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Quote from: RoadStress on June 13, 2014, 07:20:13 PM

Quote from: jimmothy on June 13, 2014, 07:11:28 PM

Rockminer is not forcing you to buy more than your home circuit can handle.

Not everyone needs to buy 3kw+ worth of miners to turn a profit.

Sure, but having 6TH/s for 2700W is much better than having 6 spaghetti monsters that do 2.6Th/s for 2900W.

I guarantee that you will have a bigger profit margin on 1.2w/gh @ $0.1/kwh now vs 0.5w/gh @ $0.15/kwh in september.

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http://www.eia.gov/electricity/monthly/epm_table_grapher.cfm?t=epmt_5_6_a

About half of the states average about $0.1/kwh for residential. Not many places have rates below $0.05/kwh but they do exist.

So the average is $0.1/kwh. Add cooling costs and we are at $0.13/kwh. Very very close to the DC costs so that means that there is no benefit in having miners at home.

You don't need to add cooling costs if you are below ~3000W. Only when you need to add an air conditioner.

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You still haven't replied about shipping costs for 84kg for the 5TH/s.

Probably not much considering you could have it shipped via boat and have it in only a month.

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Quote from: Powell on June 13, 2014, 06:32:45 PM

I want to ask some of the self proclaimed DC people who obviously know more than anyone.

Lets say you stuffed 32 SP10's into a rack leaving room for a switch up top. How many circuits would that one rack need? Hell how about you give me a AMP figure.

The SP products are bad ass but I think most of you have to much koolaid you are trying to hand out. You act like you are going to run these miners for years LOL! I kept stuff for no more than 2 months before sold and moved onto newer equipment.

We run a hosting company (don't ask, I won't colo your miners :p). On 208V circuits, we are seeing that each SP10 pulls 6.5A.

32 SP10 x 6.5A = 208A total.

That is AT MINIMUM 7 X 30A circuits for a single cab, leaving you zero margin for fluctuations. Most DCs won't let you pull more than 80% of the rated circuit.

Realistically, the power density is higher than most DCs will let you purchase, even those that advertise high power density.

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With all the above said, the SP10s are still the most power-efficient miners I have seen to date. For our hosting operations I have to buy power in bulk, so I simply squeeze one or two of these SP10s into a cab where I have power that is paid for, but not fully utilized.

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Zvi, I was wondering how to allow API access so MultiMiner can see the miner on the network like it does the Antminers and such.
I have it setup as the default like this.

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api-listen
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api-allow
W:127.0.0.1

It is like something is missing to make it work.

Thanks

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Quote from: jimmothy on June 13, 2014, 07:11:28 PM

Rockminer is not forcing you to buy more than your home circuit can handle.

Not everyone needs to buy 3kw+ worth of miners to turn a profit.

Sure, but having 6TH/s for 2700W is much better than having 6 spaghetti monsters that do 2.6Th/s for 2900W.

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http://www.eia.gov/electricity/monthly/epm_table_grapher.cfm?t=epmt_5_6_a

About half of the states average about $0.1/kwh for residential. Not many places have rates below $0.05/kwh but they do exist.

So the average is $0.1/kwh. Add cooling costs and we are at $0.13/kwh. Very very close to the DC costs so that means that there is no benefit in having miners at home.

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If that is your way of thinking you would probably be interested in a 5PH immersion cooled rig from xbtec. Plenty of power and efficiency.

As I said it's obviously that you are not a miner, but you are trying hard to understand them. Immersion cooling is too expensive for most of the miners. It's for very big mining operations so that's out of the question.

You still haven't replied about shipping costs for 84kg for the 5TH/s.

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Unless you want to start the fire of the century, or you cool with liquid nitrogen, you will never get 32 SP 10s in a single rack...

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Quote from: RoadStress on June 13, 2014, 06:43:01 PM

So you say that not every miner needs to be in a DC, but the home miner is forced into paying more for upgrading his power circuit in order to accommodate that spaghetti monster which is the equivalent of a 2700W SP30 miner.

Rockminer is not forcing you to buy more than your home circuit can handle.

Not everyone needs to buy 3kw+ worth of miners to turn a profit.

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Those paying $0.05/kwh at home are just a few and only in US. Care to share how many states have that power pricing? All europeans pay a lot for power and having $0.15/kwh in a DC is very very good.

http://www.eia.gov/electricity/monthly/epm_table_grapher.cfm?t=epmt_5_6_a

About half of the states average about $0.1/kwh for residential. Not many places have rates below $0.05/kwh but they do exist.

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Yes, but once you hit your ROI the hashrate matters when it comes to profit. Mining with 100GH will leave you with just dust after ROI while mining with 6000GH will help you get a decent profit AFTER you hit ROI. Since you are targeting amateur miners it may sound very ok for them to mine with very little hashpower because they will be able to hit ROI, but their profits will be non-existent or too little to upgrade the miners.

If that is your way of thinking you would probably be interested in a 5PH immersion cooled rig from xbtec. Plenty of power and efficiency.

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Quote from: jimmothy on June 13, 2014, 06:19:42 PM

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Your 2 statements are contradictory. How is the home user going to plug ~5800W in his home?

They are not contradictory. You can order as much watts as your home circuit will allow.

If you insist on 5800w im sure you can figure out how to upgrade your circuit.

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You are obviously not a miner and you don't seem to understand miners needs because having your miners in a DC has a lot more advantages than mining at home. Plus the fact that all miners have most of their power circuits maxed out by now.

You seem to have the misconception that everyone needs to have a few TH to be a miner.

It is just as profitable to mine with 100gh as with 6000gh if the $/gh, w/gh, $/kwh, and difficulty are the same.

Datacenters generally use 30% extra electricity for cooling. Hosting fees basically negate the efficiency advantage of an sp30.

I have yet to see a DC with hosting less than $0.15/kwh yet many people pay less than $0.05/kwh at home.

So you say that not every miner needs to be in a DC, but the home miner is forced into paying more for upgrading his power circuit in order to accommodate that spaghetti monster which is the equivalent of a 2700W SP30 miner. So instead of shipping miners to a DC and have them setup in a day they are forced into getting an electrician over and planning the whole re-wiring scheme. Good advice!

Yes DCs may not go lower than $0.15/kwh, but you also get the cooling that you don't get home (summer is coming) plus that you are not capped when it comes to power.

Those paying $0.05/kwh at home are just a few and only in US. Care to share how many states have that power pricing? All europeans pay a lot for power and having $0.15/kwh in a DC is very very good.

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It is just as profitable to mine with 100gh as with 6000gh if the $/gh, w/gh, $/kwh, and difficulty are the same.

Yes, but once you hit your ROI the hashrate matters when it comes to profit. Mining with 100GH will leave you with just dust after ROI while mining with 6000GH will help you get a decent profit AFTER you hit ROI. Since you are targeting amateur miners it may sound very ok for them to mine with very little hashpower because they will be able to hit ROI, but their profits will be non-existent or too little to upgrade the miners.

Let me repeat myself: 84kgs for just a bit over 5TH/s is a new record

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Quote from: Powell on June 13, 2014, 06:32:45 PM

You act like you are going to run these miners for years LOL! I kept stuff for no more than 2 months before sold and moved onto newer equipment.

Almost forgot that the rxboxes are guaranteed to ROI within 2 months. (before an sp30 preordered today even ships)

So once you sell it, it's pure profit.

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rm -rf stupidity

I want to ask some of the self proclaimed DC people who obviously know more than anyone.

Lets say you stuffed 32 SP10's into a rack leaving room for a switch up top. How many circuits would that one rack need? Hell how about you give me a AMP figure.

The SP products are bad ass but I think most of you have to much koolaid you are trying to hand out. You act like you are going to run these miners for years LOL! I kept stuff for no more than 2 months before sold and moved onto newer equipment.

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Your 2 statements are contradictory. How is the home user going to plug ~5800W in his home?

They are not contradictory. You can order as much watts as your home circuit will allow.

If you insist on 5800w im sure you can figure out how to upgrade your circuit.

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You are obviously not a miner and you don't seem to understand miners needs because having your miners in a DC has a lot more advantages than mining at home. Plus the fact that all miners have most of their power circuits maxed out by now.

You seem to have the misconception that everyone needs to have a few TH to be a miner.

It is just as profitable to mine with 100gh as with 6000gh if the $/gh, w/gh, $/kwh, and difficulty are the same.

Datacenters generally use 30% extra electricity for cooling. Hosting fees basically negate the efficiency advantage of an sp30.

I have yet to see a DC with hosting less than $0.15/kwh yet many people pay less than $0.05/kwh at home.

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Quote from: jimmothy on June 13, 2014, 05:47:00 PM

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Not to argue one side over other, but as of right now one Sp-30=12.72-13.64 RK-boxes (at $7500-8000 plus $600 PSU plus $500 Rpi=total of $8600-9100).

12 rkboxes is 8btc ($4600) plus $100 for psus(10 x $10 dell server psus) plus 1 high end gaming pc for $800 (just because you will have the extra money)

So about $5500 and it's not a preorder.

Your embarrassing yourself, stop it, heck I'm even embarrassed for you. If you had your hands-on a Spondoolies-Tech product you would understand how ridicules your sounding. Your also killing what credibility you think you have. Come back and comment AFTER you have experienced products in your position and then post your opinion?

Regards,

~Blaise

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Quote from: jimmothy on June 13, 2014, 05:56:05 PM

Quote from: raskul on June 13, 2014, 05:52:49 PM

and how much electric are you pulling from a residential circuit with that massive bank of PSU's?

Well each unit is only 480w (~120w per blade). Nobody's going to make you order more than your home circuit can handle.

Quote from: RoadStress on June 13, 2014, 05:54:57 PM

It seems that the spaghetti monster is aimed for the amateur home user/miner.

Now you're getting it. Not every miner needs to be in a DC you know.

Your 2 statements are contradictory. How is the home user going to plug ~5800W in his home?

You are obviously not a miner and you don't seem to understand miners needs because having your miners in a DC has a lot more advantages than mining at home. Plus the fact that all miners have most of their power circuits maxed out by now.

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Quote from: raskul on June 13, 2014, 05:52:49 PM

and how much electric are you pulling from a residential circuit with that massive bank of PSU's?

Well each unit is only 480w (~120w per blade). Nobody's going to make you order more than your home circuit can handle.

Quote from: RoadStress on June 13, 2014, 05:54:57 PM

It seems that the spaghetti monster is aimed for the amateur home user/miner.

Now you're getting it. Not every miner needs to be in a DC you know.

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Quote from: jimmothy on June 13, 2014, 05:47:00 PM

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Not to argue one side over other, but as of right now one Sp-30=12.72-13.64 RK-boxes (at $7500-8000 plus $600 PSU plus $500 Rpi=total of $8600-9100).

12 rkboxes is 8btc ($4600) plus $100 for psus(10 x $10 dell server psus) plus 1 high end gaming pc for $800 (just because you will have the extra money)

So about $5500 and it's not a preorder.

And how much is the delivery for the 84 kgs?

It seems that the spaghetti monster is aimed for the amateur home user/miner. 0 stackability, bad power efficiency, A LOT of wires and a lot of work to set them up while the SP30 will be just a 2U box with 2 cables to plug (power and ethernet). I assume there is A LOT of space needed for those 12 abominations. Good luck on your next dividends. You will need it!

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Quote from: jimmothy on June 13, 2014, 05:47:00 PM

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Not to argue one side over other, but as of right now one Sp-30=12.72-13.64 RK-boxes (at $7500-8000 plus $600 PSU plus $500 Rpi=total of $8600-9100).

12 rkboxes is 8btc ($4600) plus $100 for psus(10 x $10 dell server psus) plus 1 high end gaming pc for $800 (just because you will have the extra money)

So about $5500 and it's not a preorder.

and how much electric are you pulling from a residential circuit with that massive bank of PSU's?

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Not to argue one side over other, but as of right now one Sp-30=12.72-13.64 RK-boxes (at $7500-8000 plus $600 PSU plus $500 Rpi=total of $8600-9100).

12 rkboxes is 8btc ($4600) plus $100 for psus(10 x $10 dell server psus) plus 1 high end gaming pc for $800 (just because you will have the extra money)

So about $5500 and it's not a preorder.

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Quote from: jonnybravo0311 on June 13, 2014, 05:26:29 PM

Quote from: jimmothy on June 13, 2014, 04:55:38 PM

Quote from: Guy Corem on June 10, 2014, 01:23:44 AM

Hello my friend, I've missed you. Is it too boring at one of AM threads ?

None of those companies can match the price point of SP30 with current gen and Q3 planned hardware.

It has already been done.

http://shop.rockminer.com/goods.php?id=34

2880gh for 4btc.

I see a render, not a product. I also see 2.4TH/s, not 2.88. Oh, and it'll need 2880 watts (maybe you swapped the hash rate / power consumption). 2 of these things still won't get you the equivalent of 1 SP30 hashing rate. Oh, and price. 8BTC for 2, no PSUs included, which puts it more expensive than the SP30 for less hashing.

Might want to reconsider the "It has already been done" statement.

Not to argue one side over other, but as of right now one Sp-30=12.72-13.64 RK-boxes (at $7500-8000 plus $600 PSU plus $500 Rpi=total of $8600-9100).
So, you pay premium now for sure. i think that Rk-box is overpriced because it is aimed at "home" market. I feel that spondoolies had proven themselves as very able engineers.
Besides, I would probably switch mostly to colocation-too much trouble "hosting' these beasts at home, at least during summer.

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I see a render, not a product. I also see 2.4TH/s, not 2.88. Oh, and it'll need 2880 watts (maybe you swapped the hash rate / power consumption). 2 of these things still won't get you the equivalent of 1 SP30 hashing rate. Oh, and price. 8BTC for 2, no PSUs included, which puts it more expensive than the SP30 for less hashing.

They have working machines:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/rk-box450ghs480w-shipping-date-25th-648455

And they are swapping each order for 4 rxboxes for 6 rkboxes(480gh each) for a total of 2880gh.

No psus included but they are only ~$10 each.

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Quote from: jimmothy on June 13, 2014, 04:55:38 PM

Quote from: Guy Corem on June 10, 2014, 01:23:44 AM

Hello my friend, I've missed you. Is it too boring at one of AM threads ?

None of those companies can match the price point of SP30 with current gen and Q3 planned hardware.

It has already been done.

http://shop.rockminer.com/goods.php?id=34

2880gh for 4btc.

I see a render, not a product. I also see 2.4TH/s, not 2.88. Oh, and it'll need 2880 watts (maybe you swapped the hash rate / power consumption). 2 of these things still won't get you the equivalent of 1 SP30 hashing rate. Oh, and price. 8BTC for 2, no PSUs included, which puts it more expensive than the SP30 for less hashing.

Might want to reconsider the "It has already been done" statement.

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Quote from: jimmothy on June 13, 2014, 04:55:38 PM

Quote from: Guy Corem on June 10, 2014, 01:23:44 AM

Hello my friend, I've missed you. Is it too boring at one of AM threads ?

None of those companies can match the price point of SP30 with current gen and Q3 planned hardware.

It has already been done.

http://shop.rockminer.com/goods.php?id=34

2880gh for 4btc.

Don't forget 4x PSU's to run them, and 1.2w/GH is going backwards, machines need to be getting more effecient not less.

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