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so next is "spelling gate". Cheesy


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I was an unbiased 3rd party, I didn't write HAL, didn't write cloak [called it a scam] http://pastebin.com/TvJkKiCJ, I'm not some mastermind behind all of these coins as alluded to by several people, instead I'm XC's developer and this all started with SDC [https://gist.github.com/atcsecure/cf6a478ef3169cefdc6d] - Mr Boh is just an upset SDC investor with an axe to grind and now has created this giant conspriancy theory that I am some evil mastermind behind this cartel of coins... nothing could be further from the truth

Dan,

What's up with you using British spellings in that chat log you posted?

Decentralised, minimalise, etc.

In your signature on this forum you use the American spelling - decentralized - and you are American, yes?

I've never met a Yankee who talks like a Brit...


What you cannot grasp is the fact that alot of people rely on Dan and Arlyn. Its not a good picture to paint when the two biggest people who you are involved with basically tell you we're going to be fucked in a few weeks. Thats not how things work in the real world, I'm sorry if you think that it was morally wrong, but it was actually for the best. It would be an awful sight to see our team in such a state, and WOULD HAVE caused a sell off. Posting a statement before anything even happens is just stupid, because you cannot even assess the magnitude of the attack. Most FUD can be resolved and washed over in a couple of days they dont need statements to sort themselves out, but this was clearly a large coordinated attack to kill a coin and is much larger than FUD campaign I have seen attacking a single coin/entity.


No, I grasp everything just fine. I just have a different perspective than you and we shall leave it at that, thank you.

I can only speculate but I'd imagine Dan wrote his statement and passed it on to Synechist to tidy up and make it look more professional. Dan is a coder afterall. Synechist specialises in PR and his job his to communicate on behalf of XC. Do you think Obama writes his own statements word for word?
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wow, I have a look at this thread once in a while for an update on recent activities and such, but that proves to be rather challenging with all of this debate and arguing going on... It's hard to find any useful information.

I've been keeping up, and to be honest, there's nothing positive that's been posted in the past few days.  Some announcement about an announcement, but that's about it.  

Why is the OP not being updated with any information? Links? Info about the status of the ITO? What about the website?  It's completely bare bones...and you're asking for 2500 btc?  At least put out the perception there is a professional team behind this $817k USD ask...  I could put together a hell of a website for less than .25% of that, take that into consideration.

You're making people have to read through 155 pages of complete crap to find the very little bit of real information.   Maybe Synechist should consider spending time on these sort of tasks rather than trying to defend everyone all day...



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I was an unbiased 3rd party, I didn't write HAL, didn't write cloak [called it a scam] http://pastebin.com/TvJkKiCJ, I'm not some mastermind behind all of these coins as alluded to by several people, instead I'm XC's developer and this all started with SDC [https://gist.github.com/atcsecure/cf6a478ef3169cefdc6d] - Mr Boh is just an upset SDC investor with an axe to grind and now has created this giant conspriancy theory that I am some evil mastermind behind this cartel of coins... nothing could be further from the truth

Dan,

What's up with you using British spellings in that chat log you posted?

Decentralised, minimalise, etc.

In your signature on this forum you use the American spelling - decentralized - and you are American, yes?

I've never met a Yankee who talks like a Brit...


What you cannot grasp is the fact that alot of people rely on Dan and Arlyn. Its not a good picture to paint when the two biggest people who you are involved with basically tell you we're going to be fucked in a few weeks. Thats not how things work in the real world, I'm sorry if you think that it was morally wrong, but it was actually for the best. It would be an awful sight to see our team in such a state, and WOULD HAVE caused a sell off. Posting a statement before anything even happens is just stupid, because you cannot even assess the magnitude of the attack. Most FUD can be resolved and washed over in a couple of days they dont need statements to sort themselves out, but this was clearly a large coordinated attack to kill a coin and is much larger than FUD campaign I have seen attacking a single coin/entity.


No, I grasp everything just fine. I just have a different perspective than you and we shall leave it at that, thank you.

That screams falsified to me.

First off:
Dan never uses caps in his handle. Its all lowercase letters. I've been in enough IRC to know this. Then you also have some inaccuracies in the spelling which is a little suspect.

Secondly:
regarding that pastebin you probably saw, Syn was in our forums earlier discussing  the fatal flaws of ZK and why it wouldnt work with XC . In the pastebin it seems like he's praising it. Doesnt make any sense how you could go from liking something to despising it.


Let me remind you that Pookie was actually caught faking logs, pretending to be Battbot earlier but ended up getting caugh because he didnt spell his name correctly. That pastebin looks exactly like the same foolish attempt to manipulate and stir new FUD. Oh and PS, Pookie is British FYI. that would explain the british dialect in the pastebin as he was probably using Dan's handle.

These guys have been doing this stuff for a while, it is our goal as a community to stop being so naive and start actually trusting Dan and Co who have been more transaprent than other teams, and have consistantly met their deadlines to deliver new tech. FUD is supposed to make you question yourself which is exactly what your doing, and its appears to be working on you quite well.
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I was an unbiased 3rd party, I didn't write HAL, didn't write cloak [called it a scam] http://pastebin.com/TvJkKiCJ, I'm not some mastermind behind all of these coins as alluded to by several people, instead I'm XC's developer and this all started with SDC [https://gist.github.com/atcsecure/cf6a478ef3169cefdc6d] - Mr Boh is just an upset SDC investor with an axe to grind and now has created this giant conspriancy theory that I am some evil mastermind behind this cartel of coins... nothing could be further from the truth

Dan,

What's up with you using British spellings in that chat log you posted?

Decentralised, minimalise, etc.

In your signature on this forum you use the American spelling - decentralized - and you are American, yes?

I've never met a Yankee who talks like a Brit...


What you cannot grasp is the fact that alot of people rely on Dan and Arlyn. Its not a good picture to paint when the two biggest people who you are involved with basically tell you we're going to be fucked in a few weeks. Thats not how things work in the real world, I'm sorry if you think that it was morally wrong, but it was actually for the best. It would be an awful sight to see our team in such a state, and WOULD HAVE caused a sell off. Posting a statement before anything even happens is just stupid, because you cannot even assess the magnitude of the attack. Most FUD can be resolved and washed over in a couple of days they dont need statements to sort themselves out, but this was clearly a large coordinated attack to kill a coin and is much larger than FUD campaign I have seen attacking a single coin/entity.


No, I grasp everything just fine. I just have a different perspective than you and we shall leave it at that, thank you.
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dude are you dumb? Saying something like that especially being part of the team would cause a massive sell off. It would begin to hurt us before the coin was even under attack. It would have been best for Arlyn to keep that to himself if anything because he AFAIK, he didnt save any of the irc logs to at least argue it. Your suggestion is no better than what Arlyn has done.

No, I am not dumb. I do have a perspective that differs from yours though. Respect that.

Making a pre-emptive statement may have caused a sell-off, yes. But the sell-off happened anyway, so who's to know what would have been better and better for whom.

I would like to think that the team being upfront about their knowledge of the coming FUD campaign and perhaps having prepared a statement of defense would have limited the damage done to the reputation of the projects at hand. Markets are more likely to recover from a massive sell-off if the overall sentiment towards those markets is still positive.

Given the amount of hysteria and confusing information that has been tossed around, propagated, regurgitated, believed by some, dismissed by others at this point I think it will take substantially more for these markets to recover than if the FUD campaign had been preemptively deflected.

But, hey, I'm done hashing out the past. What's done is done. I'll just be watching more and participating less for now. That is all.

Dan is still here. He can still code. Let's see what technology comes from all of this. That's what it's all about, remember?

What you cannot grasp is the fact that alot of people rely on Dan and Arlyn. Its not a good picture to paint when the two biggest people who you are involved with basically tell you we're going to be fucked in a few weeks. Thats not how things work in the real world, I'm sorry if you think that it was morally wrong, but it was actually for the best. It would be an awful sight to see our team in such a state, and WOULD HAVE caused a sell off. Posting a statement before anything even happens is just stupid, because you cannot even assess the magnitude of the attack. Most FUD can be resolved and washed over in a couple of days they dont need statements to sort themselves out, but this was clearly a large coordinated attack to kill a coin and is much larger than FUD campaign I have seen attacking a single coin/entity.

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dude are you dumb? Saying something like that especially being part of the team would cause a massive sell off. It would begin to hurt us before the coin was even under attack. It would have been best for Arlyn to keep that to himself if anything because he AFAIK, he didnt save any of the irc logs to at least argue it. Your suggestion is no better than what Arlyn has done.

No, I am not dumb. I do have a perspective that differs from yours though. Respect that.

Making a pre-emptive statement may have caused a sell-off, yes. But the sell-off happened anyway, so who's to know what would have been better and better for whom.

I would like to think that the team being upfront about their knowledge of the coming FUD campaign and perhaps having prepared a statement of defense would have limited the damage done to the reputation of the projects at hand. Markets are more likely to recover from a massive sell-off if the overall sentiment towards those markets is still positive.

Given the amount of hysteria and confusing information that has been tossed around, propagated, regurgitated, believed by some, dismissed by others at this point I think it will take substantially more for these markets to recover than if the FUD campaign had been preemptively deflected.

But, hey, I'm done hashing out the past. What's done is done. I'll just be watching more and participating less for now. That is all.

Dan is still here. He can still code. Let's see what technology comes from all of this. That's what it's all about, remember?
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Then, I had no answer, what happen to the blocknet bought on Polo ? Will there be a buy wall ?

Devs, anyone ?

If you want to invest in this project and read the last pages, it doesn't inspire much confidence...

then dont, we r good, we have minimum development costs, the fewer blocks spent now the better for investors, they ll be worth much more at 900btc sold rather than 2,5k sold Wink
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when XC thread will be unlocked?
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Then, I had no answer, what happen to the blocknet bought on Polo ? Will there be a buy wall ?

Devs, anyone ?

If you want to invest in this project and read the last pages, it doesn't inspire much confidence...
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Thank you for the response

Thats it? Really? Holy **** maybe you could eat shit for real and post it on youtube or something by way of an excuse...
Is this crap over now? Those were the last questions asked?

I'm glad we're done here..


Let's get back to blocknet everyone!

[edit]

let me apologize for that little outburst..

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?  I fail to see how I'm any way in the wrong.  The devteam spent all the premine without transparency.    I'm simply trying to make sure that doesn't happen to blocknet funds.

There's no shit to be eaten ... The escrow and accounting details should have been released before asking for a satoshi


Thats a loaded statement based on a false accusation.   The premine address has been public since day #1. 

I said the premine was spent without transparency of what it was spent on (which you guys promised to provide)

There's nothing loaded or controversial about it.  It's just what happened.  I'm just trying to hold you accountable to your investors for what you promised.

premine was gradually sold for XC development (paying team members, xc mobile wallet app, PR articles etc). I dont know how many times it has been stated, but the next question you ask that has been answered will be ignored and I advise everyone to do the same. This is getting beyond ridiculous having to spell it out for some of you.
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I did not leave anyone out to dry.

What makes you think that the dumping *prior* to the start of this smear campaign was related to some trolls making up a pile of internet trash?

But the real issue here is the matter of my "having your backs." I'm done nannying the XC community. Nannying doesn't respect you as adults and it places an intolerable tax on my time.

The general expectation that people have some sort of right to information that'll help allay their fears is unfounded. I'm absolutely sick of being made to respond to every little piece of useless nonsense that's somehow made someone in the community worried.

Think independently. Recognise internet trash for what it is and ignore it. Do not stoop to the level of trolls by retaliating. If you can't master your fears then just get out.


Looks like I hit a bit of a sensitive spot, eh Synechist?

Please, don't suggest that I'm not thinking independently. Thinking independently is precisely what I am doing and I am very, very good at it.

The dumping prior to the start of all of this FUD could very well have been those privy to the fact that this FUD campaign was coming exiting their position in preparation for what was to come. The dumping could very well have also been entirely unrelated to this FUD campaign.

My point here is that you and the XC team supposedly knew about this campaign weeks ago and not once in any form did you alert the XC community in advance.

Perhaps you might have considered making a general statement such as this:

"We've been made aware of a coordinated FUD campaign being organized against XC, Dan, and the BlockNET. Please be aware and brace yourselves."

Making such an alert and perhaps even a pre-emptive statement (edit: I know you tried to make a pre-emptive statement, but at that point the FUD had already hit and it was far too little far too late) may very well have significantly limited the damage incurred by this FUD campaign. I have to wonder why you chose to keep this information to yourselves and why you seem to have had very little coordinated defense prepared. You knew this was coming and thought the best defense was to just let it hit like a rock?

It all seems very odd.

I especially want to hear from infinitechaos as I've noticed that he seems to be one of the more intelligent XC supporters who is actually willing to consider facts and logic. If he has any sort of argument now that XC and Blocknet should still be supported I'd like to hear it.

The passion I once had for following and supporting the XC project has undoubtedly been stifled.

I continue to hold the XC I've been accumulating since May and the BLOCK I purchased before the FUD hit.

Do I think that XC and BlockNET should still be supported?

I think the development of the technology idealized by these projects should be supported, no doubt. This kind of technology has the potential to shape our world for the better. However, going forward I will certainly think more critically about supporting and funding these projects in particular. My faith in the transparency of these particular projects has been irreparably damaged.

dude are you dumb? Saying something like that especially being part of the team would cause a massive sell off. It would begin to hurt us before the coin was even under attack. It would have been best for Arlyn to keep that to himself if anything because he AFAIK, he didnt save any of the irc logs to at least argue it. Your suggestion is no better than what Arlyn has done.
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How many blocknet Ito left now?
Hope price goes up
Losing money on btc value falling plus lxc, xst, apex, xc coins value itself.
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Thank you for the response

Thats it? Really? Holy **** maybe you could eat shit for real and post it on youtube or something by way of an excuse...
Is this crap over now? Those were the last questions asked?

I'm glad we're done here..


Let's get back to blocknet everyone!

[edit]

let me apologize for that little outburst..

[/edit]

?  I fail to see how I'm any way in the wrong.  The devteam spent all the premine without transparency.    I'm simply trying to make sure that doesn't happen to blocknet funds.

There's no shit to be eaten ... The escrow and accounting details should have been released before asking for a satoshi


Thats a loaded statement based on a false accusation.   The premine address has been public since day #1. 

I said the premine was spent without transparency of what it was spent on (which you guys promised to provide)

There's nothing loaded or controversial about it.  It's just what happened.  I'm just trying to hold you accountable to your investors for what you promised.
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Thank you for the response

Thats it? Really? Holy **** maybe you could eat shit for real and post it on youtube or something by way of an excuse...
Is this crap over now? Those were the last questions asked?

I'm glad we're done here..


Let's get back to blocknet everyone!

[edit]

let me apologize for that little outburst..

[/edit]

?  I fail to see how I'm any way in the wrong.  The devteam spent all the premine without transparency.    I'm simply trying to make sure that doesn't happen to blocknet funds.

There's no shit to be eaten ... The escrow and accounting details should have been released before asking for a satoshi


Thats a loaded statement based on a false accusation.   The premine address has been public since day #1. 
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Thank you for the response

Thats it? Really? Holy **** maybe you could eat shit for real and post it on youtube or something by way of an excuse...
Is this crap over now? Those were the last questions asked?

I'm glad we're done here..


Let's get back to blocknet everyone!

[edit]

let me apologize for that little outburst..

[/edit]

?  I fail to see how I'm any way in the wrong.  The devteam spent all the premine without transparency.    I'm simply trying to make sure that doesn't happen to blocknet funds.

There's no shit to be eaten ... The escrow and accounting details should have been released before asking for a satoshi
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infinitechaos, I never envisioned that the FUD would reach this level of conspiracy and insanity, and based on the fact that all information was already public - i never expected it to reach this level and I had no intention of engaging it at any point.  I generally just dismissed it.  How could I have predicted the extent of deceit they would engage in?


Dan
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I have three questions I still have not seen answered.

Who is holding the escrow & who are the auditors?  They were mentioned in the ANN but no specifications on who they will be still.  Where is the money going when it leaves the exchange?  Who is the auditor who will approve expenses?

Who are the developers besides Dan?  How can this not take away from XC if it's a nine month project - that's a huge undertaking.

We'll be releasing details about the escrow arrangement very soon. Things are progressing and we are close to be able to announce the details.

Development will be sourced and paid for by the ITO funds. Dan will have some degree of involvement in dev work (especially the XBridge because it partially uses the Xnode protocol), but it's not his workload. That's what the funds are for.



is there a link to the xnode repo?
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Thank you for the response

Thats it? Really? Holy **** maybe you could eat shit for real and post it on youtube or something by way of an excuse...
Is this crap over now? Those were the last questions asked?

I'm glad we're done here..


Let's get back to blocknet everyone!

[edit]

let me apologize for that little outburst..

[/edit]
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I did not leave anyone out to dry.

What makes you think that the dumping *prior* to the start of this smear campaign was related to some trolls making up a pile of internet trash?

But the real issue here is the matter of my "having your backs." I'm done nannying the XC community. Nannying doesn't respect you as adults and it places an intolerable tax on my time.

The general expectation that people have some sort of right to information that'll help allay their fears is unfounded. I'm absolutely sick of being made to respond to every little piece of useless nonsense that's somehow made someone in the community worried.

Think independently. Recognise internet trash for what it is and ignore it. Do not stoop to the level of trolls by retaliating. If you can't master your fears then just get out.


Looks like I hit a bit of a sensitive spot, eh Synechist?

Please, don't suggest that I'm not thinking independently. Thinking independently is precisely what I am doing and I am very, very good at it.

The dumping prior to the start of all of this FUD could very well have been those privy to the fact that this FUD campaign was coming exiting their position in preparation for what was to come. The dumping could very well have also been entirely unrelated to this FUD campaign.

My point here is that you and the XC team supposedly knew about this campaign weeks ago and not once in any form did you alert the XC community in advance.

Perhaps you might have considered making a general statement such as this:

"We've been made aware of a coordinated FUD campaign being organized against XC, Dan, and the BlockNET. Please be aware and brace yourselves."

Making such an alert and perhaps even a pre-emptive statement (edit: I know you tried to make a pre-emptive statement, but at that point the FUD had already hit and it was far too little far too late) may very well have significantly limited the damage incurred by this FUD campaign. I have to wonder why you chose to keep this information to yourselves and why you seem to have had very little coordinated defense prepared. You knew this was coming and thought the best defense was to just let it hit like a rock?

It all seems very odd.

I especially want to hear from infinitechaos as I've noticed that he seems to be one of the more intelligent XC supporters who is actually willing to consider facts and logic. If he has any sort of argument now that XC and Blocknet should still be supported I'd like to hear it.

The passion I once had for following and supporting the XC project has undoubtedly been stifled.

I continue to hold the XC I've been accumulating since May and the BLOCK I purchased before the FUD hit.

Do I think that XC and BlockNET should still be supported?

I think the development of the technology idealized by these projects should be supported, no doubt. This kind of technology has the potential to shape our world for the better. However, going forward I will certainly think more critically about supporting and funding these projects in particular. My faith in the transparency of these particular projects has been irreparably damaged.
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