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hashforce101

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Quote from: RadDragon on September 14, 2014, 07:30:06 PM

uh

help make a timeline???
i don't know what you guys are doing, that's what i want to know

here, i'll post XST's timeline for you as a template.

this is your competition.

can you make the template for us! This is awesome

GREEDYJOHN

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Quote from: RadDragon on September 14, 2014, 05:46:23 PM

Quote from: SUM2dev on September 14, 2014, 05:39:29 PM

There is no "break" for soopy as You could think by what John wrote. He is working behind the scenes, he isn't responsible for communication part, that was pointed out before. We will give You answers with soopy for all Your questions or doubts.
Cheers Wink

Ok. So, tell me about the developer soopy.

I want to know his credentials and why you think that he is capable of delivering this technology in a unique and innovative way.

Soopy has spoken about his credentials around August this year, just check through his posts of the last 2 months.

RadDragon

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Sound science

uh

help make a timeline???
i don't know what you guys are doing, that's what i want to know

here, i'll post XST's timeline for you as a template.

this is your competition

hashforce101

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We need your help as we are going to Cryptsy and we need to smash this out of the ball park. Soopy , Remy , Package are 110% focused on this task and they are going to get it right.

We need you yes you. You may think you just buy NAV/ BTC but no we need you to.
We want to blow Transparency out of the park
We have no Premine , no IPO how to fund everything. We need every member of the community to lift there game 110%. Lots of hands will make this task easier and bring benefits to us all

1. Can you fix the RICHLIST on page one. Do you have the talent let me no

2. Can you create a timeline Template - ASAP

3. Can you create a benefits of joining the foundation statement - ~soopy~ gives the foundation regular updates . The broader community gets only a final update announcement when all the i are dotted and t's are crossed

4.Do the basics first- wallet fix and then Anon - Extra features can wait -voting date for foundation

5. Finances -who can do the books for us - Fund Raiser is a a major hurdle

6. PR - WWW - articles

7. Concerns and doubts we want to know - attention to me - any question is not off limit

8. Who can get us on https://www.cryptocertify.com/ whats required

9.What have I missed let me no - Im supper busy at work this week . But i dont care . This comes first

Please PM me or write it in the forum space attention ~hashforce101~ and I will send them to SUM2Dev as things are ramping up.
No use buying more and more NAV if you have over 500k. Like me its better to join the foundation and spend my money on making NAVAJOCOIN and my NAV worth more not just buying more and more.
Lets do this right and not what for others to do it!

icekohl

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If NAV can get listed here https://www.cryptocertify.com/ it would squash a lot of FUD.

RadDragon

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Sound science

Quote from: SUM2dev on September 14, 2014, 05:39:29 PM

There is no "break" for soopy as You could think by what John wrote. He is working behind the scenes, he isn't responsible for communication part, that was pointed out before. We will give You answers with soopy for all Your questions or doubts.
Cheers Wink

Ok. So, tell me about the developer soopy.

I want to know his credentials and why you think that he is capable of delivering this technology in a unique and innovative way.

SUM2dev

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Quote from: RadDragon on September 14, 2014, 05:29:29 PM

GREEDYJOHN, you have made it quite clear that you do not believe the dev is emotionally secure.

If honest criticism from investors breaks him, then God forbid he actually releases anon technology and starts making enemies from real world fiat institutions.

I'm hardly a bully. But I'm waiting for evidence that my money wasn't gobbled up by a fraud. And your cheer leading just upsets me more, I want evidence. Every time we demand it you call us whiners and fools and then throw pom poms around.

And then even further, you demand that we fix the code ourselves "if it's so easy".

Ugh.

How old are you guys anyway? Are you just a bunch of kids? What is SoopY's education background?

Hello
There is no "break" for soopy as You could think by what John wrote. He is working behind the scenes, he isn't responsible for communication part, that was pointed out before. We will give You answers with soopy for all Your questions or doubts.
Cheers

RadDragon

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Sound science

GREEDYJOHN, you have made it quite clear that you do not believe the dev is emotionally secure.

If honest criticism from investors breaks him, then God forbid he actually releases anon technology and starts making enemies from real world fiat institutions.

I'm hardly a bully. But I'm waiting for evidence that my money wasn't gobbled up by a fraud. And your cheer leading just upsets me more, I want evidence. Every time we demand it you call us whiners and fools and then throw pom poms around.

And then even further, you demand that we fix the code ourselves "if it's so easy".

Ugh.

How old are you guys anyway? Are you just a bunch of kids? What is SoopY's education background?

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Quote from: GREEDYJOHN on September 14, 2014, 02:44:30 PM

Quote from: nousernamesleft on September 14, 2014, 01:37:10 PM

I think we all understand it's not finished. We'd like to know exactly where we're at. If you want to gain some support, let's have his work up till now reviewed by another developer. If indeed, everything is as you say....it would be a HUGE boost of confidence, and we can all go back to trusting SoopY unconditionally.

Plenty of guys like this out there https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-code-reviews-for-altcoins-745275 https://github.com/Earlz/coinreviews https://github.com/Earlz/coinreviews/blob/master/commonproblems.md

Thank God, you have started making reasonable comments. Thanks for the change of tone. This is what we need to succeed, to ultimately get soopy back to business.

This was my tone on July 29, in a private message to sum2dev

"Hey there. Lots of scam coins going on these days. 'USB coin' devs were active on bitcointalk. They were communicating....but not informing. The entire time they were dumping coins they stole. People are realizing that just communicating is not enough to trust someone. They also have to keep you informed.

Things are looking really bad here. You say that the dev is working behind the scenes, but I feel like now would be a good time for proof. You have a lot of good people here who believed in you, and these circumstances have turned them into trolls (myself included).

Let's get back to the old ways and make everyone a happy team. OK?

I'd be your biggest advocate, and would be happy to donate to the foundation.

Let me know what you think,

C-"

It's almost 3 months later and we still have no proof. You can see where my outrage comes from.

Still can't believe that after my request went unanswered I was still asked to donate a FULL BTCITCOIN to SoopY...

GREEDYJOHN

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Quote from: nousernamesleft on September 14, 2014, 01:37:10 PM

I think we all understand it's not finished. We'd like to know exactly where we're at. If you want to gain some support, let's have his work up till now reviewed by another developer. If indeed, everything is as you say....it would be a HUGE boost of confidence, and we can all go back to trusting SoopY unconditionally.

Plenty of guys like this out there https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-code-reviews-for-altcoins-745275 https://github.com/Earlz/coinreviews https://github.com/Earlz/coinreviews/blob/master/commonproblems.md

Thank God, you have started making reasonable comments. Thanks for the change of tone. This is what we need to succeed, to ultimately get soopy back to business.

SUM2dev

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Quote from: nousernamesleft on September 14, 2014, 01:37:10 PM

Quote from: SUM2dev on September 14, 2014, 01:34:00 PM

Quote from: nousernamesleft on September 14, 2014, 01:28:30 PM

Quote from: SUM2dev on September 14, 2014, 01:25:33 PM

Quote from: nousernamesleft on September 14, 2014, 01:20:51 PM

Is the chat even anonymous? Or is it just a copy of what he did for beecoin on Aug 11......before NAV?

If it's just a copy, not anonymous, and beecoin got the feature first....it says a lot about our development timeline.

Hello
We explained the chat in our last beta client's start announcement. There is non anonymous chat and the anonymous chat, which soopy is finishing. Also pakage works on adding other suggested features/improvements to the beta client.
Cheers

Can we see some proof of code for the anon transactions?

If You want, we can of course ask soopy for that, since that's one of the things he's continuously working on

I think we all understand it's not finished. We'd like to know exactly where we're at. If you want to gain some support, let's have his work up till now reviewed by another developer. If indeed, everything is as you say....it would be a HUGE boost of confidence, and we can all go back to trusting SoopY unconditionally.

Plenty of guys like this out there https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-code-reviews-for-altcoins-745275 https://github.com/Earlz/coinreviews https://github.com/Earlz/coinreviews/blob/master/commonproblems.md

Of course, it's totally understandable guys. We will talk with soopy about that and share all Your suggestions with him. Thank You for support
Cheers

Blady

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Quote from: nousernamesleft on September 14, 2014, 01:14:23 PM

Quote from: bspus on September 14, 2014, 11:35:26 AM

Quote from: nousernamesleft on September 14, 2014, 10:31:20 AM

Just got this PM from strugg.
"Hi nousernamesleft

I'm only negative because I've been waiting almost 3 months for these same promises to manifest...

The thing is... whining will really not make things better eitherway.
If you fear it is a scam, whining will not improve the situation because it will not generate features. It will speed up the downfall of the coin making it even harder for you to get out.
And you have made it clear that you want to get out, right?

Are you are just venting because your investment did now go as planned? Well guess what, we are all on the same boat here. Nobody would have bought had they known what was to follow. I guess our future prediction skills suck.

If you thing there is some hope, again whining will not do anything to speed things up. It might just encourage a few mini-panics along the way, further concentrating the coins within an ever smaller circle of investors. This might not be a big deal IF the coin recovers
In that case it only helps if you are just acting in hopes of getting more cheap coins. As if they are not dirt cheap already. Otherwise, at best you are not doing permanent damage, at worse you are slowing things down and scaring people away

At least that's how I see it, but if you have a plausible justification for whining please let us know

If you consider my valid points 'whining', you need to get your head out of the sand. Asking to be shown the code immediately is a far cry from whining. We invested real money. We should be able to see the state of the project....whatever condition it's in. He's had complete control of the timeline, and project roadmap for 3 months. Let's check his work. Would be nice to have proof of code.

Our decision to hodl or sell should be based on facts....not blind faith in promises.

Tottally agree with nousernameleft. We want to see some work even in progress..

nousernamesleft

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Quote from: SUM2dev on September 14, 2014, 01:34:00 PM

Quote from: nousernamesleft on September 14, 2014, 01:28:30 PM

Quote from: SUM2dev on September 14, 2014, 01:25:33 PM

Quote from: nousernamesleft on September 14, 2014, 01:20:51 PM

Is the chat even anonymous? Or is it just a copy of what he did for beecoin on Aug 11......before NAV?

If it's just a copy, not anonymous, and beecoin got the feature first....it says a lot about our development timeline.

Hello
We explained the chat in our last beta client's start announcement. There is non anonymous chat and the anonymous chat, which soopy is finishing. Also pakage works on adding other suggested features/improvements to the beta client.
Cheers

Can we see some proof of code for the anon transactions?

If You want, we can of course ask soopy for that, since that's one of the things he's continuously working on

I think we all understand it's not finished. We'd like to know exactly where we're at. If you want to gain some support, let's have his work up till now reviewed by another developer. If indeed, everything is as you say....it would be a HUGE boost of confidence, and we can all go back to trusting SoopY unconditionally.

Plenty of guys like this out there https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-code-reviews-for-altcoins-745275 https://github.com/Earlz/coinreviews https://github.com/Earlz/coinreviews/blob/master/commonproblems.md

SUM2dev

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Quote from: nousernamesleft on September 14, 2014, 01:28:30 PM

Quote from: SUM2dev on September 14, 2014, 01:25:33 PM

Quote from: nousernamesleft on September 14, 2014, 01:20:51 PM

Is the chat even anonymous? Or is it just a copy of what he did for beecoin on Aug 11......before NAV?

If it's just a copy, not anonymous, and beecoin got the feature first....it says a lot about our development timeline.

Hello
We explained the chat in our last beta client's start announcement. There is non anonymous chat and the anonymous chat, which soopy is finishing. Also pakage works on adding other suggested features/improvements to the beta client.
Cheers

Can we see some proof of code for the anon transactions?

If You want, we can of course ask soopy for that, since that's one of the things he's continuously working on

nousernamesleft

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Quote from: SUM2dev on September 14, 2014, 01:25:33 PM

Quote from: nousernamesleft on September 14, 2014, 01:20:51 PM

Is the chat even anonymous? Or is it just a copy of what he did for beecoin on Aug 11......before NAV?

If it's just a copy, not anonymous, and beecoin got the feature first....it says a lot about our development timeline.

Hello
We explained the chat in our last beta client's start announcement. There is non anonymous chat and the anonymous chat, which soopy is finishing. Also pakage works on adding other suggested features/improvements to the beta client.
Cheers

Can we see some proof of code for the anon transactions?

SUM2dev

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Official account of NAV Development Team

Quote from: nousernamesleft on September 14, 2014, 01:20:51 PM

Is the chat even anonymous? Or is it just a copy of what he did for beecoin on Aug 11......before NAV?

If it's just a copy, not anonymous, and beecoin got the feature first....it says a lot about our development timeline.

Hello
We explained the chat in our last beta client's start announcement. There is non anonymous chat and the anonymous chat, which soopy is finishing. Also pakage works on adding other suggested features/improvements to the beta client.
Cheers

nousernamesleft

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buy low, sell high

Is the chat even anonymous? Or is it just a copy of what he did for beecoin on Aug 11......before NAV?

If it's just a copy, not anonymous, and beecoin got the feature first....it says a lot about our development timeline.

nousernamesleft

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buy low, sell high

Quote from: bspus on September 14, 2014, 11:35:26 AM

Quote from: nousernamesleft on September 14, 2014, 10:31:20 AM

Just got this PM from strugg.
"Hi nousernamesleft

I'm only negative because I've been waiting almost 3 months for these same promises to manifest...

The thing is... whining will really not make things better eitherway.
If you fear it is a scam, whining will not improve the situation because it will not generate features. It will speed up the downfall of the coin making it even harder for you to get out.
And you have made it clear that you want to get out, right?

Are you are just venting because your investment did now go as planned? Well guess what, we are all on the same boat here. Nobody would have bought had they known what was to follow. I guess our future prediction skills suck.

If you thing there is some hope, again whining will not do anything to speed things up. It might just encourage a few mini-panics along the way, further concentrating the coins within an ever smaller circle of investors. This might not be a big deal IF the coin recovers
In that case it only helps if you are just acting in hopes of getting more cheap coins. As if they are not dirt cheap already. Otherwise, at best you are not doing permanent damage, at worse you are slowing things down and scaring people away

At least that's how I see it, but if you have a plausible justification for whining please let us know

If you consider my valid points 'whining', you need to get your head out of the sand. Asking to be shown the code immediately is a far cry from whining. We invested real money. We should be able to see the state of the project....whatever condition it's in. He's had complete control of the timeline, and project roadmap for 3 months. Let's check his work. Would be nice to have proof of code.

Our decision to hodl or sell should be based on facts....not blind faith in promises.

bspus

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Quote from: nousernamesleft on September 14, 2014, 10:31:20 AM

Just got this PM from strugg.
"Hi nousernamesleft

I'm only negative because I've been waiting almost 3 months for these same promises to manifest...

The thing is... whining will really not make things better eitherway.
If you fear it is a scam, whining will not improve the situation because it will not generate features. It will speed up the downfall of the coin making it even harder for you to get out.
And you have made it clear that you want to get out, right?

Are you are just venting because your investment did now go as planned? Well guess what, we are all on the same boat here. Nobody would have bought had they known what was to follow. I guess our future prediction skills suck.

If you thing there is some hope, again whining will not do anything to speed things up. It might just encourage a few mini-panics along the way, further concentrating the coins within an ever smaller circle of investors. This might not be a big deal IF the coin recovers
In that case it only helps if you are just acting in hopes of getting more cheap coins. As if they are not dirt cheap already. Otherwise, at best you are not doing permanent damage, at worse you are slowing things down and scaring people away

At least that's how I see it, but if you have a plausible justification for whining please let us know

Strugg

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Quote from: GREEDYJOHN on September 14, 2014, 10:52:29 AM

Quote from: nousernamesleft on September 14, 2014, 10:31:20 AM

Just got this PM from strugg.
"Hi nousernamesleft
Like I said I understand You completely and I agree that we need to ask soopy many difficult questions. But please leave it to us - dev Team. You are talking very negatively in the thread about the same things. It won't help You, won't help the Community. We know that we have to ask soopy all these questions and we will do it asap. Things will change. So please just leave it for us and stop writing all the time about that in the thread - You said many important things and we will ask soopy about everything You wanted.
Best Regards
- Strugg"

If Ben Franklin were still alive, I'm sure he'd have a few choice words for him. PRIVACY / SECURITY / FREEDOM All 3 are important, not just the first two and anonymous chat.

I'm only negative because I've been waiting almost 3 months for these same promises to manifest. I left it to the devs, and nothing happened. Trust is at an all time low. Anon was supposed to be ready for beta when I bought in. I think it's time to see some proof of code. NOW. Shit or get off the pot. I invested real money. Let's see what we all invested in!

Be careful who you try to censor. You may be stirring a wasp's nest!

He is not trying to censor you, he is only trying to get soopy back. The real problem is that all negative talk or criticism, however genuine, has the potential to scare a DEV away. How would you feel if you were the DEV and everybody was just complaining after you have put in weeks of hard work and talent for free?

I'm not trying to get soopy back, becouse he didn't go anywhere lol. Just need to improve our way of work and communication, that's also that what nousernamesleft suggested Wink

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