumped the domains.

He's playing with the wrong crowd.

But cassie aka a guy, Is also fucked because bitcoin is still not recognized as a official currency. I would wait until the us courts clear that up on the 29th.

I agree with you that Cassie should report the matter as a crime. If she does report the crime and the police arrest Justin for taking the BTC without consent, for DDOS attacks on her and then defaming her character via the pathetic website, then I think he will probably get a prison sentence.

Cassie, what are your views on this matter?

I LOLed so hard when I saw the defaced site. He pretty much signed it, which means he can be charged with defacing a website. You can tell he is a child because instead of admitting he messed up, and trying to make it right and leaving with some dignity. He through a temper tantrum, like a 2 year old and in the process created multiple counts of felony fraud, and federal felony of the digital security regulations.

He really screwed him self. If I was Cassie I would report this and send him to federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison. Maybe that will teach him not to be so childish.

i went to the site...possible virus for me?

I guess it is too late for him to repair the damage done to his reputation now. Well, even after all the wrongs he has done I feel somewhat sorry for him if it is true he is only 17 years old (or even 22 years old).

It seems he tried to fool Cassie and investors by passing off a $47 turnkey solution as his own work and in the end got caught out, ran off with the money people invested, spent some if not all of the investment on his personal use and then decided he actually could not deliver the splinter project after all. He lost all respect in OpenEx and Bitcoinforum, he sadly is to blame for him own demise.

It will take just one person to file a complaint to the police about him and he will be arrested. Even though I feel sorry for him because of his immaturity and because of his age I think it is in his own best interest if someone did file a complaint against him. Even though it will (almost) ruin his life having a criminal conviction at such a young age, I am sure he will learn from it and never commit another crime again. The best person to file a complaint is Cassie since he stole the funds from her and she has first hand knowledge of what he did, when he did it and how much he took.

I hope he does not end up being held in custody while the police carry out their checks because it is common knowledge that on many occasions while being held behind bars really bad things have been known to happen when gullible and (almost) innocent young men are forced to share their tiny cell and large communal toilets/showers with other experienced longer term serving male inmates. Many newbie male convicts are known to have been bullied, beaten, robbed, raped and gang-raped by sexually frustrated male inmates as well as being forced to be their servants.

We hope this whole sorry episode ends well and good with him returning the stolen BTC and having no charges brought against him and we hope to see Cassie's project come along smoothly

 I forgot that I left his name severs linked to my domain Fixed.  He is so amateur and immature its not funny.
 He has been DDOSing my home network for over 48 hours, he cant even do that right..

http://www.google.com/safebrowsing/report_badware/

Report the link justin made as a malware infected site.

He's about to face the largest legal battle of his young 22yr old life, he's probably upset and trying to get back at people. He stole all the BTC investment, he's in hot water. Whether or not he intends to give it back (on the 1st of the month as he claims) matters not, as the crimes have already been committed. Not only is he culpable, he's admitted guilt.

As I suggested in his other thread, he needs to send the BTC back today or he will likely be facing big charges.

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Because he likes spreading viruses?