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legendary
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To commodify ethicality is to ethicise the market
Dear synechist and mxxxxxx,
over the last 7 days you have spent significant amount of time on this thread marketing the ITO. Typically, this is something that the devs were doing in the past. What is your salary and how much BTC from the ITO will go to your pockets paying for your services? Are you gonna provide this information in your full BTC transparency?

We are doing it for free as we see huge potential in this awesome project and great long term investment

We will be buying BlockNet shares like everyone else

None of BTC ITO goes to our pockets

Cheers


This is true for me too. I work for XCurrency and am not paid by the Blocknet.

legendary
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Dear synechist and mxxxxxx,
over the last 7 days you have spent significant amount of time on this thread marketing the ITO. Typically, this is something that the devs were doing in the past. What is your salary and how much BTC from the ITO will go to your pockets paying for your services? Are you gonna provide this information in your full BTC transparency?

We are doing it for free as we see huge potential in this awesome project and great long term investment

We will be buying BlockNet shares like everyone else

None of BTC ITO goes to our pockets

Cheers
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You should report the ITO. Be it for a week. Etablish clear rule & organisation first.
There will be ten million tokens. Original value = 0.00025 BTC each.
Beside that it's mystery. Less than 24h, 875k$ limit...

The technology for decentralized ITO isn't there yet. BlockNet is suppose to provide it.

I'm surprise nobody asked these question: [Though I haven't read everything yet]
- Concerning the BTC exchange, what will be it's % distribution between Bittrex, Bter, Poloniex and CoinGateway?
- Then what will be the % distribution of the ITO between BTC, XC and the other coin?
The 10% discount appear nice at first [mostly for the original miners though], but it will just result in the most messy ITO of the cryptohistory.
It would be a shame for such a promizing project.

Much simplier & neat to strictly stick to BTC, and a single centralized provider such as Bittrex.

BTC hold in multisign a plus. Usage prediction a must.

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Additional note from an outsider of your BlockNetwork (strictly my own point of view here):
Fare distributed NEM - "NXT 2.0" tech - feel much more appropriate for the "Web 3.0" than NHZ, a NXT copycat with dubious distribution. Though that may be unimportant as the temporary-original-token could just be switched on any exchange-platform, later, as I understood.

Disclamer:
Never been a miner, kind of NXT hater, no holding in any of your BlockPartner.
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Monitoring this thread with interest!
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Dear synechist and mxxxxxx,
over the last 7 days you have spent significant amount of time on this thread marketing the ITO. Typically, this is something that the devs were doing in the past, however you are just PR people. What is your salary and how much BTC from the ITO will go to your pockets paying for your services? Are you gonna provide this information in your full BTC transparency?
legendary
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To commodify ethicality is to ethicise the market
could you please explain how the 10 % discount using any of the participating coins will be managed exactly?
considering for example the nhz:block pair on poloniex when and how will the its price be determined? will it be a fixed price or will automatically adjust to the current btc:nhz price?

You will be able to buy with participating coins at a 10% discount through Coingateway , it is very simple to use

You don`t have to register there , you're given an address to pay your participating coin to, and you enter an address to receive BLOCK tokens

The reason for this is that only BLOCK:BTC pairings will persist after the ITO. Exchanges won't be keen to add a pile of new pairings only to remove them shortly afterwards. Unless exchanges decide to do any additional pairing.

For pricing, we'll pick prices of Blocknet tokens at the start time of the ICO based on a recent average (exact algorithm TBD). Then we'll deduct 10%, and put up a sell wall there.

Any discrepancies in price between coins will be arbitraged by traders, and so the market will converge on a 10% discount no matter what coin you use.

Supply of BLOCK tokens will be distributed accordingly , supplies will be moved from one place to another if it is needed



thanks for your answer. one last question concerning the pricing using the NHZ example again:
what does prevent a NHZ whale from pumping the BTC/NHZ price and putting a decent buy wall a few hours before the ito starts increasing its recent average such that the token/NHZ price will be determined to his favour and then selling a lot of NHZ for an awesome price. i mean the buyers of the NHZ wont have any disadvantages as in that case the token/NHZ price is determined so that they can buy the blocknet token for the 10% discount, so that they actually wont care about the high BTC/NHZ price.

What prevents whales pumping NHZ is that other whales could equally cause NHZ to dump, buy them cheap, and get more ITO tokens.

Ultimately what the ITO means is that the value of participating currencies tracks the exchange rate of BLOCK. Any deviation up or down gives rise to arbitration opportunities between participating currencies, so their prices will all converge around their price relative to BLOCK.

legendary
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To commodify ethicality is to ethicise the market

We consulted with participating exchanges prior to this and they are completely comfortable with the legality of the ITO.


Speaking personally now, what serves as a continual source of fascination is how US organisations seem not to notice that their jurisdiction ends at national boundaries.

The Blocknet is not an organisation or a business. It's a network.

It exists everywhere and nowhere. It does not exist in the US.

If you're based in the US and buy Blocknet tokens, this does not mean that you bought them *in* the US, because the tokens don't exist in the US, ever.
(They don't even exist in the US if you put them on a paper wallet, because paper wallets are just proofs of ownership of an entry in a blockchain, and the blockchain doesn't exist in the US.)

(Also, we're not offering securities. We're offering digital tokens, which are the denomination in which service provider fees are paid.)


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Screw the US if they don't want to innovate, they can't stop a decentralized organization from acquiring funds from the rest of the world.

I'll be buying!
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could you please explain how the 10 % discount using any of the participating coins will be managed exactly?
considering for example the nhz:block pair on poloniex when and how will the its price be determined? will it be a fixed price or will automatically adjust to the current btc:nhz price?

You will be able to buy with participating coins at a 10% discount through Coingateway , it is very simple to use

You don`t have to register there , you're given an address to pay your participating coin to, and you enter an address to receive BLOCK tokens

The reason for this is that only BLOCK:BTC pairings will persist after the ITO. Exchanges won't be keen to add a pile of new pairings only to remove them shortly afterwards. Unless exchanges decide to do any additional pairing.

For pricing, we'll pick prices of Blocknet tokens at the start time of the ICO based on a recent average (exact algorithm TBD). Then we'll deduct 10%, and put up a sell wall there.

Any discrepancies in price between coins will be arbitraged by traders, and so the market will converge on a 10% discount no matter what coin you use.

Supply of BLOCK tokens will be distributed accordingly , supplies will be moved from one place to another if it is needed



thanks for your answer. one last question concerning the pricing using the NHZ example again:
what does prevent a NHZ whale from pumping the BTC/NHZ price and putting a decent buy wall a few hours before the ito starts increasing its recent average such that the token/NHZ price will be determined to his favour and then selling a lot of NHZ for an awesome price. i mean the buyers of the NHZ wont have any disadvantages as in that case the token/NHZ price is determined so that they can buy the blocknet token for the 10% discount, so that they actually wont care about the high BTC/NHZ price.
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Buy NHZ on Poloniex - You get 10 % discount for Blocknet shares if you buy with NHZ.
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Blocknet ITO itself is sucking so much BTC out of the already stagnated alt market that there's not much space to grow  Smiley Even with this much tech and hype  Smiley So it drops below ITO price after quick flip profits  Smiley Everyone who disagrees is one of those who only want quick flip profits from the ITO hype Smiley
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Hi all

Just to let you know that the Blocknet interim wallet will be released tomorrow!

These will serve to store your Blocknet tokens until they can begin earning fees, at which point they'll be redeemable for NHZ assets.


What time?  I am in the UK. Will that be tonight UK time? What about the wallets on the exchanges? When can we create those?
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im wondering, why not connect/team this coin with XTC-TileCoin ? i think that would be BIG ?
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If you wanna raise as much money as you can as quick as you can then sure pile it on...

If you wanna raise as much money as you can PERIOD...  Stagger the investment phases.

Hence...  Shortsighted.

If you want to use shortsighted goals for a long term project you only hurt yourself.



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Short sighted choice in my opinion but we shall see after the ITO offer is done

Not shortsighted at all if the primary goal is to raise as much money as quickly as possible.

Are they even going to mention what people will be on the Blocknet board before the sale?  Raising money without saying who's in charge of the money is a little carriage before the horse ...
legendary
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What's the price forecast after ito dump? 500sat?  Smiley

On what are you basing your prediction ?


Only part of the XBridge protocol has been completed and this was not done in an open source way.

However the XBridge will be open source.

We're considering releasing the part-completed code to serve as proof-of-concept.

legendary
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Are they even going to mention what people will be on the Blocknet board before the sale?  Raising money without saying who's in charge of the money is a little carriage before the horse ...
Good point.

Question:

1. Where will the coins be stored after ICO?

2. Who is managing the funds after the ICO?

3. Has every Coin the same Voting Rights for Decisions?

Thanks.

4. Moreover it would be cool to have a list of Coin Representatives (Main Dev of the Coins) so everyone could see there is POD!  (I know it but other people don't maybe..)

still there.

This.

After the ITO, Blocknet tokens can initially be stored in a traditional wallet. Once the Blocknet's tech is ready, you'll be able to redeem tokens for NHZ assets instead.

Funds raised during the ITO will be stored in their respective wallets and publicly accounted for. We're also looking into escrow solutions - potentially a structured escrow that only releases funds once we reach milestones, or returns funds to investors if we do not reach a milestone.

The Blocknet Foundation will manage the funds. (The Foundation will consist of a representative from each participating coin.)

Yes I see no reason for any coin to have less rights than another.

I like the Coin Representatives idea. Nice. We should organise that.




yeah the idea with the milestones and escrow is a good idea! It will give the whole project more confidence


What sort of transparency & accountability will be in place after the ITO in regards to the funds raised?  

So then the Community suggestion by GER about a partial ITO funding at the beginning of the ITO and then milestones funding was not taken into account?

Can you clarify on that?

Did not gave credit to the ones that were saying that this project will dilute yours and Dan job with XC...guess I was wrong.

I've previously clarified (apologies for not linking to this... it might actually be on the OP though) that TheGer's suggestion is a good one and that we're looking at potential partners for a structured escrow service, potentially based around milestones. This isn't to say that we'll definitely find a suitable partner that we're completely comfortable we can trust, but it does mean that TheGer's suggestion is a good one.

So, in terms of transparency and accountability:
- spending will be reported by the Blocknet Foundation
- budget and development plans will be published (before the ITO and periodically afterwards)
- an escrow service structured around milestones (that includes an auditor) is being considered

Since it's in our interest to build up as much trust as possible between us and the public, we have every interest to excel at all of the above.



legendary
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Hi all

Just to let you know that the Blocknet interim wallet will be released tomorrow!

These will serve to store your Blocknet tokens until they can begin earning fees, at which point they'll be redeemable for NHZ assets.


What about a whitepaper with more informations? Today?

More info will be released today on the development timeline, budget and accountability measures for the funding
legendary
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@McHammer

For those that continue to post in such a negative light on Blocknet, Listen up.

The Blocknet is here to stay. Pandora's box has been opened and there is nothing you or anyone else is going to do about it. Regardless of your continued attempts to defile, it will develop, slowly but surely. Your input will most likely be ignored unless there are valid points and less ripping and tearing at the core nature of what is being structured . It really doesn't matter how it compares to other systems being fashioned, there will be many depending on the camp, and that's the nature of competition. You are basically going to need to deal with it and partake in this particular historical movement or move along with your "side" projects or other great adventures. It's that simple. There is nothing keeping you here and there is nobody saying you need to get involved. If you don't wish to purchase within the ITO and take a little risks, move along skippy. We don't wish to listen to your bantering on and on with your narcissistic personality disorder and how you want to protect us from ourselves. Boo-hoo. It's unhealthy and frankly a little unprofessional and annoying.
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trollscience in the deleted faq : add up all marketcaps of the paticipating coins and multiply it by the number of coins in the blocknet.LOL

now my version : add up all maketcaps and devide it by the number of coins in the blocknet , then devide it by 2 cause its a supernet copy.

as realistic as the other one imo
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