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NLG is just another shit coin.

Support appreciated. Dedicated miners are welcome Cool Almost 70 merchants in the Netherlands now and growing and nice projects coming. We can already buy clothes, coffee, beer, wine, get a massage, lasertreatment, buy books, buy design lamps, buy games, buy services, buy snacks, buy Subway sandwiches etc, etc. with Guldencoin. Support crypto, support Guldencoin. Together with bitcoin we make crypto work in the Netherlands.

And the reason you cannot do that with bitcoins is...? Oh yes, the same reason of Aurora Coin. Smiley Nothing new here, the usual scam.
legendary
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NLG is just another shit coin.

Support appreciated. Dedicated miners are welcome against this abuse Cool Almost 70 merchants in the Netherlands now and growing and nice projects coming. We can already buy clothes, coffee, beer, wine, get a massage, lasertreatment, buy books, buy design lamps, buy games, buy services, buy snacks, buy Subway sandwiches etc, etc. with Guldencoin. Support crypto, support Guldencoin. Together with bitcoin we make crypto work in the Netherlands.


ANN: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/na-554412
Official website: https://guldencoin.com
https://bittrex.com/Market/Index?MarketName=BTC-NLG

Mining is possible here:

http://guldenpool.nl:27100
https://nlg.hardcoreminers.com

http://criptoe.com/
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Terk, and only Terk, please address the concerns of the NLG community.  I don't want to hear from anyone else, unless they are actively involved in the management of the pool and it's policies.

NLG is just another shit coin.
I am surprised you are angered, when you should be grateful of what CM is doing. CM is helping to deflate the pump of this shit coin so that the eventual, inevitable crash will be softer. You should only be happy about this. Unless, of course, you are one of the con men organizing the pump and dump. In that case I can understand your anger.
legendary
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ltex.nl
What part of "stay nice to one another" did I fail to disclose? Roll Eyes

Let me first of all state I have been very descent about this and have even stated I understand Terk's motives to maximize profits for his miners. The only reason I use the term rape is because it best discribes the effect Clevermining currently has on NLG. In no way a mean to offend anyone with this.

I also agree with you that resolving matters is always something we first must try ourselves. This doesn't mean however, we can't ask for some sympathy or support from you guys while working on it.

I run two businesses in real life. If I learned anything it is that if you want to be successful in business, don't look for ideas, but find problems and create a solution. At first I did just that and I was relatively successful. Now I try to work as much as I can with others to combine the solutions and that really has improved all my businesses.

So, also in this case, lets be interdependent!

I must agree met Fuse on one thing, although I have tried both publicly and private, always in a descent way, I have never gotten back any respons from Terk...
legendary
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HODL for life.
I do not answer for anybody. I have no idea where you got that from. I don't know Terk nor do I have any clue what he thinks about that. I use this pool and I use this thread to discuss the pool. I expressed my own opinion regarding the approach NLG supporters are taking, which I thought is counterproductive. It wasn't even a response to you, but to another poster, so for you to come at me with these accussations is childish to say the least. If you don't like my opinion or even the fact that I have one you're free to ignore me. You're also free to continue to attack me, as the case may be. All I'm saying that your tone and your methods are not helping your cause but rather alienating forum readers who could potentially have sympathy for it - again in my own opinion, in case that is not clear yet. I hope you'll calm down and will see it for what it is. Take care.


November 23rd is the last time Terk posted, and you've been fielding user questions for him since then.  It's pretty easy to see where I would think you speak for him.  Also, it's funny how you can say that my tone is attacking when you yourself said this:

You were told that your diff adjustment is broken. Why don't you get of your high horse, fix your coin and move on.

If you wanted to stay civil, then act civil.

That being said, let's try this again.  I'll revise my post as to not offend you:


Terk, and only Terk, please address the concerns of the NLG community.  I don't want to hear from anyone else, unless they are actively involved in the management of the pool and it's policies.

-Fuse
legendary
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You seem to have a reading comprehension issue as well as bad temper. You might want to re-read what I posted. I advised the poster of what in my opinion would be a more effective way to deal with the issue. Attacking me for my opinion - or anyone else on these forums for that matter - won't help your coin one bit. If anything it will reflect poorly on the coin and its supporters. If this is the way you communicate with anyone whose opinion you dislike then NLG has bigger problems than "rape".

Good luck with your coin and I hope you'll be able to find a solution.


No temper here.  I just don't tolerate ignorance.  My reading comprehension is just fine.  You said PM Terk.  I'm saying I want public answers.  I'm thinking you need to reevaluate your stance on who misread what.

The plan to remedy the situation, brought on by CM and Terk's apathy, has been planned and is in the works.  A plan that will allow all coins to look at algorithm testing at a more intricate scale.  In fact, I'm thinking LTEX is very much correct in that CM will probably face some hefty problems with profitability in the next year or so because of it.  So that's not the problem.  The problem is Terk's reluctance to work with the community civilly, so that we can continue to promote healthy growth.  Terk was asked to cooperate with the community while we worked on solutions.  He agreed and then went back on his word.  3 months and no word from him on his stance or his reasoning.  The fact that you answer for him, and poorly at that, is exasperating.  No one is asking for your stance.  We are asking for Terk's.  Is is that difficult to comprehend?

As far as my mouthpiece comment goes, I still find it puzzling that you answer all his questions for him.  Again, let him speak for himself.

-Fuse

I do not answer for anybody. I have no idea where you got that from. I don't know Terk nor do I have any clue what he thinks about that. I use this pool and I use this thread to discuss the pool. I expressed my own opinion regarding the approach NLG supporters are taking, which I thought is counterproductive. It wasn't even a response to you, but to another poster, so for you to come at me with these accussations is childish to say the least. If you don't like my opinion or even the fact that I have one you're free to ignore me. You're also free to continue to attack me, as the case may be. All I'm saying that your tone and your methods are not helping your cause but rather alienating forum readers who could potentially have sympathy for it - again in my own opinion, in case that is not clear yet. I hope you'll calm down and will see it for what it is. Take care.
legendary
Activity: 1582
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HODL for life.
You seem to have a reading comprehension issue as well as bad temper. You might want to re-read what I posted. I advised the poster of what in my opinion would be a more effective way to deal with the issue. Attacking me for my opinion - or anyone else on these forums for that matter - won't help your coin one bit. If anything it will reflect poorly on the coin and its supporters. If this is the way you communicate with anyone whose opinion you dislike then NLG has bigger problems than "rape".

Good luck with your coin and I hope you'll be able to find a solution.


No temper here.  I just don't tolerate ignorance.  My reading comprehension is just fine.  You said PM Terk.  I'm saying I want public answers.  I'm thinking you need to reevaluate your stance on who misread what.

The plan to remedy the situation, brought on by CM and Terk's apathy, has been planned and is in the works.  A plan that will allow all coins to look at algorithm testing at a more intricate scale.  In fact, I'm thinking LTEX is very much correct in that CM will probably face some hefty problems with profitability in the next year or so because of it.  So that's not the problem.  The problem is Terk's reluctance to work with the community civilly, so that we can continue to promote healthy growth.  Terk was asked to cooperate with the community while we worked on solutions.  He agreed and then went back on his word.  3 months and no word from him on his stance or his reasoning.  The fact that you answer for him, and poorly at that, is exasperating.  No one is asking for your stance.  We are asking for Terk's.  Is is that difficult to comprehend?

As far as my mouthpiece comment goes, I still find it puzzling that you answer all his questions for him.  Again, let him speak for himself.

-Fuse
legendary
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Not sure I'm getting your point. If you have an antidote, use it. If you wanted to come across as "nice", you utterly failed by using words like "rape".

You seem to be upset that someone doesn't subscribe to your long term holding ideology, but you will not gain any supporters by spamming this thread and certainly will not solve the problem this way. Talk to Terk in private if you have any technical issues to talk about, or just focus on making your coin more resistant to switching pools.

If not CM then another pool will come and do the same thing, so you might as well work on a solution rather than blame.

How's it feel to be Terk's mouthpiece?  You seem to fight blindly for him.  Does he pay you much for the effort?  I'm just wondering why you don't let him speak for himself.


You seem to have a reading comprehension issue as well as bad temper. You might want to re-read what I posted. I advised the poster of what in my opinion would be a more effective way to deal with the issue. Attacking me for my opinion - or anyone else on these forums for that matter - won't help your coin one bit. If anything it will reflect poorly on the coin and its supporters. If this is the way you communicate with anyone whose opinion you dislike then NLG has bigger problems than "rape".

Good luck with your coin and I hope you'll be able to find a solution.
legendary
Activity: 1582
Merit: 1002
HODL for life.
Not sure I'm getting your point. If you have an antidote, use it. If you wanted to come across as "nice", you utterly failed by using words like "rape".

You seem to be upset that someone doesn't subscribe to your long term holding ideology, but you will not gain any supporters by spamming this thread and certainly will not solve the problem this way. Talk to Terk in private if you have any technical issues to talk about, or just focus on making your coin more resistant to switching pools.

If not CM then another pool will come and do the same thing, so you might as well work on a solution rather than blame.

How's it feel to be Terk's mouthpiece?  You seem to fight blindly for him.  Does he pay you much for the effort?  I'm just wondering why you don't let him speak for himself.

The fact that LTEX uses the word rape doesn't change the tone of the conversation.  Your point is moot.  CM does in fact rape the coin, and it's community of their time and money.  Regardless of whether the underlying issue is the algorithm or not, CM is raping NLG.  If 50% of the mined Bitcoin or Litecoin were sold in a day, what do you think the community would say?  If they faced 1 hour delays at the hand of a single pool, what would the community do?

Secondly, where's the spam?  Questions are being asked and Terk's lackeys are fielding them, not Terk himself.  People want answers, and they want them addressed publicly by Terk, not you. 

I would love to see the reasoning behind continuing to manipulate the NLG algorithm, even though developers and the community were trying to work with him in a civil manner when the problem was identified.  At this point one could only think that it is because Terk takes pleasure in doing so.  If that's not the case, then let him publicly state it.  I personally don't care to hear it from anyone but him.  When I spoke with him originally in PM, he seemed cordial.  He agreed to work with the community and reduce the hashrate he pointed at NLG, and then 2 weeks later he continued.  If he is a man of his word, he would be honorable and live up to his agreements.  If he can't keep his word about this situation, what does that say about the way he conducts business?  How could any miner make a conscious decision to blind trust his word after that?  It raises a lot of questions regarding his ethics.

So, Suchmoon, enough with your shilling.  Let your master speak for himself.

-Fuse
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Gentlemen, lets try to stay nice

[...]

Having said that, the reluctancy of Terk in addressing our handouts, will in the end (same long term) kill your profit model. You see, our dev's have decided to take responsibility into their own hands resulting in a highly advanced test environment that enables all serious coin dev's (so not only NLG) to generate algorithms that are resistant to your raping hash attacks.


Not sure I'm getting your point. If you have an antidote, use it. If you wanted to come across as "nice", you utterly failed by using words like "rape".

You seem to be upset that someone doesn't subscribe to your long term holding ideology, but you will not gain any supporters by spamming this thread and certainly will not solve the problem this way. Talk to Terk in private if you have any technical issues to talk about, or just focus on making your coin more resistant to switching pools.

If not CM then another pool will come and do the same thing, so you might as well work on a solution rather than blame.

Maybe they need to add a hyperflex capacitor.
legendary
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Gentlemen, lets try to stay nice

[...]

Having said that, the reluctancy of Terk in addressing our handouts, will in the end (same long term) kill your profit model. You see, our dev's have decided to take responsibility into their own hands resulting in a highly advanced test environment that enables all serious coin dev's (so not only NLG) to generate algorithms that are resistant to your raping hash attacks.


Not sure I'm getting your point. If you have an antidote, use it. If you wanted to come across as "nice", you utterly failed by using words like "rape".

You seem to be upset that someone doesn't subscribe to your long term holding ideology, but you will not gain any supporters by spamming this thread and certainly will not solve the problem this way. Talk to Terk in private if you have any technical issues to talk about, or just focus on making your coin more resistant to switching pools.

If not CM then another pool will come and do the same thing, so you might as well work on a solution rather than blame.
legendary
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ltex.nl
Gentlemen, lets try to stay nice to one another, if there is one thing to learn from this, it's that there is no real way to quick profit in this all.

My view is that this (Guldencoin) has a long term strategy and we therefor have no real urgent sense for battling short term profit scemes like Clevermining. Yes it is a nuisance, but in the long run it is adoption of our coin that counts and will secure our network.

Having said that, the reluctancy of Terk in addressing our handouts, will in the end (same long term) kill your profit model. You see, our dev's have decided to take responsibility into their own hands resulting in a highly advanced test environment that enables all serious coin dev's (so not only NLG) to generate algorithms that are resistant to your raping hash attacks.

So not listening or responding to serious and legit questions of this one coin, might have triggered a deeply rooted motivation of some very capable dev's to create a logical antidote against your own "medicine". Soon there will be a solid base for all coins to protect against your hash-rapes, leaving your network obsolete to real long term profit margins...

Maybe at that point you might realize how foolish it was to dump millions of NLG for only 400sat while you could be holding a large stash of them like the real and dedicated miners have.

It still runs in the back of my mind, that guy who said "Do you believe that sucker, he just sold me a pizza for 10k BTC, that shit isn't worth anything. I'm going to mine some more, maybe I can buy another pizza next week" .... Shocked

legendary
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@ gurbler: See you are just new in this miningworld.  Support good crypto, my friend. Way better then to earn some quick bucks here. We welcome you as a dedicated miner.  Wink

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I am not even going to take the time anymore to say please. Just remember, we do not forget, we do not forgive.

https://i.imgur.com/AsWObyN.jpg
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I am allready following Bitcointalk for a few months now, but never registered... But Clevermining, don't you think it's enough now?? You guys are messing up the chain constantly by putting that much hashes in for a few f****** minutes.... Getting coins cheap and sell them UNDERVALUED!!!!!! WTF is wrong, why can't you assholes see what you are doing with our beloved coin?HuhHuhHuhHuhHuh??

I believe the people should start showing themselves in this topic...

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH ALLREADY



Blah blah blah, this is how the game is played son.
I am not even going to take the time anymore to say please. Just remember, we do not forget, we do not forgive.
legendary
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pleas don't puse the pice down of guldencoin
legendary
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Blah blah blah, this is how the game is played son.

You're really in for good accepted crypto or just for fast money raping others. That is no game. I'm in for the first option.
Hope some multipool miners start to think and support good crypto and leave multipools. What is done with Guldencoin is in no way good. 5-10% of the total hashrate is acceptable, not 50-75% and jumping in and out. We asked gently for a temporarily stop of multipoolmining until the chain can handle it better, with less gaps in blocksolving time and selling for low profits. Is that so much to ask? See message of LTEX above.


Right now, the massive hashing power of Clevermining takes over 75% of all hashing on NLG. This results in a rape that lasts only a couple of minutes, leaving the network with extreme high Diff and therefor long transaction times. After the dedicated miners have worked very hard to grasp the last 25% of blocks in the remaining hours, Clever jumps back in when Diff is back to it's low figures again (for a couple of minutes).

Now I must agree that this is indeed a clever algorithm looking from the mining angle. But it doesn't give that much profit that it justifies risking to suck out the life of one of the most promising coins around.

So maybe I can ask this as a community member of NLG to the community members of Clevermining to agree to a temporary stop on mining NLG? Maybe Terk can join in on this and educate us on how this really will affect your profit margins? Maybe if you would understand it will only cost you 0.03% of your profit, its not so much to ask?

Kind regards,

LTEX

Terk, your answer please! You are doing no good  Shocked Why no answer?

Miners at Clever are invited mining directly Guldencoin if you also see this is no good and are willing to support a very good coin and don't want to rape. This is no good for crypto in general. Support appreciated. Almost 70 merchants in the Netherlands now and growing and nice projects coming. We can already buy clothes, coffee, beer, wine, get a massage, lasertreatment, buy books, buy design lamps, buy games, buy services, buy Subway sandwiches etc, etc. with Guldencoin. Support crypto, support Guldencoin.


ANN: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/na-554412
Official website: https://guldencoin.com
https://bittrex.com/Market/Index?MarketName=BTC-NLG

Mining is possible here:

http://guldenpool.nl:27100
https://nlg.hardcoreminers.com

http://criptoe.com/


Dedicated miners are welcome!  Cool We need you.
hero member
Activity: 868
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I am allready following Bitcointalk for a few months now, but never registered... But Clevermining, don't you think it's enough now?? You guys are messing up the chain constantly by putting that much hashes in for a few f****** minutes.... Getting coins cheap and sell them UNDERVALUED!!!!!! WTF is wrong, why can't you assholes see what you are doing with our beloved coin?HuhHuhHuhHuhHuh??

I believe the people should start showing themselves in this topic...

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH ALLREADY



Blah blah blah, this is how the game is played son.
full member
Activity: 128
Merit: 100
I am allready following Bitcointalk for a few months now, but never registered... But Clevermining, don't you think it's enough now?? You guys are messing up the chain constantly by putting that much hashes in for a few f****** minutes.... Getting coins cheap and sell them UNDERVALUED!!!!!! WTF is wrong, why can't you assholes see what you are doing with our beloved coin?HuhHuhHuhHuhHuh??

I believe the people should start showing themselves in this topic...

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH ALLREADY

legendary
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Typing wallet from phone into the miner/web GUI on the Titan

Fair enough. I guess I would have e-mailed the address to myself or something, I'm paranoid of mistakes like that. PM Terk, I'm sure he'll sort you out.
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