"I'd dislike the idea of a "second" pre-sale. The ICO map was laid out succinctly and when they go live for the ICO there's STILL regressive bonuses which is a decent incentive to buy in.
Right now there's clearly some concern and reservations surrounding ICOs, especially any that function as financial instruments (which MAAS will), but I think this is a viable and quality concept and would succeed just fine with a regular ICO continuation they should be on track for a successful startup. If they alter that now, changing an early commitment will make me question their longer term reliability to uphold what they say.
TL;DR - If you say you're going to do something and put it on a roadmap... DO that thing."
This was written by dbc23 on july 26th...wonder what hes thinking about mass' reliability now?
Topic: [ANN] [PRE-SALE 30% BONUS] MASS Token - Masternode And Staking Service - page 15. (Read 29225 times)
August 20, 2017, 10:32:47 PM
August 20, 2017, 10:19:44 PM
Guy who committed 40 ETH here and not happy.
Someone said:
They offered refund on bct, twitter, email, telegram. I'm pretty sure that gave us all the opportunity we need.
Please show links for offer of refund on BitcoinTalk and Twitter. There were no such offers.
I received no email with offer of refund.
I am not on Telegram.
Yea my mistake, I thought I saw an offer of refund on twitter but only found the tweet about the manual refund being complete. Bct and telegram is correct atleast.Someone said:
They offered refund on bct, twitter, email, telegram. I'm pretty sure that gave us all the opportunity we need.
Please show links for offer of refund on BitcoinTalk and Twitter. There were no such offers.
I received no email with offer of refund.
I am not on Telegram.
August 20, 2017, 07:53:50 PM
Guy who committed 40 ETH here and not happy.
Someone said:
They offered refund on bct, twitter, email, telegram. I'm pretty sure that gave us all the opportunity we need.
Please show links for offer of refund on BitcoinTalk and Twitter. There were no such offers.
I received no email with offer of refund.
I am not on Telegram.
Someone said:
They offered refund on bct, twitter, email, telegram. I'm pretty sure that gave us all the opportunity we need.
Please show links for offer of refund on BitcoinTalk and Twitter. There were no such offers.
I received no email with offer of refund.
I am not on Telegram.
August 20, 2017, 01:53:17 PM
Facts are important yes. so heres some for you
So, twoturtles is the dev who has singlehandedly taken Neoscoin to a $10,548,783 market cap coin. In a year.
https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/neoscoin/
Through hard work, perserverence, thick and thin and continously adding improvements to the coin. You may not be aware of him but a load of other people are, and he has an outstanding reputation here.
If that isnt the kind of dev who already has experience working on a project, with the ability to deliver significant ROI and add significant value you have got to be kidding yourself.
some of the improvement recently include :-
In-wallet trading (one-click withdrawal, mass order cancellation, one-click deposit, order executions, candlesticks)
An in-wallet block explorer
Encrypted messaging
Live statistics and market data
In-wallet personalized mining worker stats and multipool stats
In-wallet mining calculator
Dashboard news as polled from our Twitter account
Multi-currency conversion data (BTC and 21 different currencies supported)
The ability to export your transactions to 3 different formats (Excel, CSV, and JSON)
Personal aliases for receiving both Neos and messages
One-click wallet updates with automatic notification of new updates
Automatic 24-hour backups of your wallet
Market data and statistics (Neos in circulation, market cap, averaged value, averaged global trade volume)
clearly the mans the bomb. In wallet trading, no mucking about with exchanges. hes a genius.
I esteem the devs behind the project, I dont esteem the bloodsucking laywers holding the project up.
Finally, thank you for the thought out response!! There are good devs on mass, i never said all were not. But if you look at other high quality projects, qrl, shift, etc... Poor marketing and one bad developer can wreck the project or put it behind timelines. So, twoturtles is the dev who has singlehandedly taken Neoscoin to a $10,548,783 market cap coin. In a year.
https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/neoscoin/
Through hard work, perserverence, thick and thin and continously adding improvements to the coin. You may not be aware of him but a load of other people are, and he has an outstanding reputation here.
If that isnt the kind of dev who already has experience working on a project, with the ability to deliver significant ROI and add significant value you have got to be kidding yourself.
some of the improvement recently include :-
In-wallet trading (one-click withdrawal, mass order cancellation, one-click deposit, order executions, candlesticks)
An in-wallet block explorer
Encrypted messaging
Live statistics and market data
In-wallet personalized mining worker stats and multipool stats
In-wallet mining calculator
Dashboard news as polled from our Twitter account
Multi-currency conversion data (BTC and 21 different currencies supported)
The ability to export your transactions to 3 different formats (Excel, CSV, and JSON)
Personal aliases for receiving both Neos and messages
One-click wallet updates with automatic notification of new updates
Automatic 24-hour backups of your wallet
Market data and statistics (Neos in circulation, market cap, averaged value, averaged global trade volume)
clearly the mans the bomb. In wallet trading, no mucking about with exchanges. hes a genius.
I esteem the devs behind the project, I dont esteem the bloodsucking laywers holding the project up.
There's no excuse for not updating telegram announcements though. It takes 5 minutes.
August 20, 2017, 01:23:28 PM
Facts are important yes. so heres some for you
So, twoturtles is the dev who has singlehandedly taken Neoscoin to a $10,548,783 market cap coin. In a year.
https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/neoscoin/
Through hard work, perserverence, thick and thin and continously adding improvements to the coin. You may not be aware of him but a load of other people are, and he has an outstanding reputation here.
If that isnt the kind of dev who already has experience working on a project, with the ability to deliver significant ROI and add significant value you have got to be kidding yourself.
some of the improvement recently include :-
In-wallet trading (one-click withdrawal, mass order cancellation, one-click deposit, order executions, candlesticks)
An in-wallet block explorer
Encrypted messaging
Live statistics and market data
In-wallet personalized mining worker stats and multipool stats
In-wallet mining calculator
Dashboard news as polled from our Twitter account
Multi-currency conversion data (BTC and 21 different currencies supported)
The ability to export your transactions to 3 different formats (Excel, CSV, and JSON)
Personal aliases for receiving both Neos and messages
One-click wallet updates with automatic notification of new updates
Automatic 24-hour backups of your wallet
Market data and statistics (Neos in circulation, market cap, averaged value, averaged global trade volume)
clearly the mans the bomb. In wallet trading, no mucking about with exchanges. hes a genius.
I esteem the devs behind the project, I dont esteem the bloodsucking laywers holding the project up.
So, twoturtles is the dev who has singlehandedly taken Neoscoin to a $10,548,783 market cap coin. In a year.
https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/neoscoin/
Through hard work, perserverence, thick and thin and continously adding improvements to the coin. You may not be aware of him but a load of other people are, and he has an outstanding reputation here.
If that isnt the kind of dev who already has experience working on a project, with the ability to deliver significant ROI and add significant value you have got to be kidding yourself.
some of the improvement recently include :-
In-wallet trading (one-click withdrawal, mass order cancellation, one-click deposit, order executions, candlesticks)
An in-wallet block explorer
Encrypted messaging
Live statistics and market data
In-wallet personalized mining worker stats and multipool stats
In-wallet mining calculator
Dashboard news as polled from our Twitter account
Multi-currency conversion data (BTC and 21 different currencies supported)
The ability to export your transactions to 3 different formats (Excel, CSV, and JSON)
Personal aliases for receiving both Neos and messages
One-click wallet updates with automatic notification of new updates
Automatic 24-hour backups of your wallet
Market data and statistics (Neos in circulation, market cap, averaged value, averaged global trade volume)
clearly the mans the bomb. In wallet trading, no mucking about with exchanges. hes a genius.
I esteem the devs behind the project, I dont esteem the bloodsucking laywers holding the project up.
August 20, 2017, 12:30:23 PM
Even as it stands, we don't have a decision or date on resuming the pre-sale due to the fact we're awaiting details from counsel. If he were to quote a time frame as you're suggesting he should have, it would have been a complete fabrication and guess. Instead of doing that, we've been transparent about the situation throughout. As far as "should have done before preico" as you state, these new guidelines were released by the SEC in the middle of the pre-sale, which in turn was promptly paused in light of. Unfortunately, we're not able to see the future - so preparing for said guidelines ahead of time wasn't a possibility. As far as the amount you have put in, please allow us to offer you a fair exit - post your address and we'll have you sign and verify that it is yours and we will allow a transfer of MASS in our back end system to another user and send you back your ETH. We're incredibly fair people and transparent and we've been working hard to ensure that this surprise of regulatory suggestions are complied with. Other projects in our position who value not just an instant profit but a long-term sustainable model have been exercising the same level of caution, and rightly so. Some others have chosen just to simply assume they've interpreted these guidelines properly and proceed. We can assure you after seeing some of those choosing the latter, it's looking to be a house of cards forming for them. That's not what we want for folks working with us and participating in this project.
No you are correct it's not my right to offer you anything.
However in this post two turtles, one of the highly respected and esteemed devs of mass.
EXPRESSLY AND SPECIFICALLY OFFERS YOU A REFUND
It's time to sh*t or get off the pot.
You may esteem them, but those are your reasons. I make my decisions on facts, not feelings
August 20, 2017, 12:28:11 PM
We have got to put an end to this debate.
Legal councils take time. You think they have nothing else to do but advice MASS team?
There's alot to go over and when this is done, they have to view over the available options AFTER they have all the information. MASS cannot just simply state what they are planning to do before they get to this decision.
Be respectful and ask when they might have an official statement rather than calling out how they haven't yet.
This is FUD we don't need, get a grip and calm yourselves.
Legal councils DO take time, if there was something to analyze. Its all speculation. All legal council should be doing is giving them advice on best possible move and that sadly doesnt take 17 days and counting with no announcement from the team. Legal councils take time. You think they have nothing else to do but advice MASS team?
There's alot to go over and when this is done, they have to view over the available options AFTER they have all the information. MASS cannot just simply state what they are planning to do before they get to this decision.
Be respectful and ask when they might have an official statement rather than calling out how they haven't yet.
This is FUD we don't need, get a grip and calm yourselves.
August 20, 2017, 09:29:05 AM
We have got to put an end to this debate.
Legal councils take time. You think they have nothing else to do but advice MASS team?
There's alot to go over and when this is done, they have to view over the available options AFTER they have all the information. MASS cannot just simply state what they are planning to do before they get to this decision.
Be respectful and ask when they might have an official statement rather than calling out how they haven't yet.
This is FUD we don't need, get a grip and calm yourselves.
Legal councils take time. You think they have nothing else to do but advice MASS team?
There's alot to go over and when this is done, they have to view over the available options AFTER they have all the information. MASS cannot just simply state what they are planning to do before they get to this decision.
Be respectful and ask when they might have an official statement rather than calling out how they haven't yet.
This is FUD we don't need, get a grip and calm yourselves.
This is not FUD. I don't work for a competitor and it isn't in my interest at all to see the project fail. It is healthy and necessary discussion around a project that I've invested money in and am now concerned/have regrets about.
If everything was moving approximately to plan I would be happy to suffer some minor delays, but the delays we're seeing aren't justified in my eyes.
Pending legal advice, put a frickin statement on the site saying U.S. citizens are not able to participate and get on with it. Should have had that statement there from the start. Why the hell do you think EOS hasn't had to shut down operations..... I think EOS is a bit more in the limelight, and to Bob's earlier point, forethought would have meant nothing would be interrupted as it has been.
Anyway, I respect other people's opinion and right to use this thread, so have at it and I'll leave everyone to talk about it going to the moon and all the great things we hope it will do.
Anyone know how we're going to stake our MASS yet? I know a dapp was mentioned in the white paper, but not sure how this will look or what specs it will need to run?
August 20, 2017, 07:04:41 AM
We have got to put an end to this debate.
Legal councils take time. You think they have nothing else to do but advice MASS team?
There's alot to go over and when this is done, they have to view over the available options AFTER they have all the information. MASS cannot just simply state what they are planning to do before they get to this decision.
Be respectful and ask when they might have an official statement rather than calling out how they haven't yet.
This is FUD we don't need, get a grip and calm yourselves.
Legal councils take time. You think they have nothing else to do but advice MASS team?
There's alot to go over and when this is done, they have to view over the available options AFTER they have all the information. MASS cannot just simply state what they are planning to do before they get to this decision.
Be respectful and ask when they might have an official statement rather than calling out how they haven't yet.
This is FUD we don't need, get a grip and calm yourselves.
August 20, 2017, 06:38:54 AM
LOLOL all this for 3 ethers. You don't need to worry then
This is a healthy and appropriate debate. Not all of us can throw away $900 and it matters to those with doubts/concerns as much as it does to supporters with no doubts or concerns.
Marketing should have commenced if this is to be a successful project. It's not easy to gain popularity or momentum. The same questions being asked here are only going to be asked a 1000 times more once the project gains more market exposure.
Twitter, Facebook and this Steemit are all free and strong means of communication and marketing.
The trolling going on between individuals is boring, but analysing points such as Bob and myself have previously made should be of value to everyone invested, including the MASS team.
No one invested without thinking this was going to be a flyer. We all want it to be the success it can be, but there are some fairly big issues to date. Namely that although there has been fair disruption outside of the control of the Mass team, what are we roughly looking at with regards to the funds invested.
Time frames always slip on projects. Even more so given the white hat hacker and SEC issues, but you can still start to communicate plan B, C or the other options under consideration. You can also explain what the impact of various plans are.
August 20, 2017, 02:39:11 AM
Even as it stands, we don't have a decision or date on resuming the pre-sale due to the fact we're awaiting details from counsel. If he were to quote a time frame as you're suggesting he should have, it would have been a complete fabrication and guess. Instead of doing that, we've been transparent about the situation throughout. As far as "should have done before preico" as you state, these new guidelines were released by the SEC in the middle of the pre-sale, which in turn was promptly paused in light of. Unfortunately, we're not able to see the future - so preparing for said guidelines ahead of time wasn't a possibility. As far as the amount you have put in, please allow us to offer you a fair exit - post your address and we'll have you sign and verify that it is yours and we will allow a transfer of MASS in our back end system to another user and send you back your ETH. We're incredibly fair people and transparent and we've been working hard to ensure that this surprise of regulatory suggestions are complied with. Other projects in our position who value not just an instant profit but a long-term sustainable model have been exercising the same level of caution, and rightly so. Some others have chosen just to simply assume they've interpreted these guidelines properly and proceed. We can assure you after seeing some of those choosing the latter, it's looking to be a house of cards forming for them. That's not what we want for folks working with us and participating in this project.
No you are correct it's not my right to offer you anything.
However in this post two turtles, one of the highly respected and esteemed devs of mass.
EXPRESSLY AND SPECIFICALLY OFFERS YOU A REFUND
It's time to sh*t or get off the pot.
August 20, 2017, 02:39:00 AM
LOLOL all this for 3 ethers. You don't need to worry then
August 20, 2017, 02:09:04 AM
Its not your position to offer me anything guy.
August 20, 2017, 02:07:37 AM
Not authorised to give a refund? The devs themselves have repeatedly asked you for your address to refund you.
Now let's make it nice and simple.
You give me the address you contributed from.
I'll send yak 3 eth.
Yak will refund you.
I'll get your presale mass.
Stop dicking around with excuses for why you DON'T want a refund to happen whilst whining there is no refund.
Let's get this done.
Then you can move on with your life and put 3 eth into the Ico of your choice because I think MASS is not for you.
You don't like the team.
You don't like the way they interact with their investors
You don't like the Ann thread
You don't even like the other investors
There is nothing for you in mass except a place for you to grandstand your objections
Now let's make it nice and simple.
You give me the address you contributed from.
I'll send yak 3 eth.
Yak will refund you.
I'll get your presale mass.
Stop dicking around with excuses for why you DON'T want a refund to happen whilst whining there is no refund.
Let's get this done.
Then you can move on with your life and put 3 eth into the Ico of your choice because I think MASS is not for you.
You don't like the team.
You don't like the way they interact with their investors
You don't like the Ann thread
You don't even like the other investors
There is nothing for you in mass except a place for you to grandstand your objections
August 20, 2017, 01:47:42 AM
Boys lets move on from this. This is a great project and I believe will give us great profits$$$ 
But once finalised, hope the DEV does some more marketing, this project is so under the radar
Says the guy with 7 posts, most after i started posting and obviously cant see that this team is incapable of communicating with community via announcements they said they would make in a TIMELY fashion But once finalised, hope the DEV does some more marketing, this project is so under the radar
August 20, 2017, 01:35:07 AM
Boys lets move on from this. This is a great project and I believe will give us great profits$$$
But once finalised, hope the DEV does some more marketing, this project is so under the radar
But once finalised, hope the DEV does some more marketing, this project is so under the radar
August 20, 2017, 01:22:47 AM
Looks more than other projects Kaopu, clear road map, the team to do a lot of things, step by step to hope not to let people down to support his disappointment
August 20, 2017, 01:16:01 AM
Bigbob you have nothing but negativity for this project. The last 5 pages have been full of your whining.
I simply can't understand why you don't divest yourself of your presale mass via the refund you have been offered and take your precious eth and invest it into a project that aligns perfectly with your expectations.
Instead you seem to be hell bent on dragging this projects name through the mud all the while refusing to dissassociate yourself from it.
It's actually quite amusing that you are such a Debbie downer on this project but refuse a refund and just talk crap about it.
"No I don't want a refund. With no skin in the game I can't spend all my time on the forum whining"
Trolling at its finest. I salute your sir.
The mass team is dealing with any technical issues as can be expected.
When it comes to legal council they have employed specialists to assist.
These specialists known as lawyers are discussing the legal ramifications amongst themselves. Once they have made their decision they will inform the mass team in the fullness of time.
And that will be the update everyone is waiting for. Since this part is external to the mass team they are unable to make it go any faster than it is going.
Currently the update stands as we are still awaiting council. Once that changes the information will be disseminated to all and sundry.
And the project will move forward. Until then have patience.
Bro i have not made up one thing ive said. Ive merely looked at what theyve said and looked at their actions and the 2 dont match. They stated twice in their telegram announcement they would reach out and have an announcement in 6 days tops. 17 days later now and nothing. I simply can't understand why you don't divest yourself of your presale mass via the refund you have been offered and take your precious eth and invest it into a project that aligns perfectly with your expectations.
Instead you seem to be hell bent on dragging this projects name through the mud all the while refusing to dissassociate yourself from it.
It's actually quite amusing that you are such a Debbie downer on this project but refuse a refund and just talk crap about it.
"No I don't want a refund. With no skin in the game I can't spend all my time on the forum whining"
Trolling at its finest. I salute your sir.
The mass team is dealing with any technical issues as can be expected.
When it comes to legal council they have employed specialists to assist.
These specialists known as lawyers are discussing the legal ramifications amongst themselves. Once they have made their decision they will inform the mass team in the fullness of time.
And that will be the update everyone is waiting for. Since this part is external to the mass team they are unable to make it go any faster than it is going.
Currently the update stands as we are still awaiting council. Once that changes the information will be disseminated to all and sundry.
And the project will move forward. Until then have patience.
I dont get myself mixed up in emotion, just the facts. Quit telling me about a refund youre not authorized to give. That appears to be your only comeback.
August 20, 2017, 01:00:52 AM
Bigbob you have nothing but negativity for this project. The last 5 pages have been full of your whining.
I simply can't understand why you don't divest yourself of your presale mass via the refund you have been offered and take your precious eth and invest it into a project that aligns perfectly with your expectations.
Instead you seem to be hell bent on dragging this projects name through the mud all the while refusing to dissassociate yourself from it.
It's actually quite amusing that you are such a Debbie downer on this project but refuse a refund and just talk crap about it.
"No I don't want a refund. With no skin in the game I can't spend all my time on the forum whining"
Trolling at its finest. I salute your sir.
The mass team is dealing with any technical issues as can be expected.
When it comes to legal council they have employed specialists to assist.
These specialists known as lawyers are discussing the legal ramifications amongst themselves. Once they have made their decision they will inform the mass team in the fullness of time.
And that will be the update everyone is waiting for. Since this part is external to the mass team they are unable to make it go any faster than it is going.
Currently the update stands as we are still awaiting council. Once that changes the information will be disseminated to all and sundry.
And the project will move forward. Until then have patience.
I simply can't understand why you don't divest yourself of your presale mass via the refund you have been offered and take your precious eth and invest it into a project that aligns perfectly with your expectations.
Instead you seem to be hell bent on dragging this projects name through the mud all the while refusing to dissassociate yourself from it.
It's actually quite amusing that you are such a Debbie downer on this project but refuse a refund and just talk crap about it.
"No I don't want a refund. With no skin in the game I can't spend all my time on the forum whining"
Trolling at its finest. I salute your sir.
The mass team is dealing with any technical issues as can be expected.
When it comes to legal council they have employed specialists to assist.
These specialists known as lawyers are discussing the legal ramifications amongst themselves. Once they have made their decision they will inform the mass team in the fullness of time.
And that will be the update everyone is waiting for. Since this part is external to the mass team they are unable to make it go any faster than it is going.
Currently the update stands as we are still awaiting council. Once that changes the information will be disseminated to all and sundry.
And the project will move forward. Until then have patience.
August 20, 2017, 12:32:56 AM
why the fk would u buy on the market? ox and omisego both recent ico are up x10
and x20 respectively. just need one good ico and your set.
and x20 respectively. just need one good ico and your set.
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