Topic: ★[ANN] [NAV] NAV COIN - Community Fund Live!!! - page 663. (Read 2085654 times)

Whoever has the ability to delete posts please delete this american history of navajo nonsense. Thanks!

Hi guys.... I don't see how they would take developers to court...this is crypto world!!!!
I wish they contact us...that would mean a huge succes of this development. If they do we as a community could donate NavajoCoins to help the strugglin community to set up another Casino... (There's a big controversy in the Navajo nation at the moment with their president http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2790494/washington-redskins-owner-sits-navajo-nation-president-game-against-arizona-cardinals-latest-attempt-defend-team-s-racist-name.html)

The government of the Navajo nation is not the government of the United States.  Navajo Nation is a soverign nation.  You guys say you wish to honor Navajo code talkers, why would you refuse to contact the Navajo nation and ask them what they think of this?  I don't understand the negativity here.

Are you sure you in the right forum? dude this is bitcoin forum. Why do developer have to contact USA gov? USA does not own the world.

Perhaps a positive and wonderful step in the development of NavajoCoin would be for the dev team to contact the Navajo and see if they want to be your partners: http://www.navajo-nsn.gov/

I am not trolling you guys, I have simply brought up an important point, it's too bad the community here seems so set on missing the opportunity to take this in a positive direction.

Again, if you guys do not reply to this post, I will no longer post here.  But if you continue to reply, I will of course respond as well as I can.

CryptoJohn, you are engaging with me so I post again here only to reply.

Yet another facet of institutional racism is embodied in your message.  I can put it succinctly: the Navajo nation is not "history", they are a currently living, vibrant, real people with a political and business structure and only they have the right to decide how their name is applied to business endeavours.  I understand that the intention of this project is to do honor, yet to co-opt the name of a maligned people without asking them whether they want to be associated with your project is yet another incursion on their rights.

Your example of the negro and the word black misses.  "Black" is not the name of an indigenous Nation.  "Navajo" is not a generic English adjective.

You say that "everyone knows the story of the american indian", but is this true?  Does everyone know that American Indian nations are not just "history" but are currently existing nations with the right to self-determination even now?  Your own comments seem to suggest that you are not aware of this and/or you discount it in some way.

oh please no America history and political lesson here. Not all American here and it is crypto currency mean it is not control by any country and it is online currency. Please start own thread in off topic section maybe.
Please focus on Navajocoin and it is future development.

People please vote https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/cryptocurrency-the-alt-ernative-second-edition-vote-985422

At least, just a coin.. And not even that... Just not 2015, but more like the end of 2013, which was also not even the future, but just trash and at least a nice kind of try

Seriously pilot, get a life.

The the coins name is NavajoCoin and it honors peoples sacrifice.
The coin is not named NavajoTribeCoin or NavajoIndianCoin or ToHellWithTheNavajosCoin. Then it seems we would have a problem.

Everyone knows the history of the american indian. It was wrong and tragic but it's history, hence in the past.
The negro was grossly treated as well and enslaved, should we go over to the BlackCoin thread and start a similar conversation?

We are glad you have taken your first law class but please try to understand the difference between political correctness and stupidity for the sake of being verbose.

I'm not sure why you want to drop some kind of ad-hominem attack on me about what history I might or might not know.  All I can do is point to you to the external resources which might edify your state of mind.  As they say, you can lead a horse to water...

Since you (at least the two who bothered to reply) seeminly have no interest in discussing or rectifying what, prima facie, is a morally repugnant stance towards first nations and their rights, I'll leave off posting here with this reiterated warning:

1) You may not see cultural appropriation as problematic, but many people do, and that obviously will affect your bottom line in the long run.
2) Should you manage to gather any actual success in your project while ignoring the ethnocentrism and institutional racisim embodied in your project's name, you'll eventually have to face the fact that legally, only the Navajo nation has a right to call something Navajo (a quick google search turns up many such cases, here's a random one just to show you waht I mean: http://www.culturalsurvival.org/ourpublications/csq/article/protecting-american-indian-intellectual-property-twenty-first-century-th).

Okay, assuming no further replies from you all, I will not post here again.  If the moderator does decide to delete this post or others (this is, after all, a self-moderated thread), then I will simply post this material in a new thread because I want to be on the record as having brought this up with you.

Irishcoin is a good name too.  And we would entertain no fantasies about have a property right in the name.

Your problem is that you know no history or much of anything else but have what Eric Hoffer decried as 'the passionate state of min.'

I suggest that the moderator block this pseudo-lieftie-political stuff.

I have been following this thread some time. I invested a few BTC from last dump. I predict 15k sat when anon will be online. Good work DEV

3) We do not need to be tied down by imaginary rules and regulations

I'm happy to hear that you're diverse however, it's hard to see how this is irrelevant.


When you steal the identity of a maligned population and having no actual association with them this is quite wrong.  I'm not saying you have done this, yet, if you believe that you can call yourself Navajo without actually being a Navajo (some people are, some people aren't, this is a fact of a life), then I think you're missing a reality check.  Again, my opinion.

Imagine I start ENGLISHCOIN  Then I go around doing things in this name.  You say that the people of England have no interest or claim to my usage of the name of their nation?  Now consider switching England (a powerful, first world country) out for a people who have been attacked, subjugated, had treaties broken, etc and still they exist today.  Imagine that someone from the culture who maligned these people was now running around using their name for a project they have nothing to do with.  I don't know whether this is the case but surely you can see how foolish it is to think you have a right to use the name of a People for a project which has nothing to do with them, and without even consulting.



Is ethics and morals imaginary?  Do you consider history to be irrelevant?

My point is that if you consult with Navajo nation you might actually find a willing partner (who knows?).  You might actually pay them honor (presumably this is your intention in using their name).  However, if you steal without consulting then that surely is not honor.

I hope you can think about this further.  Perhaps look twice at the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples.  http://www.un.org/esa/socdev/unpfii/documents/DRIPS_en.pdf

That is a good response to this nonsense, greedyjohn.

1) The ethnicity of the DEVELOPERS and USERS of NAVAJOCOIN are DIVERSE and IRRELEVANT
2) We do not owe anybody an apology for choosing NAVAJO as our coin name.
3) We do not need to be tied down by imaginary rules and regulations

I am not a dev team member but I can tell you it has no affiliation to the Navajo tribe. The name was used as an inspiration and tribute to them for their role in WW2

Who exactly is to be sued? Even if they knew soopy's real identity, he only produced FOSS. He did not sell anything. He certainly never sold "navajo coins" to anyone

On a side note, I made a brief search on the internet to see whether the Apache Software Foundation had to request permission to use the Apache tribe's name.
I couldn't find anything relevant. In their page they do mention that they chose the name out of respect for the tribe's superior combat skills but that's just about it.

If you have any relevant info, please provide it. And if there isn't any, well I suppose if ASF have gotten away using that name, navajocoin is in the clear

You guys never got back to me or answered about whether your coin has any official ties to the navajo nation.  I really think that if it does not, you should reconsider the name for two reasons:

1) History of malignment from european colonizer society against first nations of Americas, this includes cultural appropriation without credit.
2) If your coin is actually successful in the long run you will eventually be sued for trademark/name infringement by the actual Navajos.

Just my opinion, I wonder why you guys don't reply to this point.

I AM NOT SORRY FOR ANY OF THEM, THEY DESERVE NO PITY  . TOUGH LUCK ON THEM
THEY STILL WENT AHEAD AND DUMPED, RUINING THE MARKET FOR EVERYBODY ELSE, EVEN AFTER DEVs HAVE MADE ANNOUNCEMENTS ABOUT CRYPTSY.
THEY SHOULD NEVER MAKE MOCKERY OF THE HARD WORK OF OTHERS

hehe thats no news... its a fact and a lot of us know where it will go.. it is just a matter of time