[ANN] FutureBit Project Apollo: Bringing ASIC Mining Back to the Home Miner! - page 27.

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Quote from: jstefanop on September 08, 2018, 04:55:13 PM

Quote from: CharlieFoxtrot on September 08, 2018, 10:03:47 AM

Thanks for the quick response guys. I'm searching ebay and amazon for the requisite power supply. I'm running into difficulty finding a 6 pin PCI-e.
I have until October though.

Yea 250 watts is just be being generous. Always add at least an 20% margin on top of the wattage you will be running at. So if your not planning to go past 100 watts on these and run them on eco mode, all you would need is a 120 watt PSU. The MAX you would eve need for one of these is ~240 watts if your running them at 200 watts.

Problem is all good consumer power bricks usually only go to ~ 100 watts so I couldn't really bundle one of those with the miner which was my original plan for these to be complete plug in play. Anything in the 200 watt range are those shitty chinese aluminum screw PSUs, and then past that your in the ATX PSU territory.

Im going to do some research and see if I can source a good ~250 watt for people just wanting to run one, otherwise if your running 2+ you might as well get a good 500 watt server or ATX PSU.

Thanks, this will be helpful

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Quote from: CharlieFoxtrot on September 08, 2018, 10:03:47 AM

Thanks for the quick response guys. I'm searching ebay and amazon for the requisite power supply. I'm running into difficulty finding a 6 pin PCI-e.
I have until October though.

Yea 250 watts is just be being generous. Always add at least an 20% margin on top of the wattage you will be running at. So if your not planning to go past 100 watts on these and run them on eco mode, all you would need is a 120 watt PSU. The MAX you would eve need for one of these is ~240 watts if your running them at 200 watts.

Problem is all good consumer power bricks usually only go to ~ 100 watts so I couldn't really bundle one of those with the miner which was my original plan for these to be complete plug in play. Anything in the 200 watt range are those shitty chinese aluminum screw PSUs, and then past that your in the ATX PSU territory.

Im going to do some research and see if I can source a good ~250 watt for people just wanting to run one, otherwise if your running 2+ you might as well get a good 500 watt server or ATX PSU.

CharlieFoxtrot

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Thanks for the quick response guys. I'm searching ebay and amazon for the requisite power supply. I'm running into difficulty finding a 6 pin PCI-e.
I have until October though.

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Quote from: crypto_curious on September 08, 2018, 04:54:13 AM

Quote from: CharlieFoxtrot on September 07, 2018, 06:01:40 PM

One of the requirements is:

At least a 250 watt 12v power supply with a 6 Pin PCIE connector is required.

I could use some help sourcing this. Does anyone have any recommendations or suggestions?

I looked on eBay and there are a lot of power supplies offered.

I did find this one though:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-659193-001-Elite-8200-RP5800-240W-6-Pin-Desktop-Power-Supply/202373513718?hash=item2f1e66c1f6:g:UeIAAOSwhclbT6Fj
Would this work?

Any help would be appreciated.

Technically: no, it will not. It's 240Watt and you said yourself 250Watt is needed.
Buy ANY desktop ATX PSU with minimum 250Watt, with at least one 6-pin PCI-E connector.

You can power them even with your rig PSU (if watts enough). I plan use them on ECO mode, only 100w.

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Quote from: CharlieFoxtrot on September 07, 2018, 06:01:40 PM

One of the requirements is:

At least a 250 watt 12v power supply with a 6 Pin PCIE connector is required.

I could use some help sourcing this. Does anyone have any recommendations or suggestions?

I looked on eBay and there are a lot of power supplies offered.

I did find this one though:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-659193-001-Elite-8200-RP5800-240W-6-Pin-Desktop-Power-Supply/202373513718?hash=item2f1e66c1f6:g:UeIAAOSwhclbT6Fj
Would this work?

Any help would be appreciated.

Technically: no, it will not. It's 240Watt and you said yourself 250Watt is needed.
Buy ANY desktop ATX PSU with minimum 250Watt, with at least one 6-pin PCI-E connector.

CharlieFoxtrot

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One of the requirements is:

At least a 250 watt 12v power supply with a 6 Pin PCIE connector is required.

I could use some help sourcing this. Does anyone have any recommendations or suggestions?

I looked on eBay and there are a lot of power supplies offered.

I did find this one though:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-659193-001-Elite-8200-RP5800-240W-6-Pin-Desktop-Power-Supply/202373513718?hash=item2f1e66c1f6:g:UeIAAOSwhclbT6Fj
Would this work?

Any help would be appreciated.

VictorGT

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What are doing farm miners here? This thread is for hobby miners. We support a coin. We are not greedy (only a little Wink

).

Please go to Bitmain threads if you are a professional miner. Maybe you purchase and L3+?. Good luck.

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Quote from: Cryptodigits on September 07, 2018, 08:49:10 AM

Quote from: jstefanop on September 04, 2018, 04:27:04 PM

Quote from: Cryptodigits on September 04, 2018, 11:41:22 AM

It is reasonably expected that miners should be rewarded with profits for their effort in securing networks. To encourage miners to become mere hobbyists after they have spent substantial amounts of money to acquire mining hardware, is simply disingenuous.

The first priority of any genuine ASIC manufacturer, is to produce mining hardware that will maximise mining profits and provide worthwhile gains for customers.

Just because crypto prices are down has nothing to do with ASIC manufacturers being disingenuous (and I agree that MOST ASIC manufactures have been nothing but disingenuous and greedy in the past year). The best I can do is offer the most efficient hardware possible, at the lowest cost possible, which is what I have done with this product. You seem to think this costs $50 dollars to make and I'm making hundreds of dollars in profit lol. Currently Batch 1 is break even (just the ASICs alone on this cost hundreds FYI).

We can't control crypto prices and the profitability of ASICs, and yea the market sucks right now for Bitcoin/Litecoin ASICs but prices are recovering already as you can see.

Also what kind of Bitcoin/Litecoin network would you like too see?

1,000 large scale centralized farmers dumping coins onto market every day skimming for profits OR

1,000,000 "hobbyists" as you call them all mining on their personal desktop devices earning Litecoins for the price of one lightbulb and holding these coins for the future?

Sorry, but I'm not in this for "profits" I'm in this to encourage as many people as possible to become "hobbyists" and join a new decentralized revolution...not another one centrally controlled by pure greed.

The main point is to NOT to encourage miners to become hobbyists. Instead, focus on creating a highly profitable ASIC miner that can compete with the "large scale centralised farmers". In such a situation, it's likely that there would be 1,000,000+ genuinely profitable miners as opposed to 1,000,000 non-profitable / low-profitable hobbyists who are simply mining for fun or educational value, while spending hard-earned money.

The simple message, and the best thing to do, is to encourage serious ASIC mining by producing highly competitive and highly profitable hardware.

My main focus is to encourage more people to join mining that are not mining or would ever consider it....miners that are not hobbyists wont consider this product nor am I encouraging them to become "hobbyists".

You do understand that profitability has very little to do with ASIC tech at this point. All ASICs have caught up to node tech, and even if I somehow found 100 million to develop a 7nm top of the line scrypt ASIC that would still be ~ .5 watts/MH and you would still be complaining how unprofitable a 2GH 1000 watts miner that costs 2k would be. That all depends on where the coin price is and how profitable the latest tech is.

The Apollo is currently the most efficient scrypt ASIC, and I have produce a miner that is more than competitive with Bitmain and Innosilicon, and offers more features that home miners want. There is lots of value in that, I understand your a large scale farmer and only care about profits, but for someone just buying one or two of these and generating "free" coins while heating their house in the winter find this product a good fit for them.

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Quote from: crypto_curious on September 02, 2018, 01:06:25 AM

I just placed my order. I am excited to see this hardware

However, discount option has not been greatly coordinated. I am USB moonlander user, none of the shops I purchased from have told me anything about discount available. And If I would ask them it could take days to get my discount coupon from them. By that time, preorder sales could have been closed. That's why i decided to buy it now.

If I prove to you that I purchased Moonlanders, can you generate for me double discount coupon for my second Apollo? I purchased first one without any discount, because I wanted to be in pre-orders, but now I want one more:)

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Quote from: jstefanop on September 04, 2018, 04:27:04 PM

Quote from: Cryptodigits on September 04, 2018, 11:41:22 AM

It is reasonably expected that miners should be rewarded with profits for their effort in securing networks. To encourage miners to become mere hobbyists after they have spent substantial amounts of money to acquire mining hardware, is simply disingenuous.

The first priority of any genuine ASIC manufacturer, is to produce mining hardware that will maximise mining profits and provide worthwhile gains for customers.

Just because crypto prices are down has nothing to do with ASIC manufacturers being disingenuous (and I agree that MOST ASIC manufactures have been nothing but disingenuous and greedy in the past year). The best I can do is offer the most efficient hardware possible, at the lowest cost possible, which is what I have done with this product. You seem to think this costs $50 dollars to make and I'm making hundreds of dollars in profit lol. Currently Batch 1 is break even (just the ASICs alone on this cost hundreds FYI).

We can't control crypto prices and the profitability of ASICs, and yea the market sucks right now for Bitcoin/Litecoin ASICs but prices are recovering already as you can see.

Also what kind of Bitcoin/Litecoin network would you like too see?

1,000 large scale centralized farmers dumping coins onto market every day skimming for profits OR

1,000,000 "hobbyists" as you call them all mining on their personal desktop devices earning Litecoins for the price of one lightbulb and holding these coins for the future?

Sorry, but I'm not in this for "profits" I'm in this to encourage as many people as possible to become "hobbyists" and join a new decentralized revolution...not another one centrally controlled by pure greed.

The main point is to NOT to encourage miners to become hobbyists. Instead, focus on creating a highly profitable ASIC miner that can compete with the "large scale centralised farmers". In such a situation, it's likely that there would be 1,000,000+ genuinely profitable miners as opposed to 1,000,000 non-profitable / low-profitable hobbyists who are simply mining for fun or educational value, while spending hard-earned money.

The simple message, and the best thing to do, is to encourage serious ASIC mining by producing highly competitive and highly profitable hardware.

T3ch92

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Order confirmed, thank you

jstefanop

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Quote from: ttbit7 on September 02, 2018, 07:06:02 AM

Quote from: igotek on September 01, 2018, 03:49:30 PM

Who pay 274 USD for 100-140 MH/s SCRYPT ?

We will pay 274 USD + shipping + PSU.
We will earn 0,61 USD daily and we will pay for power. Uh, huh....

Roll Eyes

449 days ROI without shipping + PSU + power.

If you are looking for a fun litecoin miner to use, then I suggest this one:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/batch-1-in-stock-ttbit-scrypt-miner-2-official-order-thread-4987036
http://www.bitcointalk.club/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=22668&sid=a4c761bf7acbfd7b6149dd45805b3637
https://forum.bitcoin.com/post217146.html

It is will not make ROI but it is also only $35 usd with free shipping.

L3 is currently $193 usd....why pay more for this? Just looks fancy.

Banned multiples times and getting desperate now I see...karma is a bitch.

Come up with your own hardware next time, you might actually sell something.

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Quote from: Cryptodigits on September 04, 2018, 11:41:22 AM

It is reasonably expected that miners should be rewarded with profits for their effort in securing networks. To encourage miners to become mere hobbyists after they have spent substantial amounts of money to acquire mining hardware, is simply disingenuous.

The first priority of any genuine ASIC manufacturer, is to produce mining hardware that will maximise mining profits and provide worthwhile gains for customers.

Just because crypto prices are down has nothing to do with ASIC manufacturers being disingenuous (and I agree that MOST ASIC manufactures have been nothing but disingenuous and greedy in the past year). The best I can do is offer the most efficient hardware possible, at the lowest cost possible, which is what I have done with this product. You seem to think this costs $50 dollars to make and I'm making hundreds of dollars in profit lol. Currently Batch 1 is break even (just the ASICs alone on this cost hundreds FYI).

We can't control crypto prices and the profitability of ASICs, and yea the market sucks right now for Bitcoin/Litecoin ASICs but prices are recovering already as you can see.

Also what kind of Bitcoin/Litecoin network would you like too see?

1,000 large scale centralized farmers dumping coins onto market every day skimming for profits OR

1,000,000 "hobbyists" as you call them all mining on their personal desktop devices earning Litecoins for the price of one lightbulb and holding these coins for the future?

Sorry, but I'm not in this for "profits" I'm in this to encourage as many people as possible to become "hobbyists" and join a new decentralized revolution...not another one centrally controlled by pure greed.

ttbit7

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Quote from: igotek on September 01, 2018, 03:49:30 PM

Who pay 274 USD for 100-140 MH/s SCRYPT ?

We will pay 274 USD + shipping + PSU.
We will earn 0,61 USD daily and we will pay for power. Uh, huh....

Roll Eyes

449 days ROI without shipping + PSU + power.

If you are looking for a fun litecoin miner to use, then I suggest this one:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/batch-1-in-stock-ttbit-scrypt-miner-2-official-order-thread-4987036
http://www.bitcointalk.club/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=22668&sid=a4c761bf7acbfd7b6149dd45805b3637
https://forum.bitcoin.com/post217146.html

It is will not make ROI but it is also only $35 usd with free shipping.

L3 is currently $193 usd....why pay more for this? Just looks fancy.

Cryptodigits

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It is reasonably expected that miners should be rewarded with profits for their effort in securing networks. To encourage miners to become mere hobbyists after they have spent substantial amounts of money to acquire mining hardware, is simply disingenuous.

The first priority of any genuine ASIC manufacturer, is to produce mining hardware that will maximise mining profits and provide worthwhile gains for customers.

jstefanop

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Quote from: xtraelv on September 03, 2018, 04:42:59 PM

Great to see a small efficient unit being produced.

Likewise - I have a moonlander2 - it is the only machine I won't have to relocate due to excessive noise when my wife gets back from her trip.

100 Watt units make absolutely great small space heaters. Gblades were great for keeping mold from damp places but they just became too uneconomic to run..

They are also ideal for mining small odd-ball coins networks as a larger miner just pushes up the difficulty.

Smaller miners keep their value better than larger ones as it is more for hobby mining rather than for profit.

I wish I had done some more unprofitable mining because while I was mining some shitcoins for twice their costs they shot up from 10 sat to 200 sat during the December crypto mania. (Buying the on the market would have pushed the price up - so mining wasn't that uneconomical)

I think the people that are complaining about the ROI don't realize that these units are ideal for hobby miners.

Yea, unfortunately most people here are large farmers that don't care about the features I built into this miner. The core audience for these are people that are interested in crypto but have never mined and/or want to run one on their desk.

Cryptodigits

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Those of us who are serious about profitable mining should make good use of the following live-results ASIC mining profitability research tool. It's awesome and guards against being ripped off by ASIC miner manufacturers and suppliers.

Use the search box on the top right of the page.

https://www.asicminervalue.com

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฿ear ride on the rainbow slide

Great to see a small efficient unit being produced.

Likewise - I have a moonlander2 - it is the only machine I won't have to relocate due to excessive noise when my wife gets back from her trip.

100 Watt units make absolutely great small space heaters. Gblades were great for keeping mold from damp places but they just became too uneconomic to run..

They are also ideal for mining small odd-ball coins networks as a larger miner just pushes up the difficulty.

Smaller miners keep their value better than larger ones as it is more for hobby mining rather than for profit.

I wish I had done some more unprofitable mining because while I was mining some shitcoins for twice their costs they shot up from 10 sat to 200 sat during the December crypto mania. (Buying the on the market would have pushed the price up - so mining wasn't that uneconomical)

I think the people that are complaining about the ROI don't realize that these units are ideal for hobby miners.

jstefanop

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Quote from: crypto_curious on September 02, 2018, 11:14:58 AM

Quote from: crypto_curious on September 02, 2018, 01:06:25 AM

I just placed my order. I am excited to see this hardware

However, discount option has not been greatly coordinated. I am USB moonlander user, none of the shops I purchased from have told me anything about discount available. And If I would ask them it could take days to get my discount coupon from them. By that time, preorder sales could have been closed. That's why i decided to buy it now.

If I prove to you that I purchased Moonlanders, can you generate for me double discount coupon for my second Apollo? I purchased first one without any discount, because I wanted to be in pre-orders, but now I want one more:)

Yea just shoot me a PM with your receipts etc. Please keep this type of stuff in the order thread though.

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Quote from: HonestAbeX1 on September 02, 2018, 02:11:38 AM

Just wanted to confirm that this Apollo ASIC is able to mine any Scrypt-based coin including Digibyte-Scrypt?

Yes this mines any scrypt based coin and digibyte is one of them.

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