Also forgot to mention, we will likely be using the gravity well algo in the next public update, unless anyone has any major issues with it. From what I've seen coins that use the gravity well algo no longer have trouble with multipools.
So before the gravity well is implemented get mining! The difficulty is still low right now so you can make quite a lot of TIPS while helping the network out too!
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February 01, 2014, 10:45:55 PM
February 01, 2014, 10:27:45 PM
02 February 2014 - FedoraCoin announces world first coin mixing feature and beta release.
Mixing beta is released on IRC in #team-tips on freenode, a web-client is at https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.freenode.net/#team-tips
Now that we've had confirmation it works, time to announce the new feature we've been working on.
As you can see at the image at http://imgur.com/TjgdW4h, a new "Mix Coins" option has been added to the wallet.
That's right, you can now mix coins directly from the wallet! Coins you send to people can be transparently sent to a mixing node, which will then queue the transaction and every 7 minutes send the queued transactions out to the destinations. RPC consumers can also make sure of the mixing feature by setting the "mix" parameter in the sendtoaddress/sendfrom/sendmany commands to true.
In case you don't know what coin mixing is, it allows you to mix up the coins you send to someone and make their origin completely untraceable.
Right now we only have one mixing node online which is operated by me. By release we hope to be able to support many mixer nodes, so long as they get approved by the development team first. Allowing anyone to start a mixing node would be nice but there's a lot of risks that involves... If in the future we can mitigate those risks we will do it as soon as we can, but the current architecture doesn't really lend itself to having completely trust-less coin mixing.
Why?
What with governments and other entities starting to become more and more aware of cryptocurrencies it's become apparent that they, along with services such as Coin Validation, seek to disturb the pseudo-anonymous nature of cryptocurrency. By attempting to track down coins and keep a paper trail of where they've been, they're trying to turn cryptocoins into another glorified credit card provider, allowing governments, law enforcement officers and people-with-the-right-friends to track down where you've spent your coins at.
Hearing about this unsettled me, it seemed to me like they almost wanted to destroy the very nature of cryptocoins. I first heard about this when I started using StableCoins, the developer of that coin had announced plans for a mixing feature of his own, giving a detailed write up about why it's needed (the writeup is available at https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-fighting-coinvalidation-introducing-the-new-stablecoin-mixing-service-353971 it's a very good read and should help you realize why mixing features are important).
As a holder of StableCoins I waited a long time for the mixing feature of StableCoin to come about, but after some sad months of waiting and hearing almost nothing from the developer, I decided to try adding it myself. After around a day or so of straight coding (and energy drink abuse
) FedoraCoins mixing feature was born.
Release information
A release will be coming very soon, I only have to clean up a few rough parts on the wallet, add multi-mixing node support and ensure everything works. Once all that's done we can make a full public release.
Until that time there's a beta version available for testing on IRC. Join the room #Team-TIPS on freenode to take part.
The beta currently only supports the mixing nodes that I operate, but the full public release should either allow you to choose what node to use, or choose the node randomly (haven't decided yet, join #Team-TIPS if you have any ideas!)
Also, for anyone wondering, this doesn't cause a hard fork I worked hard to ensure that older clients will still accept mixed transactions, and it looks like that work paid off.
A small note: Due to this feature not being planned from the outset of FedoraCoin there was no pre-mine or even any attempts to gather coins for the mixer. The beta node currently has around 10 million TIPS to mix with, which is hardly a lot considering many people own 500 million or more.
If you feel that this mixing idea would be good for FedoraCoin feel free to donate to the mixer node, the main address used by it is ETSzZNZyAt1XhbKUReneEb5YkmMjVXTzBy
Technical explanation / use case
Mixing nodes are split into two parts, a sender node and a receiver node, these two nodes are in two different locations completely apart from each other and only communicate to each other via Tor.
Alice sends a transaction to Bob's address with the mix option turned on
Transaction is sent out (transparently) to the mixing receiver nodes address, to Alice it'll show in history as a transaction sent to the mixer.
Transaction outputs in the transaction are exploited to store the mixing data (to allow older clients to accept the transaction), encrypted with the receiver nodes public key.
Receiver node receives the transaction and decrypts the destination addresses with its private key
(at this stage the Receiver node knows Alice's address, Bob's address and the amount)
Receiver node checks if the sender node has enough coins, using RPC over Tor. If it doesn't the sent coins are refunded.
Receiver node queues the transaction.
Every 7 minutes on the receiver node, the node sends all the queued transactions to the sender node via RPC, over Tor to ensure their communication is private.
(once the queued transactions are sent the receiver node removes all traces of the decrypted transaction data, only storing hashes of the transaction ID and destination address to aid with problems such as missing coins. Since they're hashed there's no way to identify where they were going unless you already know the destination)
Sender node's RPC daemon receives the send coin request and checks the RPC connection info (user/pass/etc) to ensure it's from the receiver. If it's invalid it disregards it.
(at this stage the Sender only knows Bob's address and the amount, not Alice's address)
Sender node sends the coins as a normal transaction to the destination address (the sender node would also have all of it's balance split between different addresses for extra security)
Bob receives the coins, with no connection to Alice recorded on the blockchain at all.
Alice's address is recorded to have used the coin mixer, but thanks to the public-key encrypted transaction info the destination of the coins cannot be found.
Risks
Node may be compromised:
- The Receiver doesn't send any communications out to the network at all, it only listens to the network.
The only communications it makes are to the Sender over Tor, so there is no way to trace it back and find where the Receiver node is
- The only node that would be connected to the destination is the Sender, so any investigators would only be able to track the Sender (if at all)
- The Sender node only knows about the destination address and the amount, not who sent it
- The sender of the coins (Alice) can rest assured that nobody would be able to find out that they sent the coins, unless the Receiver node was compromised, which is an almost 1 in a billion chance as it only listens to the network and communicates over Tor.
Thanks for reading this, I hope you'll find coin mixing as useful as I've designed it to be!
Mixing beta is released on IRC in #team-tips on freenode, a web-client is at https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.freenode.net/#team-tips
Now that we've had confirmation it works, time to announce the new feature we've been working on.
As you can see at the image at http://imgur.com/TjgdW4h, a new "Mix Coins" option has been added to the wallet.
That's right, you can now mix coins directly from the wallet! Coins you send to people can be transparently sent to a mixing node, which will then queue the transaction and every 7 minutes send the queued transactions out to the destinations. RPC consumers can also make sure of the mixing feature by setting the "mix" parameter in the sendtoaddress/sendfrom/sendmany commands to true.
In case you don't know what coin mixing is, it allows you to mix up the coins you send to someone and make their origin completely untraceable.
Right now we only have one mixing node online which is operated by me. By release we hope to be able to support many mixer nodes, so long as they get approved by the development team first. Allowing anyone to start a mixing node would be nice but there's a lot of risks that involves... If in the future we can mitigate those risks we will do it as soon as we can, but the current architecture doesn't really lend itself to having completely trust-less coin mixing.
Why?
What with governments and other entities starting to become more and more aware of cryptocurrencies it's become apparent that they, along with services such as Coin Validation, seek to disturb the pseudo-anonymous nature of cryptocurrency. By attempting to track down coins and keep a paper trail of where they've been, they're trying to turn cryptocoins into another glorified credit card provider, allowing governments, law enforcement officers and people-with-the-right-friends to track down where you've spent your coins at.
Hearing about this unsettled me, it seemed to me like they almost wanted to destroy the very nature of cryptocoins. I first heard about this when I started using StableCoins, the developer of that coin had announced plans for a mixing feature of his own, giving a detailed write up about why it's needed (the writeup is available at https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-fighting-coinvalidation-introducing-the-new-stablecoin-mixing-service-353971 it's a very good read and should help you realize why mixing features are important).
As a holder of StableCoins I waited a long time for the mixing feature of StableCoin to come about, but after some sad months of waiting and hearing almost nothing from the developer, I decided to try adding it myself. After around a day or so of straight coding (and energy drink abuse
) FedoraCoins mixing feature was born.Release information
A release will be coming very soon, I only have to clean up a few rough parts on the wallet, add multi-mixing node support and ensure everything works. Once all that's done we can make a full public release.
Until that time there's a beta version available for testing on IRC. Join the room #Team-TIPS on freenode to take part.
The beta currently only supports the mixing nodes that I operate, but the full public release should either allow you to choose what node to use, or choose the node randomly (haven't decided yet, join #Team-TIPS if you have any ideas!)
Also, for anyone wondering, this doesn't cause a hard fork
I worked hard to ensure that older clients will still accept mixed transactions, and it looks like that work paid off.A small note: Due to this feature not being planned from the outset of FedoraCoin there was no pre-mine or even any attempts to gather coins for the mixer. The beta node currently has around 10 million TIPS to mix with, which is hardly a lot considering many people own 500 million or more.
If you feel that this mixing idea would be good for FedoraCoin feel free to donate to the mixer node, the main address used by it is ETSzZNZyAt1XhbKUReneEb5YkmMjVXTzBy
Technical explanation / use case
Mixing nodes are split into two parts, a sender node and a receiver node, these two nodes are in two different locations completely apart from each other and only communicate to each other via Tor.
Alice sends a transaction to Bob's address with the mix option turned on
Transaction is sent out (transparently) to the mixing receiver nodes address, to Alice it'll show in history as a transaction sent to the mixer.
Transaction outputs in the transaction are exploited to store the mixing data (to allow older clients to accept the transaction), encrypted with the receiver nodes public key.
Receiver node receives the transaction and decrypts the destination addresses with its private key
(at this stage the Receiver node knows Alice's address, Bob's address and the amount)
Receiver node checks if the sender node has enough coins, using RPC over Tor. If it doesn't the sent coins are refunded.
Receiver node queues the transaction.
Every 7 minutes on the receiver node, the node sends all the queued transactions to the sender node via RPC, over Tor to ensure their communication is private.
(once the queued transactions are sent the receiver node removes all traces of the decrypted transaction data, only storing hashes of the transaction ID and destination address to aid with problems such as missing coins. Since they're hashed there's no way to identify where they were going unless you already know the destination)
Sender node's RPC daemon receives the send coin request and checks the RPC connection info (user/pass/etc) to ensure it's from the receiver. If it's invalid it disregards it.
(at this stage the Sender only knows Bob's address and the amount, not Alice's address)
Sender node sends the coins as a normal transaction to the destination address (the sender node would also have all of it's balance split between different addresses for extra security)
Bob receives the coins, with no connection to Alice recorded on the blockchain at all.
Alice's address is recorded to have used the coin mixer, but thanks to the public-key encrypted transaction info the destination of the coins cannot be found.
Risks
Node may be compromised:
- The Receiver doesn't send any communications out to the network at all, it only listens to the network.
The only communications it makes are to the Sender over Tor, so there is no way to trace it back and find where the Receiver node is
- The only node that would be connected to the destination is the Sender, so any investigators would only be able to track the Sender (if at all)
- The Sender node only knows about the destination address and the amount, not who sent it
- The sender of the coins (Alice) can rest assured that nobody would be able to find out that they sent the coins, unless the Receiver node was compromised, which is an almost 1 in a billion chance as it only listens to the network and communicates over Tor.
Thanks for reading this, I hope you'll find coin mixing as useful as I've designed it to be!
February 01, 2014, 12:47:40 PM
February 01, 2014, 12:40:07 PM
Bet on the NFL Super Bowl with TIPS https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/gambling-bet-on-the-nfl-super-bowl-moon-nan-eac-tips-lot-pot-smc-442201
Accepted MOON, NAN, EAC, TIPS, LOT, POT, SMC
Accepted MOON, NAN, EAC, TIPS, LOT, POT, SMC
February 01, 2014, 12:31:28 PM
you also not have to think these jumps in diff are only the known multipools.
There are guys already have ASIC´s for scrypt coins and have the power to do
switch their miners to the most profitable coins. These ASIC will destroy the
dezentralicised communitys and will let grow to centralised big investors that
can control the scrypt coins with their ASICS.
Small miners using GPUs will only pay for electricity and wont get enough coins to cover their
bills. You should also think about switching to some coins wich are ASIC resistant.
+1 There are guys already have ASIC´s for scrypt coins and have the power to do
switch their miners to the most profitable coins. These ASIC will destroy the
dezentralicised communitys and will let grow to centralised big investors that
can control the scrypt coins with their ASICS.
Small miners using GPUs will only pay for electricity and wont get enough coins to cover their
bills. You should also think about switching to some coins wich are ASIC resistant.
February 01, 2014, 12:31:09 PM
you also not have to think these jumps in diff are only the known multipools.
There are guys already have ASIC´s for scrypt coins and have the power to do
switch their miners to the most profitable coins. These ASIC will destroy the
dezentralicised communitys and will let grow to centralised big investors that
can control the scrypt coins with their ASICS.
Small miners using GPUs will only pay for electricity and wont get enough coins to cover their
bills. You should also think about switching to some coins wich are ASIC resistant.
There are guys already have ASIC´s for scrypt coins and have the power to do
switch their miners to the most profitable coins. These ASIC will destroy the
dezentralicised communitys and will let grow to centralised big investors that
can control the scrypt coins with their ASICS.
Small miners using GPUs will only pay for electricity and wont get enough coins to cover their
bills. You should also think about switching to some coins wich are ASIC resistant.
i think vertcoin is asic and multipool resistant..i have invested there.
February 01, 2014, 10:07:18 AM
you also not have to think these jumps in diff are only the known multipools.
There are guys already have ASIC´s for scrypt coins and have the power to do
switch their miners to the most profitable coins. These ASIC will destroy the
dezentralicised communitys and will let grow to centralised big investors that
can control the scrypt coins with their ASICS.
Small miners using GPUs will only pay for electricity and wont get enough coins to cover their
bills. You should also think about switching to some coins wich are ASIC resistant.
There are guys already have ASIC´s for scrypt coins and have the power to do
switch their miners to the most profitable coins. These ASIC will destroy the
dezentralicised communitys and will let grow to centralised big investors that
can control the scrypt coins with their ASICS.
Small miners using GPUs will only pay for electricity and wont get enough coins to cover their
bills. You should also think about switching to some coins wich are ASIC resistant.
February 01, 2014, 06:04:14 AM
Thanks alot, now some idiot won't stop posting this comparison on the do/g/ecoin thread.
Thanks a lot for telling people good news about TIPS? What? You obviously aren't a TIPS miner.i am sorry but:
pools are mining at low difficulty 10 blocks super fast, while rest of regular miners doing hard job mining another 10 blocks under 160-190 diff super slow, so you can't put 30.0000 difficulty at field, if you put the correct true values it is only 1,33$ per day compared to 6,5$ Doge
Anyway I've got a very nice announcement to make soon, something that show blow people away. If you want to hear more join us on IRC.
February 01, 2014, 01:07:03 AM
watch. they will jump in as soon as it shows difficulty drop
February 01, 2014, 01:03:05 AM
if you saw huge spike its only to momentarly artificial pumps done by people to make a quick buck
February 01, 2014, 01:02:27 AM
this coin, just like any coins it needs 1 block re targets. there are individual big hash people and huge pools that will pump and mine this until its dry
how is this being addressed. coinwarz.com coins can not see the light if they show profitability coins.
how is this being addressed. coinwarz.com coins can not see the light if they show profitability coins.
January 31, 2014, 11:53:11 PM
Up to 50 again guys - good job to those who pushed their sell orders back to 64-68, when we move as a unit we make more money! If we can knock off a chunk of that 51 Buy wall we could see anything from 52 to 56 which would be a great recovery considering today's dumping.
Good things!
Good things!
Still wont be happy till we see double that
I'll keep holding though. Lets hope difficulty can be sorted and we can get a decent TIPS/BTC rate.
January 31, 2014, 09:52:33 PM
Up to 50 again guys - good job to those who pushed their sell orders back to 64-68, when we move as a unit we make more money! If we can knock off a chunk of that 51 Buy wall we could see anything from 52 to 56 which would be a great recovery considering today's dumping.
Good things!
Good things!
January 31, 2014, 08:05:03 PM
Also guys, any changes to the difficulty algo will take at minimum a month for them to kick in (so we can be sure everybody has updated). It's useless groaning on about it, the best solution right now is to spread euphoria and enlighten people to the fact that Fedora is more profitable than DOGE or any other coin.
Proof that we're the most profitable:
http://www.coinwarz.com/calculators/dogecoin-mining-calculator/?h=500&p=0&pc=0&pf=0.00&d=1319.14716337&r=500000.00000000&er=0.00000189&btcer=936.41510000&hc=0.00
That's the calculator for DogeCoin
http://www.coinwarz.com/calculators/dogecoin-mining-calculator/?h=500.00&p=0.00&pc=0.00&pf=0.00&d=30&r=2500000.00000000&er=0.00000001&btcer=936.41510000&hc=0.00
That's the calculator for FedoraCoin (remember that we're based on DogeCoin) at a normal, non-multipool difficulty (this is the reason Multipools target us!)
Feel free to spread this around, the more dedicated miners we have the less the multipools will effect us!
Thanks alot, now some idiot won't stop posting this comparison on the do/g/ecoin thread. Proof that we're the most profitable:
http://www.coinwarz.com/calculators/dogecoin-mining-calculator/?h=500&p=0&pc=0&pf=0.00&d=1319.14716337&r=500000.00000000&er=0.00000189&btcer=936.41510000&hc=0.00
That's the calculator for DogeCoin
http://www.coinwarz.com/calculators/dogecoin-mining-calculator/?h=500.00&p=0.00&pc=0.00&pf=0.00&d=30&r=2500000.00000000&er=0.00000001&btcer=936.41510000&hc=0.00
That's the calculator for FedoraCoin (remember that we're based on DogeCoin) at a normal, non-multipool difficulty (this is the reason Multipools target us!)
Feel free to spread this around, the more dedicated miners we have the less the multipools will effect us!
January 31, 2014, 06:21:39 PM
Also guys, any changes to the difficulty algo will take at minimum a month for them to kick in (so we can be sure everybody has updated). It's useless groaning on about it, the best solution right now is to spread euphoria and enlighten people to the fact that Fedora is more profitable than DOGE or any other coin.
Proof that we're the most profitable:
http://www.coinwarz.com/calculators/dogecoin-mining-calculator/?h=500&p=0&pc=0&pf=0.00&d=1319.14716337&r=500000.00000000&er=0.00000189&btcer=936.41510000&hc=0.00
That's the calculator for DogeCoin
http://www.coinwarz.com/calculators/dogecoin-mining-calculator/?h=500.00&p=0.00&pc=0.00&pf=0.00&d=30&r=2500000.00000000&er=0.00000001&btcer=936.41510000&hc=0.00
That's the calculator for FedoraCoin (remember that we're based on DogeCoin) at a normal, non-multipool difficulty (this is the reason Multipools target us!)
Feel free to spread this around, the more dedicated miners we have the less the multipools will effect us!
Proof that we're the most profitable:
http://www.coinwarz.com/calculators/dogecoin-mining-calculator/?h=500&p=0&pc=0&pf=0.00&d=1319.14716337&r=500000.00000000&er=0.00000189&btcer=936.41510000&hc=0.00
That's the calculator for DogeCoin
http://www.coinwarz.com/calculators/dogecoin-mining-calculator/?h=500.00&p=0.00&pc=0.00&pf=0.00&d=30&r=2500000.00000000&er=0.00000001&btcer=936.41510000&hc=0.00
That's the calculator for FedoraCoin (remember that we're based on DogeCoin) at a normal, non-multipool difficulty (this is the reason Multipools target us!)
Feel free to spread this around, the more dedicated miners we have the less the multipools will effect us!
i am sorry but:
pools are mining at low difficulty 10 blocks super fast, while rest of regular miners doing hard job mining another 10 blocks under 160-190 diff super slow, so you can't put 30.0000 difficulty at field, if you put the correct true values it is only 1,33$ per day compared to 6,5$ Doge
January 31, 2014, 06:01:29 PM
I had to stop mining it since I was loosing $$$. Mined and bought a lot. Sold some at 131 and bought back at 70 or so.
Switched to another profitable coin until this is resolved.
Switched to another profitable coin until this is resolved.
January 31, 2014, 05:47:44 PM
Also guys, any changes to the difficulty algo will take at minimum a month for them to kick in (so we can be sure everybody has updated). It's useless groaning on about it, the best solution right now is to spread euphoria and enlighten people to the fact that Fedora is more profitable than DOGE or any other coin.
Proof that we're the most profitable:
http://www.coinwarz.com/calculators/dogecoin-mining-calculator/?h=500&p=0&pc=0&pf=0.00&d=1319.14716337&r=500000.00000000&er=0.00000189&btcer=936.41510000&hc=0.00
That's the calculator for DogeCoin
http://www.coinwarz.com/calculators/dogecoin-mining-calculator/?h=500.00&p=0.00&pc=0.00&pf=0.00&d=30&r=2500000.00000000&er=0.00000001&btcer=936.41510000&hc=0.00
That's the calculator for FedoraCoin (remember that we're based on DogeCoin) at a normal, non-multipool difficulty (this is the reason Multipools target us!)
Feel free to spread this around, the more dedicated miners we have the less the multipools will effect us!
Proof that we're the most profitable:
http://www.coinwarz.com/calculators/dogecoin-mining-calculator/?h=500&p=0&pc=0&pf=0.00&d=1319.14716337&r=500000.00000000&er=0.00000189&btcer=936.41510000&hc=0.00
That's the calculator for DogeCoin
http://www.coinwarz.com/calculators/dogecoin-mining-calculator/?h=500.00&p=0.00&pc=0.00&pf=0.00&d=30&r=2500000.00000000&er=0.00000001&btcer=936.41510000&hc=0.00
That's the calculator for FedoraCoin (remember that we're based on DogeCoin) at a normal, non-multipool difficulty (this is the reason Multipools target us!)
Feel free to spread this around, the more dedicated miners we have the less the multipools will effect us!
January 31, 2014, 05:03:00 PM
+539.38 % on coinmarketcap???
January 31, 2014, 04:39:59 PM
Looks like the DNS seed died while I was asleep, I've set it up to auto restart if it dies again so there shouldn't be any problems with peer discovery any more, thanks for helping people to connect while it was down though, it's great to see how the community here helps out 
We're trying to think of a new algo over at #TIPS on irc.freenode.net, any helpful advice and ideas are appreciated (people who write things like " lol at 100k we are dead 
ha ha" without giving any factual reasons will be banned however)
I also got in touch with CoinMarketCap and asked them to update the chain explorer, which got done pretty fast, the admins there are helpful people It should be showing our proper total supply and other stats now, many thanks Gliss
We're trying to think of a new algo over at #TIPS on irc.freenode.net, any helpful advice and ideas are appreciated (people who write things like "
ha ha" without giving any factual reasons will be banned however)I also got in touch with CoinMarketCap and asked them to update the chain explorer, which got done pretty fast, the admins there are helpful people
It should be showing our proper total supply and other stats now, many thanks Gliss Well... some good news around the bad ones (with the price). I'll keep my coins to the end, but I hope that end is in near future.
Keep up with the good work.. there are still many people (like me) who support the coin. I'll be glad to help with something else, but I am far from developer. January 31, 2014, 04:25:20 PM
Looks like the DNS seed died while I was asleep, I've set it up to auto restart if it dies again so there shouldn't be any problems with peer discovery any more, thanks for helping people to connect while it was down though, it's great to see how the community here helps out
We're trying to think of a new algo over at #TIPS on irc.freenode.net, any helpful advice and ideas are appreciated (people who write things like " lol at 100k we are dead ha ha" without giving any factual reasons will be banned however)
I also got in touch with CoinMarketCap and asked them to update the chain explorer, which got done pretty fast, the admins there are helpful people It should be showing our proper total supply and other stats now, many thanks Gliss
We're trying to think of a new algo over at #TIPS on irc.freenode.net, any helpful advice and ideas are appreciated (people who write things like "
ha ha" without giving any factual reasons will be banned however)I also got in touch with CoinMarketCap and asked them to update the chain explorer, which got done pretty fast, the admins there are helpful people
It should be showing our proper total supply and other stats now, many thanks Gliss Jump to: