Topic: [ANN][ICO] «Envion» Most Profitable Self-Expanding Crypto Infrastructure - page 215. (Read 125671 times)

You was in Germany? You think Germany have 365 bright days in year?
Also, Im little know about solar energy. And this is not so cheap, such you think.

Good evening envion,

Firstly, congratulations for your hard work and accomplishments so far; this is certainly an interesting idea with potentially great returns for investors, and also very positive environmental benefits.

Congratulations also for your patience when dealing with the less polite/sane questions on this forum.

I have read your white paper but have some more questions I hope you can address.

1) Can you confirm you have only created and tested a single MMU so far, and this contains far fewer processors than your intended final product? Does this mean that your next few MMUs will basically still be prototypes? What design challenges and required alterations do you envisage when tested at full capacity, which will obviously require far greater cooling? Can you say how long testing will take before you are happy to deploy full MMUs in the field?

2) Will your published team members be working solely on this project full time, or will they work on other projects at the same time? Do they have ownership of or executive positions within companies that will be working with envion? Can you please tell me how much of the company is owned by the published team, and how many other people are involved and how much of the company they own? Are there other founders whose identities are not being published? If so, why is this?

3) I am having trouble finding references or reputable financial commentators giving opinions on your project. I realise this may be because it is a newly formed (or newly-revealed) company. Do you happen to have links to reviews or opinion pieces from independent sources? Any particular write-ups you are pleased with, or reviews you are not happy about?

4) There is little detail available regarding the financial structure of deployed MMUs. Am I right in saying you will be leasing the MMUs to third party companies, who will be paying your company 35% of the MMU's profits? Can you explain why you would give away 65% of the spoils of your units rather than own them 100%? Would the lease income be included in the profits calculated for token holders?

5) When will the first monthly dividends be paid out?

6) The dividends paid to token holders: how will this be calculated? A hypothetical example: on month 1, ETH is worth US$300 and envion pays me 1 ETH for my token holding. In month 2, ETH is worth $150. Will my dividend be 1 ETH or 2 ETH?

I have more questions but will leave it there for now.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Kind regards,

KaiBosh

There appears to be another token with the same letters EVN (evencoin). Could this be problematic for my ERC-20 compliant wallet?

How many different energy providers have you partnered with so far?

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Some important questions that need to be answered are:

1. Why would power-plants want to host these "Mobile Mining Units?"

2. Are there currently any power-plants that are exclusively on-board with Envion right at this moment?
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I ask these questions because of the fact that it could be years before any power-plant agrees to do business with Envion.
There could literally be no return on investment for years and years. That's why this token will be categorized as a Pump n Dump, it will only be able to make money from being traded.
There can be NO DIVIDENDS if there are no power-plants that are hosting the MMU's
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The fear is that these MMU's will be sitting for months and months awaiting a power-plant to allow them to tap into their power sources and be parked on their Private Property.
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ENVION why don't you answer, where is your mining farm??

You did not answer my  question!!!!

1.You have not answered-where is your mining???
 
Where exactly is mining farm? 

2. What you could do a patent if your company only 1 month? 

3. I asked you ENVION :  do not call the compute capacity of your container : how many PH/s  MH/s?

you ENVION told me: We will publish calculation details including costs and hashing power this week. To give you a rough understanding and a possible ETH mining configuration: 11200MH/s (ETH mining) at 114.000 USD - but please wait for some detailed and more exact numbers within the next days, maybe today. Publishing will take place at Telegram first and, in next email newsletter latest.

My conclusion for the answer :

Are you kidding me?  -----  You do not know the computing capacity of your container where you do mining??
And this phrase is What it means : the team needs time to learn it and prepare a response to ?

So you do nothing!!!!!!

how you could count a profit of 161% if you even now do not understand - as you have computing power in your container!!

You just collect the money for them to steal!!!!!!

You did not have any when mining!!!!!!

You hide the founders of the company!!!!!!

You are a disgrace to the community BLOCKCHAIN !!!!!!!!!


ENVION ----------------YOU scammers - you can at least one my question answer?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THEY ENVION  you do not have  --------ANYTHING AT ALL - EXCEPT THE DECORATED CONTAINER AND HIRED A MONTH AGO THE TEAM !!!!!

THE ATTENTION OF INVESTORS ------- ENVION 100% SCAMMERS!!!!!!!

Hi there.  I am sure this has been asked before so please bear with me. How are dividends paid? You mention ROI when you have the tokens. How does that work?

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Why would solar and wind plants want to host the Envion Pods?
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What incentive does Envion offer to the power plants to park their mining pods on their property?

Hello,

I checked out the dashboard of your mining unit a few times, different days, different times.
So far I've always seen it makes a revenue of $577.37 in the last 24h, always the same when I check? How is that possible with changing prices of btc and eth and changing difficulty?
Also how much of this revenue would be profit (how much does it cost to operate for 24h)

good prospects for mining it seems

fratrad: Could you please write a more detailed questions so that we could better understand you?

andonexx: The dividend payment is independent from second market token price. The hardware will be built based on the monetary of the ICO and this hardware is of course independent from the second market price of the token.

gembira: Thank you for your question, I think cybercash has already answered it.

Crankautist: There were links to Solon and Matthias Woestmann in previews long posts of envion. The involvement in a company does necessarily not leave marks at google. In case you want a confirmation about his involvement from a third party you should please ask a third party like the CEO of Solon at that time. (Please do not use excessive font size & capslock.)

Nick P: I think cybercash has already answered your question.

MarkX2: Envion agrees with you just in one point: we also encourage our investors to be careful and ask question. Besides inappropriate statements like blaming us we would steal money we see one relevant topic: what will happen with the investors’ money? Please have a look at our whitepaper, especially page5 to page8 concerning this. You will find a transparent and binding explanation of what is done with the investors’ money. In very short: 91% of the ICO monetary goes into MMUs. The rest goes into research, development, admin, etc. Nothing goes to shareholders of the AG. We have a new economy in the Blockchain world: tokens. The tokens are the relevant thing when it comes to holdings of the team behind everything. 10% of the tokens go to the team. The share is based on involvement of the team which you mostly see on the website. The AG was chosen as it gives a good starting basis for a stock market launch. An ICO is similar to that which also supports the choice. Not least it gives more trust than other company types because there are more supervisory authorities in an AG. You will find out that many of the big [Suspicious link removed]panies have chosen this type of company in Switzerland which is also based on a vast number of legal  considerations.

lagur: We decided to not announce things that are not written and signed. We have dozens of remarkable news but to bring it to written contracts or LOIs always takes some time. Also big companies like international banks or energy provider often do not want to be mentioned in very early stages. For example: we have a contract with one of the Big Four audit companies now but they always have a clause saying that mentioning the name is not allowed. Instead of that we are now working on implementing a procedure to to announcements indirect through a notary. Yes, many companies would just publish anything but we want to be exemplary even if this sometimes means to be be modest. We often do not like that but hope to get the appreciation to act like that.

markX2: We will not answer to his questions again. We did in Telegram many times before we had to ban hin out of the chat after many warnings. We also answered in one posting https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.24417500 We ansered to one of his questions in this posting. In case somebody sees any of his questions unanswered and interesting/important please ask us here or in Telegram, we will be happy to answer you. To not waste the time and by that harm the envion community we might ignore mark2x or at least not treat with the same efforts we bring for everyone else. In case someone thinks this decision is wrong we are also open to talk about that.

alex_liu: Thank you for supporting us in this matter.

Ukraine2020: The token helps to realise divdend payouts. How to get them will be explained in FAQ and on the ICO page: https://www.envion.org/en/ico/

Cybercash: thank you!

BountyHunter004: It is one of the 10 first words in our main posting. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/envion-highest-roi-crypto-infrastructure-2m-bounty-available-2349366

gembira: In Germany it is profitable but we will most likely not place MMUs in Germany for longer time as the electricity costs because of several duties are very much higher than in other countries.

Cybercash: thank you!

sachindu d amarakoon: Thank you for your post. Why are you posting tweets and ETH adress etc.?

Crankautist: Please try to explain what you want to show to the community. Full article concerning the new advisor: https://medium.com/@envion/envion-welcomes-moritz-strube-as-advisor-bd5921e12e46 (Please do not manipulate font and color in that way. Please do not use capslock.)

MarkX2: see above

filipk: we already ansered to MarkX2. Please see my text above in this posting. In case you find something unansered after reading that please give us your question. Concerning the compute power: We will publish calculation details including costs and hashing power this week. To give you a rough understanding and a possible ETH mining configuration: 11200MH/s (ETH mining) at 114.000 USD - but please wait for some detailed and more exact numbers within the next days, maybe today. Publishing will take place at Telegram first and, in next email newsletter latest.

Vincent20100: see above

mrelich: thank you very much!

gabrielepopa: " I agree with Mark about the whole thing" is not something we could discuss as he is mainly stating that we are thiefs. Please try to give topics that we could speak of and please read our answers to his questions. Concerning the existence of the company: please use google or call the commercial register to confirm this topic. Also find names of the team on the website. There will also be a team picture within the next three days. We did a live video and have posted some other videos and will post furthermore within the next days. Please visit Facebook for more video content. Matthias was actually in Frankfurt at the financial center by the way. - Conercning the owners see my text above in this posting. - Concerning the CEO and his financial background: it was never said that he has invested 300m nor is this relevant for other projects. This is a project with the aim to decentralize mining infrastructure, please read our whitepaper. This is a project coming from a big team not just from one person. - Your assumption that envion would have fraudulent aims is not true. Please do your research. The team members give their names and you can find out a lot of things about them but nothing like you want to impute to them. - Where does the money go: please read the whitepaper, p5 to p9. - envion is incorporated in Switzerland like many many other [Suspicious link removed]panies mainly because of legal considerations. - your statement concerning the US investors is not true. US investors are not excluded. It is clearly stated under what circumstances US investors are allowed to invest. Respectively all your constructing assumptions based on that are also wrong. Please read the whitepaper or the legal section of the website.

Thank you Envion team for this reply piece. I do believe there is a lot of potential in this and I will be joining your ICO.

A very important point that needs to be reiterated to potential investors is the following analogy of a two way street: In the one direction we have the Envion team who has a responsibility towards its investors to sort out any problem that might arise, expectedly or unexpectedly. I do believe they understand the gravity of this responsibility. In the other direction of the proverbial two way street, we have the investors who have to accept the fact that some things might not go as planned, but hopefully the majority of items will go as planned. As investors we have to choose the investment we are most comfortable with taking the analogy above into full consideration. Personally, I believe this model can work.

I am eagerly awaiting the stats for Envion in one year's time.

Im already interested in this project, i think if the project is implemented fully in its true spirit, it can provide great results to investors,  i would also agree with other members here about transparency, the project should be as transparent as possible, to boost confidence in the project.

If I remember correctly there was an interview with the CEO on facebook in the working container, quite hard to understand because of the fans though... Perhaps somebody with a little bit more time can link that one

With all due respect, you've signed up to Bitcointalk yesterday and wrote 2 posts with the exact same text, both attacking Envion. I smell competition...

This is great idea, help make mining decentralized again!

Hi Envion,

I subscribed to BitCoin Talk mainly to ask a few questions regarding your ICO. I've read your whitepaper carefully and I'm interested in investing on December 1, 2017. I fall into the category of investor who is living outside of Switzerland and the US. I would therefore like to know what (if any) process there may be to verifying identity, setting up a credit card account, etc. I ask because I do not want to be ready to pay on December 1 only to find out that I am unable to pay because I am lacking a document or I cannot verify my identity because I do not have a utility bill or passport handy.

How has Envion prepared for increases in inevitable difficulty increases in the various blockchains you plan on mining within? While I understand that this can be projected and hedge for over the short term, five years is a long time!

Thanks,
Jimmy

P.S. It would be nice to have a video tour of the container and the currently operating facility and perhaps another video posting of your team at work. I hope this isn't too much to ask  .   

Is there any extra fees if someone wants to use fiat for the purchase of the tokens?
Also, how many of the containers have been deployed already?
Thanks!

Hey all, I'm really interested in this, but I have concerns about the financial security definition.  Does anyone know the consequences for holding such securities without qualifying legally? Also does anyone know what kind of turn-around that application to the SEC could take if things run smoothly?

Thank you!

Honestly, I agree with Mark about the whole thing, there are way too many redflags and the smell of fraud is leaking everywhere.
First of all, for the sake of investors Envion should prove immediately that they are a real company. How to do that?
Give legal adress and especially whareouse adress so they can invite potential costumers to take a tour.
Make videos and photos of the team working, videos and photos of people actually working on the container not fake interviews of Matthias talking with a greenscreen depicting Fankfurt financial center.
Second: why the f**k a seroius company like Envion keeps the owners of the company in shadows? Do you know why Envion is giving up the names of the team members? Because they will have no penal responsability if everything goes wrong.
Third: if the so called CTO Matthias is half of what he claims to be ( investing 300ml € in solar energy) why the hell should he need tiny random investors from bitcointalk. A man of his caliber, with a strong financial background has, for sure, ties with the german financial hub and does not need 1000 people investing 2-3k in his enterprise.
Envion wants to collect money from as many people as possible because people who invest 2-3k is not going to risk to hire a lawyer to get some saved money back.
Fourth: Where does the money go? From as far as I know it could go into a bank account called charity and end of story. Envion should give IBAN or bank wire account of the destination. Here we go with the fifth.
Fifth: Envion is a swiss startup operating in germany...why is that?
If everybody reads the whitepaper carefully it states that American citizens and green card holders cannot participate to ICO. The reason behind this is simple, swiss bank account holders have something called professional secrecy wich protects the account holder( ex. Banks do not have to give id of their costumers to law enforcement agencies)
The only way to bypass that is to commit an action that it is considered crime in both US and Swizerland and that the owner can be prosecuted in one of these countries. Hence, if he commits fraud to a US citizen and it is sued by him/her, its bananas in the dark hole for the account owner.
PEOPLE PLEASE RAISE YOUR AWARNESS, SAME GOES FOR THE MODERATORS

Crankautist and MarkX2 - please, I am tired of reading your offensive comments that are constantly being repeated. Me, as a potential investor in this ICO, would welcome factual discussion over this project, which seems very interesting to me.