Topic: [ANN] [PRE-SALE 30% BONUS] MASS Token - Masternode And Staking Service - page 17. (Read 29225 times)

This ico is ongoing, its not in the past. Other icos before the ruling, already wouldnt let us and singapores citizens invest because speculation of sec. So, yes, if mass is a security, which so far looks like since it pays a dividend, then how will they know whos invested in their project unless the return everones money, redo preico, and disallow us n singapore investors from get go. Thats due diligence.

Still, the ruling is not retroactive. Meaning they could overview it and state that it should be considered security, but they wont meddle in the past. If this happens in the ICO  however, we'd have a problem. The only way to right every wrong your suggesting is to refund all, period. We shouldn't even be asked, there would be a full reset to honor the laws retroactively.

Can you buy anyone elses presale tokens? Then no, you cant buy mine. If you want tokens to buy, check hitbtc, you may  find some there. No stating facts is not fud brother.

Yes it is, you're stating the facts which make you Fearfull, Uncertain and Doubting the project. So they're figuring that out, maybe they have to refund it all and start all over. I'm happy they're sorting it out.

You're good at talking but not so good at answering questions.

What do you want? Can I buy your tokens?

Obviously. Which is why i never invest more than im wiling to lose.
No, i dont want project to fail at all, but as stated, continually stated, they should have refunded everyone's money if there was a perceived sec risk, because they can have no way of knowing who are us investors.

Stating facts isnt fud brother. Its letting those who are invested heavily to know the risks the developers are taking with others money. Lets work on facts here guys not speculation. If the facts are the developers offered a refund based on perceived fud, why not offer a second refund based on same theory.
But the main issue is, there are us investors, thats a fact. If lawyers say its a security, how are they going to go about identifying the us investors in order to refund money, and if they cant, well then theyre still liable. Only way to handle that is to refund EVERYONES money, then start anew with us and singapore investors blocked.
Dude, id love a magic printing press, where i just throw money at stuff and it comes back 10x, but what im doing now is due diligence, and why im thankful i didnt throw more than i was willing to lose on this project.

The facts may be real but it's also FUD. Is this the first ICO you ever invested in? This whole Cryptoworld is new, volatile and uncertain. A lot of projects have delays, change directions or have other hiccups.

As I recall you were offered a refund, this is something I have seen only a couple token (dev) teams do, and is actually pretty generous and kind.

So my question again... What do you want?

Well you still know the risks of investing, you could lose it all even if you invest into the stockmarket or in the Euro. Would you rather have it that the project fail due to legal issues than it being delayed to make sure nothing like that happens?

NOPE. i was there to invest in a project based on the fine print that was in original contract. What about facts i wrote were wrong?
Delay+evasiveness by a company is never good for your funds.

What about facts i stated were Fud?

Sounds like your here just to buy ico and dump for quick profit. You know there's never a certain gain and therefore you shouldn't be whining, when you know the risks of investing and possibility of hick-ups along the way. They are doing what they can to move forward.
I wouldn't even respond to your complaints because it's so shallow (if I were on the team). Let's hold off the whine and FUD until we see what happens. If we get screwed then flame all you want.

@Bigbobbasher
Do you know the meaning of FUD? What do you want?

I didn't want to be disrespectful or belittle you. But you are now attacking the project I'm invested in so you're indirectly attacking me. Again I'm invested (pretty large) in MASS and I'm happy with the way things are going.

Get out of this project or stay and contribute, It's a simple as that.

And thats precisely what an uninformed investor would say. Instead of answering intelligently and with class, you all claim whining, fud, and claim old info, such as "you couldve gotten a refund for a week." no i dont speak for all investors, but there are plenty, who now getting information since the first refund, COULD entitle them to another refund.
These are the facts about mass so far:
1.good idea, pos and masternodecoin staking.
2.ended preico prematurely due to a whitehat hacker saving the day and buying remaining 3k ether thus "technically" closing preico, due to the terms of the contract.
3.refunds were then announced to anyone who wanted one "due to people complaining their money wasnt safe." there was 5 days to get refund.
4. It was then stated, there would be a community vote of all mass holders as to if they wanted to resume preico. Most were for it as it still didnot seem resuming preico would affect ico resuming by mid to late August.
5. Then, out of nowhere, investors were Told mass had made a decision, Their decision, that they would be seeking legal counsel over the "surprise" sec ruling. Delay. That was August 3rd, when the announcement was made official, but well a week after refunds had been furnished for a previous delay.
6. I am typing this on August 19th, 2.5 weeks after they announced their legal issue, and there is still no word on anything. 16 days for these lawyers to figure out sec ruling? Wow. Delay.
7. This is when they just shouldve refunded Everyones money because what if lawyers come back and say mass is a security, or to err on safe side its perceived as a security, what is mass going to do just refund us ppls ether? How?
8.if preico resumes, its looking like end of August.
9. After preico takes a minute to finish, it appears as though actual ico would continue sometime in mid to late September, which means they have now delayed start time by at least a month and a half, if product launches by october.
Those are facts. Not whining. Its irresponsible to hold anyones funds for longer than originally stated.
People get into icos based on what the developers state. Those who got into dcorp knew their funds wouldnt be released until October, so they planned and invested accordingly. As im sure many of those who invested in mass did so based on the ORGINAL timeframe mass stated.
The reason why there is so much written and speculated on these, any, icos being scams is these developers are able to get away with not being fully transparent, which i thought what was this whole blockchain was supposed to foster.

Could you please stop whining! You're not the only investor and you do NOT represent the voice of all other investors. I had you ignored but you keep persisting with your FUD, so I had to reply.

You had a chance to get your refund, get it and go invest in something else or stay here and support the project and the team. But what you're doing now makes no sense. You are spreading FUD and that does noting but serve your ego.

So again, please get off this thread or stay and support with constructive criticism and/ or recommendations but not with FUD.

There were plenty of icos who already were not allowing is citizens well before the sec ruling. It was written in those icos terms and conditions, and BEFORE they ran their icos they did their due diligence. They didnt start researching legal issues in the middle of the ico, while they already held investors funds hostage.
Any moron can see these are no nos in business ethics.

Yeah, I'm with Bob on this one. I was attacked and patronised for asking what was going on a few days back. Got better things to do with my time than get into it with emotionally charged leadership of MASS, so just sitting back and hoping that I might see my ETH returned at the same once we get the chance to offload MASS on the exchange.

Not interested in linking up with potential buyers but would take an anonymous refund similar to what was offered before. Don't think I'd be alone either.

fin...

One last reply because you dont seem to be getting it.

Your personal concerns have been specifically addressed by 2 ie half the members of the mass team which means they have been given a fair hearing.

You have also been offered an unconditional refund which is about as fair as can be under the circumstances.

The so called "fan boys and patriots" have rallied around and agreed to buy out your other investors should they wish a refund. (there is no one else asking for a refund btw)


ERGO everyone is happy. Everyone is getting what they want.


Except you, because despite being offered a 100% iron clad retreat all money returned exit from this disaster of a project you are still here, flogging the dead horse.

Quite frankly its pathetic. You wouldnt get this level of attention to detail and service from any other ICO and yet you're still here having taken none of the offers made to you acting like a spoilt child screaming the sky is falling. Anyway im not feeding the troll anymore, I bid you a good day.

Chill people, in the real world things take time. I'm glad MASS are checking over the legal aspects and working on the product before plastering the web with ICO ads. It's a great project and I really hope they will be successful.

Yeah ive read the whitepaper, yeah i understand the IDEA of the project, but ive saud what ive said. My concerns should speak for themselves. Alas no one ON THE MASS TEAM appears willing to give them a fair hearing, to me, or the rest of the investors. Fan boys and patriots never want to know the truth.

Ok fan boys. Just know i warned you. I couldnt care less about about my 3 eth.