Topic: [ANN][CrowdSale Ended]🌟🌟🌟🌟 NVO Decentralized Exchange | MultiWallet 🌟🌟🌟🌟 - page 74. (Read 170086 times)
November 18, 2017, 12:55:41 PM
I think Migello hits this one on the mark. His responses are succinct and given the current state of affairs with the facts that we know; I feel like his answers reflect NVO accurately. Now, this doesn't mean that NVO is a slam dunk, they still may run into problems in the future regarding exchange development. It also doesn't mean that they can't just take the funds they have already gotten from escrow and disappear. However, I don't believe that this is the case with the team as there as been hard evidence of a wallet on slack and skype. They are still actively developing the wallet, perhaps we just need to give them the time that they need to work on it.
November 18, 2017, 07:14:28 AM
Is this the same Prisoneroflies who tried to extort 100btc from the dev team?
yes
* The ICO was a shitshow due to poor instructions and guidance - the very first part of the project was a total clusterfuck
There was very clear instructions about how to partecipate in the crowdsale
medium: https://medium.com/nvo-exchange/how-to-contribute-to-the-nvo-crowdsale-d3e4453e3d7d
reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/NVO/comments/6kj3c1/crowdsale_reminder/
and many more.
a lot of people sent from exchange and fucked up, the team for MONTHS have helped the investors with the issue.
KUDOS fo them
* NVO has missed - by large margins - every deadline or estimate they've given. "Days away" has turned into months, for example.
if i recall correctly first deadlines were: wallet by january 2018 , DEX by 2nd quarter 2018.
they then revised the roadmap to: end of year 2017 for the wallet (estimated 1 november at best) and 1st quarter 2018 for the DEX.
* NVO has been terrible at communicating and has no central source of information or updates - and can't be bothered to update the one official place they have (their website)
very active on slack (almost every day), communication could be better, i think that with the wallet release they'll improve* NVO has provided literally no proof of any work or accomplishments so far
SKYPE AMA with slack NVO community members, showing wallet code and working wallet.
* No one knows anything about any of the developers except that some are also involved in other similarly unfinished/non-responsive projects
so... 99% of the ICOS are scamDoes that sum up where we are?
yes, they are early with the roadmap.
November 18, 2017, 07:01:33 AM
The BTC escrowed funds is long gone from the multi-sig address, alt-coins untraceable
Is this the same Prisoneroflies who tried to extort 100btc from the dev team?
No - I just like the name.
November 18, 2017, 04:48:45 AM
The BTC escrowed funds is long gone from the multi-sig address, alt-coins untraceable
Is this the same Prisoneroflies who tried to extort 100btc from the dev team?
November 18, 2017, 04:27:11 AM
The BTC escrowed funds is long gone from the multi-sig address, alt-coins untraceable
Stop posting lies you baboon. The funds are safe and sound, moved to a different address as was announced by me quite some time ago: https://blockchain.info/address/354jirex7gkFxMiNmN45SxyMxSUsdGcrsf. Altcoins were never traceable, nor is that any of your concern. The team took less % than they could with the first release milestone.
November 18, 2017, 01:25:29 AM
The BTC escrowed funds is long gone from the multi-sig address, alt-coins untraceable
November 18, 2017, 12:41:59 AM
So what I gather so far here:
* The ICO was a shitshow due to poor instructions and guidance - the very first part of the project was a total clusterfuck
* NVO has missed - by large margins - every deadline or estimate they've given. "Days away" has turned into months, for example.
* NVO has been terrible at communicating and has no central source of information or updates - and can't be bothered to update the one official place they have (their website)
* NVO has provided literally no proof of any work or accomplishments so far
* No one knows anything about any of the developers except that some are also involved in other similarly unfinished/non-responsive projects
Does that sum up where we are?
Outside of blind faith, what is the trust-in-NVO argument based on? What have the developers shown you that suggests they can:
* Build the NVO exchange
* Develop an actual clientele and address the various customer service and other issues that will come up
* Make it profitable and bring in consistent revenues
* Reliably deliver the shares of profits to NVO Token holders
* The ICO was a shitshow due to poor instructions and guidance - the very first part of the project was a total clusterfuck
* NVO has missed - by large margins - every deadline or estimate they've given. "Days away" has turned into months, for example.
* NVO has been terrible at communicating and has no central source of information or updates - and can't be bothered to update the one official place they have (their website)
* NVO has provided literally no proof of any work or accomplishments so far
* No one knows anything about any of the developers except that some are also involved in other similarly unfinished/non-responsive projects
Does that sum up where we are?
Outside of blind faith, what is the trust-in-NVO argument based on? What have the developers shown you that suggests they can:
* Build the NVO exchange
* Develop an actual clientele and address the various customer service and other issues that will come up
* Make it profitable and bring in consistent revenues
* Reliably deliver the shares of profits to NVO Token holders
I actually thought the ICO was fine, people just can't follow directions in cryptoland.
Deadlines do tend to get missed in software engineering though, and they do have hard evidence of progress.
Their communication definitely could be better, maybe like a weekly update on the website or something. Just a paragraph here and there would go a long way.
I've heard that there are more than just two devs on the project (they hired more with the ICO funds).
Hopefully they can bring everything you noted below to the table.
It's good to hear other perspectives, maybe we can get some others to chime in.
This guy actually thinks that being a few weeks late on software is a big deal? So many people have never lived in reality. Anytime you have a project, stuff goes wrong and issues come up.
Maybe he prefers the product to be launched on time but with bugs and all kinds of pitfalls. Fine, I hope he is the first to lose big money trading on a half-baked product. Give them time to get it right or would you really want to trade on an insecure exchange???
November 18, 2017, 12:38:20 AM
So what I gather so far here:
* The ICO was a shitshow due to poor instructions and guidance - the very first part of the project was a total clusterfuck - well I followed the directions and received my tokens just fine. There were some folks who sent from a source of multiple inputs that did not receive their tokens yet, because of the plethora of people who didn’t follow the directions that even though the crowdsale said they would lose their tokens, the NVO team has still helped them and have been forced to suspend all customer service until the first milestone.
* NVO has missed - by large margins - every deadline or estimate they've given. "Days away" has turned into months, for example. While the wallet has been delayed, most of the delay has been from a change in strategy to code for the exchange some portions at the same time while coding the wallet. The other delay has been to work out some bugs which is common.
* NVO has been terrible at communicating and has no central source of information or updates - and can't be bothered to update the one official place they have (their website) Ton is active on slack. I do agree communication could be better, but they have stated to the slack community that until the wallet is released and they have produced something, they are not making communication a priority. This is their decision. Some people may not like it. They prefer to let their product do the talking first, then they will come out of their shell.
* NVO has provided literally no proof of any work or accomplishments so far That is untrue. They have had a Skype call with 33 slack members showcasing the wallet and answering some questions. They do not want to broadcast code until the project is in advanced stages. They do not want to reveal their innovations just yet. This can appear to be an excuse for lack of work, but as this project could very well be something special it can also be a viable tactic for self-preservation. When the wallet comes out, soon - all of these doubts will vanish.
* No one knows anything about any of the developers except that some are also involved in other similarly unfinished/non-responsive projects I can’t say much here except one of the unfinished projects was abandoned for this one.
Does that sum up where we are?
Outside of blind faith, what is the trust-in-NVO argument based on? What have the developers shown you that suggests they can:
* Build the NVO exchange The wallet seen on Skype helps, but what proof does anyone have that any ico will come to fruition and be successful? They are all a gamble. Personally my initial small investment came from just the white paper, subsequent investments have come through conversations in various forums that I have witnessed or been a part of.
* Develop an actual clientele and address the various customer service and other issues that will come up Same thing here - based off conversations, statements, and also the amount of people they helped in the early stages to get their tokens even when they didn’t follow clear ico directions. It clearly said on the ico page to not send bitcoin from an exchange or from an address you do not control the private keys, yet some people still did that. And NVO took the time to help them. That has to mean something. They consistently say that once the wallet is released, we will see a heightened presence. I am fine with that, some are not.
* Make it profitable and bring in consistent revenues Nothing new to say
* Reliably deliver the shares of profits to NVO Token holders Nothing new to say
So the deal is this - a wallet should be coming out soon. If you don’t trust them you can either wait to invest or sell what investment you have. If you are not sure or do trust them, wait a little while longer and see what happens.
November 18, 2017, 12:29:51 AM
I might have a little experience in the business world with my supply chain management degree, my prior experience working for a fortune 500 and my business that I've owned for the last two year.
Then I would hope you'd know that slack forums are not a good way to communicate to an investor base. Otherwise, your degree is worthless and I hope you didn't have any kind of an important job at your company. This is even more basic than Business 101. They have a website - they should use it. Expecting people to hunt down the business owner on a slack channel - and one that is not taking new members at the moment - is about as stupid a business philosophy as you can get.
They only took 9% of the first escrow payout, they were entitled to 1/3. They are using an escrow, they keep updating slack and we keep seeing the wallet in action. Now tell me, why did you make a newbie account to troll this forum? Are you with some crappy competitor?
Again, you seem really big on distraction. Why does it matter why I'm here? The facts are facts -if they are on your side, you should be able to make an *affirmative* case for them instead of just trying to discredit everyone else. Why do you avoid that? If you are correct about them doing things right, it should be very easy to do. Escrow is irrelevant because you have no access to the money anyway - there's no need or reason to take all the money from escrow immediately. As I mentioned earlier, updating slack is relatively worthless - that's not a professional means of communication any more than Trump posting policy on Twitter. The wallet is NOT in action - at least from what I've seen, all we have are images, which frankly mean nothing.
November 17, 2017, 09:30:40 PM
This guy actually thinks that being a few weeks late on software is a big deal? So many people have never lived in reality. Anytime you have a project, stuff goes wrong and issues come up.
Yes, and good developers & companiescommunicate openly and honestly about it. Do *you* have any experience in the business world? Delays are inevitable - lack of communication is generally an indication of deeper problems.
Again, I stated the case against NVO. Instead of simply criticizing, why don't you try to make the affirmative case for them? What they have done well thus far? What evidence have they provided for your faith? What metrics have they met successfully? Seems like it's a lot easier to criticize the critics, but much tougher to justify the faith.
I might have a little experience in the business world with my supply chain management degree, my prior experience working for a fortune 500 and my business that I've owned for the last two year.
They only took 9% of the first escrow payout, they were entitled to 1/3. They are using an escrow, they keep updating slack and we keep seeing the wallet in action. Now tell me, why did you make a newbie account to troll this forum? Are you with some crappy competitor?
November 17, 2017, 09:13:33 PM
So what I gather so far here:
* The ICO was a shitshow due to poor instructions and guidance - the very first part of the project was a total clusterfuck
* NVO has missed - by large margins - every deadline or estimate they've given. "Days away" has turned into months, for example.
* NVO has been terrible at communicating and has no central source of information or updates - and can't be bothered to update the one official place they have (their website)
* NVO has provided literally no proof of any work or accomplishments so far
* No one knows anything about any of the developers except that some are also involved in other similarly unfinished/non-responsive projects
* The ICO was a shitshow due to poor instructions and guidance - the very first part of the project was a total clusterfuck
* NVO has missed - by large margins - every deadline or estimate they've given. "Days away" has turned into months, for example.
* NVO has been terrible at communicating and has no central source of information or updates - and can't be bothered to update the one official place they have (their website)
* NVO has provided literally no proof of any work or accomplishments so far
* No one knows anything about any of the developers except that some are also involved in other similarly unfinished/non-responsive projects
Literally all of the major red flags of a scam.
I think people are so blinded by how much profits they were promised, that they refuse to believe that they aren't going to be filthy stinking rich, and are in so much denial that they made a bad decision, that they're making up excuses FOR the devs.
I know it. I was one of them until recently. The coin promises to be SO profitable, that people bend over backwards to defy logic, so they don't feel that awful sting of knowing they got conned hard.
November 17, 2017, 05:54:52 PM
Well let's see:
- Long list of unfinished projects.
- Escrow funds long gone from the multi-sig address
- Self-proclaimed genius nemgun, with no codes, no github profiles to show for it
- Misleading ICO investors by claiming partnership, endorsement, affiliations that are not true.
And so far - every single deadlines has been missed.
And you trust them?
- Long list of unfinished projects.
- Escrow funds long gone from the multi-sig address
- Self-proclaimed genius nemgun, with no codes, no github profiles to show for it
- Misleading ICO investors by claiming partnership, endorsement, affiliations that are not true.
And so far - every single deadlines has been missed.
And you trust them?
November 17, 2017, 05:47:01 PM
This guy actually thinks that being a few weeks late on software is a big deal? So many people have never lived in reality. Anytime you have a project, stuff goes wrong and issues come up.
Yes, and good developers & companiescommunicate openly and honestly about it. Do *you* have any experience in the business world? Delays are inevitable - lack of communication is generally an indication of deeper problems.
Again, I stated the case against NVO. Instead of simply criticizing, why don't you try to make the affirmative case for them? What they have done well thus far? What evidence have they provided for your faith? What metrics have they met successfully? Seems like it's a lot easier to criticize the critics, but much tougher to justify the faith.
November 17, 2017, 05:35:53 PM
So what I gather so far here:
* The ICO was a shitshow due to poor instructions and guidance - the very first part of the project was a total clusterfuck
* NVO has missed - by large margins - every deadline or estimate they've given. "Days away" has turned into months, for example.
* NVO has been terrible at communicating and has no central source of information or updates - and can't be bothered to update the one official place they have (their website)
* NVO has provided literally no proof of any work or accomplishments so far
* No one knows anything about any of the developers except that some are also involved in other similarly unfinished/non-responsive projects
Does that sum up where we are?
Outside of blind faith, what is the trust-in-NVO argument based on? What have the developers shown you that suggests they can:
* Build the NVO exchange
* Develop an actual clientele and address the various customer service and other issues that will come up
* Make it profitable and bring in consistent revenues
* Reliably deliver the shares of profits to NVO Token holders
* The ICO was a shitshow due to poor instructions and guidance - the very first part of the project was a total clusterfuck
* NVO has missed - by large margins - every deadline or estimate they've given. "Days away" has turned into months, for example.
* NVO has been terrible at communicating and has no central source of information or updates - and can't be bothered to update the one official place they have (their website)
* NVO has provided literally no proof of any work or accomplishments so far
* No one knows anything about any of the developers except that some are also involved in other similarly unfinished/non-responsive projects
Does that sum up where we are?
Outside of blind faith, what is the trust-in-NVO argument based on? What have the developers shown you that suggests they can:
* Build the NVO exchange
* Develop an actual clientele and address the various customer service and other issues that will come up
* Make it profitable and bring in consistent revenues
* Reliably deliver the shares of profits to NVO Token holders
I actually thought the ICO was fine, people just can't follow directions in cryptoland.
Deadlines do tend to get missed in software engineering though, and they do have hard evidence of progress.
Their communication definitely could be better, maybe like a weekly update on the website or something. Just a paragraph here and there would go a long way.
I've heard that there are more than just two devs on the project (they hired more with the ICO funds).
Hopefully they can bring everything you noted below to the table.
It's good to hear other perspectives, maybe we can get some others to chime in.
This guy actually thinks that being a few weeks late on software is a big deal? So many people have never lived in reality. Anytime you have a project, stuff goes wrong and issues come up.
November 17, 2017, 03:38:34 PM
So what I gather so far here:
* The ICO was a shitshow due to poor instructions and guidance - the very first part of the project was a total clusterfuck
* NVO has missed - by large margins - every deadline or estimate they've given. "Days away" has turned into months, for example.
* NVO has been terrible at communicating and has no central source of information or updates - and can't be bothered to update the one official place they have (their website)
* NVO has provided literally no proof of any work or accomplishments so far
* No one knows anything about any of the developers except that some are also involved in other similarly unfinished/non-responsive projects
Does that sum up where we are?
Outside of blind faith, what is the trust-in-NVO argument based on? What have the developers shown you that suggests they can:
* Build the NVO exchange
* Develop an actual clientele and address the various customer service and other issues that will come up
* Make it profitable and bring in consistent revenues
* Reliably deliver the shares of profits to NVO Token holders
* The ICO was a shitshow due to poor instructions and guidance - the very first part of the project was a total clusterfuck
* NVO has missed - by large margins - every deadline or estimate they've given. "Days away" has turned into months, for example.
* NVO has been terrible at communicating and has no central source of information or updates - and can't be bothered to update the one official place they have (their website)
* NVO has provided literally no proof of any work or accomplishments so far
* No one knows anything about any of the developers except that some are also involved in other similarly unfinished/non-responsive projects
Does that sum up where we are?
Outside of blind faith, what is the trust-in-NVO argument based on? What have the developers shown you that suggests they can:
* Build the NVO exchange
* Develop an actual clientele and address the various customer service and other issues that will come up
* Make it profitable and bring in consistent revenues
* Reliably deliver the shares of profits to NVO Token holders
I actually thought the ICO was fine, people just can't follow directions in cryptoland.
Deadlines do tend to get missed in software engineering though, and they do have hard evidence of progress.
Their communication definitely could be better, maybe like a weekly update on the website or something. Just a paragraph here and there would go a long way.
I've heard that there are more than just two devs on the project (they hired more with the ICO funds).
Hopefully they can bring everything you noted below to the table.
It's good to hear other perspectives, maybe we can get some others to chime in.
November 17, 2017, 01:41:34 PM
So what I gather so far here:
* The ICO was a shitshow due to poor instructions and guidance - the very first part of the project was a total clusterfuck
* NVO has missed - by large margins - every deadline or estimate they've given. "Days away" has turned into months, for example.
* NVO has been terrible at communicating and has no central source of information or updates - and can't be bothered to update the one official place they have (their website)
* NVO has provided literally no proof of any work or accomplishments so far
* No one knows anything about any of the developers except that some are also involved in other similarly unfinished/non-responsive projects
Does that sum up where we are?
Outside of blind faith, what is the trust-in-NVO argument based on? What have the developers shown you that suggests they can:
* Build the NVO exchange
* Develop an actual clientele and address the various customer service and other issues that will come up
* Make it profitable and bring in consistent revenues
* Reliably deliver the shares of profits to NVO Token holders
* The ICO was a shitshow due to poor instructions and guidance - the very first part of the project was a total clusterfuck
* NVO has missed - by large margins - every deadline or estimate they've given. "Days away" has turned into months, for example.
* NVO has been terrible at communicating and has no central source of information or updates - and can't be bothered to update the one official place they have (their website)
* NVO has provided literally no proof of any work or accomplishments so far
* No one knows anything about any of the developers except that some are also involved in other similarly unfinished/non-responsive projects
Does that sum up where we are?
Outside of blind faith, what is the trust-in-NVO argument based on? What have the developers shown you that suggests they can:
* Build the NVO exchange
* Develop an actual clientele and address the various customer service and other issues that will come up
* Make it profitable and bring in consistent revenues
* Reliably deliver the shares of profits to NVO Token holders
November 17, 2017, 01:37:05 PM
Where are all these fudders coming from? This is honestly ridiculous because the team is continuously active on slack. The last time ton was on slack (yesterday) he said the wallet would be released the next time he signed on. Theyre obviously working on the wallet and ran into a few issues which would become a problem when integrating the decentralized exchange. I think everyone needs to calm down and let the team do their work.
November 17, 2017, 03:53:10 AM
Interesting, keep my eye on
November 17, 2017, 01:00:13 AM
Ton did say that the next time he gets on slack, the wallet would be released. When this will be.... who knows...
...Searches for skeleton meme....
November 17, 2017, 12:16:47 AM
CrowdSale ended. Congratulation with NVO, I wanna joining your signature campaign, so I have reserved your threat until my status be eligible.
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