There is absolutely no information about matthias woestmann and the Solon AG.
ABSOLUTELY ZERO.
Topic: [ANN][ICO] «Envion» Most Profitable Self-Expanding Crypto Infrastructure - page 217. (Read 125581 times)
November 13, 2017, 11:57:37 AM
November 13, 2017, 09:54:07 AM
You want provide cheap energy for mining? I understand corectly? Its will be solar energy? Which avantages you have before usual electric power?
Not only solar energy is possible, all green energy sources are imaginable.
The advantage is, that it's much cheaper to get energy for the MMUs.
November 13, 2017, 09:40:06 AM
You want provide cheap energy for mining? I understand corectly? Its will be solar energy? Which avantages you have before usual electric power?
November 13, 2017, 08:49:27 AM
I know that tokens holders are people are holding tokens, but thanks for your answer. I was just wondering. if your project is a great success, then the value of the token will rise. So that means token holder will be rewarded twice? whether he buys his token in ico or on exchanges? The holders will receive the profit from the appreciation of the token, and the weekly dividend in eth? wow
Sounds like a good profitable business.
Thanks
Andonexx
2nd question: The company you have found is incorporated in Germany, we are incorporated in Switzerland. Our company is a "Aktiengesellschaft" as you could see in the "AG" at the end of the company name.
Thank you cybercash for answering the question of andonexx in a short an efficient way!
Sounds like a good profitable business.
Thanks
Andonexx
Hello i only registered to leave my post and my question for this topic and hope to get an answer.
I like this project and did my research but also I made simple calculation. If there is an maximum Token Issue Volume from 150,000,000 / 83 % are going to Token Holders / 5 % Reserve. Let’s say during the ICO all tokens (83 % ) sold out to token holders and the holders just hold it for a couple of years , how do you want to cash out the 161% Per year if there are only 5 % reserve inside the Envonic AG ? If I understand it well, you will cash out in Tokens like airdrop for the token holders . What do you mean by token holders in that case? Just people who were registrated and invested during the ICO, made invests and hold there tokens, or also people who buy the tokens at exchanges after the ico? I would like to know how the cash out will happen ?
Next question: Your company Name „ Envion AG „. There is a company based in Berlin with the same Name „Envion AG“ „AG“ in this case being the legal form / Aktiengesellschaft . But this Company has nothing to do with your project ( I did my research) http://www.envion-ag.de So how is it even possible that your Project can use their Name even though your Projekt is not an „Aktengesellschaft“ ?
Please answer,
Andonexx
Thank you for registering at bitcointalk to start communicating with us. Maybe Telegram is a even better place for you as this are kind of basic understanding topics and on Telegram there a fast q&a might be better. Concerning your questions: tokens holders are people holding tokens. It does not matter where they got them from. Payout will start in ETH, not in company tokens. I like this project and did my research but also I made simple calculation. If there is an maximum Token Issue Volume from 150,000,000 / 83 % are going to Token Holders / 5 % Reserve. Let’s say during the ICO all tokens (83 % ) sold out to token holders and the holders just hold it for a couple of years , how do you want to cash out the 161% Per year if there are only 5 % reserve inside the Envonic AG ? If I understand it well, you will cash out in Tokens like airdrop for the token holders . What do you mean by token holders in that case? Just people who were registrated and invested during the ICO, made invests and hold there tokens, or also people who buy the tokens at exchanges after the ico? I would like to know how the cash out will happen ?
Next question: Your company Name „ Envion AG „. There is a company based in Berlin with the same Name „Envion AG“ „AG“ in this case being the legal form / Aktiengesellschaft . But this Company has nothing to do with your project ( I did my research) http://www.envion-ag.de So how is it even possible that your Project can use their Name even though your Projekt is not an „Aktengesellschaft“ ?
Please answer,
Andonexx
2nd question: The company you have found is incorporated in Germany, we are incorporated in Switzerland. Our company is a "Aktiengesellschaft" as you could see in the "AG" at the end of the company name.
Thank you cybercash for answering the question of andonexx in a short an efficient way!
November 13, 2017, 08:44:32 AM
HOW ITS POSSIBLE WITH DIFFICULTY OVER NEXT YEARS ( NOT CALCULATED ) AND ONLY SUN at 2 Days in WEEK.
TEH PEOPLE GET A SOFTENER in EYES, ITS NOT POSSIBLE
TEH PEOPLE GET A SOFTENER in EYES, ITS NOT POSSIBLE
November 13, 2017, 08:21:39 AM
Thank u very much
There will be no Airdrop. Airdrop is free. You are buying Envion Tokens.
If you bought Envion tokens and have it in your wallet, then you are a Token holder.
Also if you are buying Envion Tokens on an exchange, then you are a Token Holder as well.
Cash out = dividens you will get weekly in Ethereum (ETH).
Envion is based in switzerland, but the startup is working from berlin.
Hello i only registered to leave my post and my question for this topic and hope to get an answer.
I like this project and did my research but also I made simple calculation. If there is an maximum Token Issue Volume from 150,000,000 / 83 % are going to Token Holders / 5 % Reserve. Let’s say during the ICO all tokens (83 % ) sold out to token holders and the holders just hold it for a couple of years , how do you want to cash out the 161% Per year if there are only 5 % reserve inside the Envonic AG ? If I understand it well, you will cash out in Tokens like airdrop for the token holders . What do you mean by token holders in that case? Just people who were registrated and invested during the ICO, made invests and hold there tokens, or also people who buy the tokens at exchanges after the ico? I would like to know how the cash out will happen ?
Next question: Your company Name „ Envion AG „. There is a company based in Berlin with the same Name „Envion AG“ „AG“ in this case being the legal form / Aktiengesellschaft . But this Company has nothing to do with your project ( I did my research) http://www.envion-ag.de So how is it even possible that your Project can use their Name even though your Projekt is not an „Aktengesellschaft“ ?
Please answer,
Andonexx
I like this project and did my research but also I made simple calculation. If there is an maximum Token Issue Volume from 150,000,000 / 83 % are going to Token Holders / 5 % Reserve. Let’s say during the ICO all tokens (83 % ) sold out to token holders and the holders just hold it for a couple of years , how do you want to cash out the 161% Per year if there are only 5 % reserve inside the Envonic AG ? If I understand it well, you will cash out in Tokens like airdrop for the token holders . What do you mean by token holders in that case? Just people who were registrated and invested during the ICO, made invests and hold there tokens, or also people who buy the tokens at exchanges after the ico? I would like to know how the cash out will happen ?
Next question: Your company Name „ Envion AG „. There is a company based in Berlin with the same Name „Envion AG“ „AG“ in this case being the legal form / Aktiengesellschaft . But this Company has nothing to do with your project ( I did my research) http://www.envion-ag.de So how is it even possible that your Project can use their Name even though your Projekt is not an „Aktengesellschaft“ ?
Please answer,
Andonexx
There will be no Airdrop. Airdrop is free. You are buying Envion Tokens.
If you bought Envion tokens and have it in your wallet, then you are a Token holder.
Also if you are buying Envion Tokens on an exchange, then you are a Token Holder as well.
Cash out = dividens you will get weekly in Ethereum (ETH).
Envion is based in switzerland, but the startup is working from berlin.
November 13, 2017, 07:45:58 AM
Hello i only registered to leave my post and my question for this topic and hope to get an answer.
I like this project and did my research but also I made simple calculation. If there is an maximum Token Issue Volume from 150,000,000 / 83 % are going to Token Holders / 5 % Reserve. Let’s say during the ICO all tokens (83 % ) sold out to token holders and the holders just hold it for a couple of years , how do you want to cash out the 161% Per year if there are only 5 % reserve inside the Envonic AG ? If I understand it well, you will cash out in Tokens like airdrop for the token holders . What do you mean by token holders in that case? Just people who were registrated and invested during the ICO, made invests and hold there tokens, or also people who buy the tokens at exchanges after the ico? I would like to know how the cash out will happen ?
Next question: Your company Name „ Envion AG „. There is a company based in Berlin with the same Name „Envion AG“ „AG“ in this case being the legal form / Aktiengesellschaft . But this Company has nothing to do with your project ( I did my research) http://www.envion-ag.de So how is it even possible that your Project can use their Name even though your Projekt is not an „Aktengesellschaft“ ?
Please answer,
Andonexx
Thank you for registering at bitcointalk to start communicating with us. Maybe Telegram is a even better place for you as this are kind of basic understanding topics and on Telegram there a fast q&a might be better. Concerning your questions: tokens holders are people holding tokens. It does not matter where they got them from. Payout will start in ETH, not in company tokens. I like this project and did my research but also I made simple calculation. If there is an maximum Token Issue Volume from 150,000,000 / 83 % are going to Token Holders / 5 % Reserve. Let’s say during the ICO all tokens (83 % ) sold out to token holders and the holders just hold it for a couple of years , how do you want to cash out the 161% Per year if there are only 5 % reserve inside the Envonic AG ? If I understand it well, you will cash out in Tokens like airdrop for the token holders . What do you mean by token holders in that case? Just people who were registrated and invested during the ICO, made invests and hold there tokens, or also people who buy the tokens at exchanges after the ico? I would like to know how the cash out will happen ?
Next question: Your company Name „ Envion AG „. There is a company based in Berlin with the same Name „Envion AG“ „AG“ in this case being the legal form / Aktiengesellschaft . But this Company has nothing to do with your project ( I did my research) http://www.envion-ag.de So how is it even possible that your Project can use their Name even though your Projekt is not an „Aktengesellschaft“ ?
Please answer,
Andonexx
2nd question: The company you have found is incorporated in Germany, we are incorporated in Switzerland. Our company is a "Aktiengesellschaft" as you could see in the "AG" at the end of the company name.
Thank you cybercash for answering the question of andonexx in a short an efficient way!
November 13, 2017, 07:38:21 AM
@envion, thanks for fast replies.
Dragos Roua has some very interesting questions on his blog, could you pls. respond?
1) "shortly, Ethereum will move to Proof of Stake, so mining Ethereum will no longer be possible
2) Bitcoin mining infrastructure is already decades away in places like China or Iceland, where they plugged into solar plants, thermal water plants or river power plants, entire factories, not just pop-up units - that leaves very few profitable currencies that you can mine ..."
Source: https://steemit.com/blockchain/@dragosroua/envion-promises-a-self-expaning-mining-infrastructure-and-obviously-there-s-an-ico-involved
Your Source is a blogger that has in our and when we understand him correct also in his own view no fundamental knowledge of blockchain industry. "It's definitely not my cup of tea, but who knows, I might be wrong on this one. It wouldn't be the first thing that I'm wrong about, that's certain. I'm a serial entrepreneur, blogger and ultrarunner. You can find me mainly on my blog at Dragos Roua where I write about productivity, business, relationships and running."Dragos Roua has some very interesting questions on his blog, could you pls. respond?
1) "shortly, Ethereum will move to Proof of Stake, so mining Ethereum will no longer be possible
2) Bitcoin mining infrastructure is already decades away in places like China or Iceland, where they plugged into solar plants, thermal water plants or river power plants, entire factories, not just pop-up units - that leaves very few profitable currencies that you can mine ..."
Source: https://steemit.com/blockchain/@dragosroua/envion-promises-a-self-expaning-mining-infrastructure-and-obviously-there-s-an-ico-involved
His claims are partially wrong or not very accurate (for example when it comes to proof of stake). But nevertheless he points to important topics. Here are some words on those topics:
1) A copy&paste from Telegram: "The thing is, our MMUs can accommodate a wide variety of hardware configs: asic, gpu, mix; and choose the coin, algo, etc dynamically based on config and current market conditions. So if any protocol is overwhelmed, they switch to something more profitable in real-time. We've also got a killer team of blockchain experts that are in the trenches with the devs from the big protocols. Ethereum is on the other side of town, you know. We are ready to meet any changes on both the hardware and software side." Information might be a few days old but Ethereum things of bringing 1% proof of stake. That has no relevant influence on mining rewards. Maybe in case that system works (and as there are thoughts to just bring 1% as a test it does not look certain yet) there might be bigger amounts of proof of stake but still there is a billions of money invested into ICOs the last two years and a lot of companies working on Software that should work based on Ethereum. In case all this interesting projects the community trusts in come to live there will be need of infrastructure. It is not very likely that this infrastructure will be 100% proof of stake. Maybe someday the mining profit for ETH goes down but that is where envion profits from as envion market share should rise as soon as profits go down as envion has best position due to aways lowest possible energy costs, extremely low cooling costs and the low overhead due to simple and cost efficient container infrastructure. After Ethereum there are a lot of other projects that need infrastructure right up to private blockchains.
2) We will not pick what is left, we are in competition with those existing mining companies not being behind but ahead with a mobile mining infrastructure that could settle for example next to existing operations in Iceland and easily move to Norway in case the price in Iceland rises which could happen. Doing mining in Iceland for example as competitors do is a tradeoff. Price is not cheap but around double the price you could get at other places around the world. But as a stationary company you have to do a tradeoff between electricity price and a forecast for the region. And also this forecast in Iceland is not 100% safe as for example Stefán Gislason, environmental advisor and lawyer in Iceland once explained that nobody knows for how long geothermal energy will be still available. Envion could is a lot more flexible here and could go more for the electricity price when it comes to the decision where to do the mining.
November 13, 2017, 07:34:57 AM
Hello i only registered to leave my post and my question for this topic and hope to get an answer.
I like this project and did my research but also I made simple calculation. If there is an maximum Token Issue Volume from 150,000,000 / 83 % are going to Token Holders / 5 % Reserve. Let’s say during the ICO all tokens (83 % ) sold out to token holders and the holders just hold it for a couple of years , how do you want to cash out the 161% Per year if there are only 5 % reserve inside the Envonic AG ? If I understand it well, you will cash out in Tokens like airdrop for the token holders . What do you mean by token holders in that case? Just people who were registrated and invested during the ICO, made invests and hold there tokens, or also people who buy the tokens at exchanges after the ico? I would like to know how the cash out will happen ?
Next question: Your company Name „ Envion AG „. There is a company based in Berlin with the same Name „Envion AG“ „AG“ in this case being the legal form / Aktiengesellschaft . But this Company has nothing to do with your project ( I did my research) http://www.envion-ag.de So how is it even possible that your Project can use their Name even though your Projekt is not an „Aktengesellschaft“ ?
Please answer,
Andonexx
I like this project and did my research but also I made simple calculation. If there is an maximum Token Issue Volume from 150,000,000 / 83 % are going to Token Holders / 5 % Reserve. Let’s say during the ICO all tokens (83 % ) sold out to token holders and the holders just hold it for a couple of years , how do you want to cash out the 161% Per year if there are only 5 % reserve inside the Envonic AG ? If I understand it well, you will cash out in Tokens like airdrop for the token holders . What do you mean by token holders in that case? Just people who were registrated and invested during the ICO, made invests and hold there tokens, or also people who buy the tokens at exchanges after the ico? I would like to know how the cash out will happen ?
Next question: Your company Name „ Envion AG „. There is a company based in Berlin with the same Name „Envion AG“ „AG“ in this case being the legal form / Aktiengesellschaft . But this Company has nothing to do with your project ( I did my research) http://www.envion-ag.de So how is it even possible that your Project can use their Name even though your Projekt is not an „Aktengesellschaft“ ?
Please answer,
Andonexx
There will be no Airdrop. Airdrop is free. You are buying Envion Tokens.
If you bought Envion tokens and have it in your wallet, then you are a Token holder.
Also if you are buying Envion Tokens on an exchange, then you are a Token Holder as well.
Cash out = dividens you will get weekly in Ethereum (ETH).
Envion is based in switzerland, but the startup is working from berlin.
November 13, 2017, 07:26:45 AM
Hello i only registered to leave my post and my question for this topic and hope to get an answer.
I like this project and did my research but also I made simple calculation. If there is an maximum Token Issue Volume from 150,000,000 / 83 % are going to Token Holders / 5 % Reserve. Let’s say during the ICO all tokens (83 % ) sold out to token holders and the holders just hold it for a couple of years , how do you want to cash out the 161% Per year if there are only 5 % reserve inside the Envonic AG ? If I understand it well, you will cash out in Tokens like airdrop for the token holders . What do you mean by token holders in that case? Just people who were registrated and invested during the ICO, made invests and hold there tokens, or also people who buy the tokens at exchanges after the ico? I would like to know how the cash out will happen ?
Next question: Your company Name „ Envion AG „. There is a company based in Berlin with the same Name „Envion AG“ „AG“ in this case being the legal form / Aktiengesellschaft . But this Company has nothing to do with your project ( I did my research) http://www.envion-ag.de So how is it even possible that your Project can use their Name even though your Projekt is not an „Aktengesellschaft“ ?
Please answer,
Andonexx
I like this project and did my research but also I made simple calculation. If there is an maximum Token Issue Volume from 150,000,000 / 83 % are going to Token Holders / 5 % Reserve. Let’s say during the ICO all tokens (83 % ) sold out to token holders and the holders just hold it for a couple of years , how do you want to cash out the 161% Per year if there are only 5 % reserve inside the Envonic AG ? If I understand it well, you will cash out in Tokens like airdrop for the token holders . What do you mean by token holders in that case? Just people who were registrated and invested during the ICO, made invests and hold there tokens, or also people who buy the tokens at exchanges after the ico? I would like to know how the cash out will happen ?
Next question: Your company Name „ Envion AG „. There is a company based in Berlin with the same Name „Envion AG“ „AG“ in this case being the legal form / Aktiengesellschaft . But this Company has nothing to do with your project ( I did my research) http://www.envion-ag.de So how is it even possible that your Project can use their Name even though your Projekt is not an „Aktengesellschaft“ ?
Please answer,
Andonexx
November 13, 2017, 07:23:57 AM
@envion, thanks for fast replies.
Dragos Roua has some very interesting questions on his blog, could you pls. respond?
1) "shortly, Ethereum will move to Proof of Stake, so mining Ethereum will no longer be possible
2) Bitcoin mining infrastructure is already decades away in places like China or Iceland, where they plugged into solar plants, thermal water plants or river power plants, entire factories, not just pop-up units - that leaves very few profitable currencies that you can mine ..."
Source: https://steemit.com/blockchain/@dragosroua/envion-promises-a-self-expaning-mining-infrastructure-and-obviously-there-s-an-ico-involved
Dragos Roua has some very interesting questions on his blog, could you pls. respond?
1) "shortly, Ethereum will move to Proof of Stake, so mining Ethereum will no longer be possible
2) Bitcoin mining infrastructure is already decades away in places like China or Iceland, where they plugged into solar plants, thermal water plants or river power plants, entire factories, not just pop-up units - that leaves very few profitable currencies that you can mine ..."
Source: https://steemit.com/blockchain/@dragosroua/envion-promises-a-self-expaning-mining-infrastructure-and-obviously-there-s-an-ico-involved
From telegram group:
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We are future proof. We are multi coin mining capable. That means we are capable of mining all 607 and more upcoming crypto currencies that are minable over time.
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We support currencies based on these algorithms: Ethash, CryptoNight and Equihash, as well as the important Blake algorithm which enables the ability to dual-mine two coins
simultaneously.
simultaneously.
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We are capable of many alt coins. Ethereum has only a market cap of around 15% so a switch to Casper PoS would not affect our profitability.
November 13, 2017, 06:56:58 AM
@envion, thanks for fast replies.
Dragos Roua has some very interesting questions on his blog, could you pls. respond?
1) "shortly, Ethereum will move to Proof of Stake, so mining Ethereum will no longer be possible
2) Bitcoin mining infrastructure is already decades away in places like China or Iceland, where they plugged into solar plants, thermal water plants or river power plants, entire factories, not just pop-up units - that leaves very few profitable currencies that you can mine ..."
Source: https://steemit.com/blockchain/@dragosroua/envion-promises-a-self-expaning-mining-infrastructure-and-obviously-there-s-an-ico-involved
Dragos Roua has some very interesting questions on his blog, could you pls. respond?
1) "shortly, Ethereum will move to Proof of Stake, so mining Ethereum will no longer be possible
2) Bitcoin mining infrastructure is already decades away in places like China or Iceland, where they plugged into solar plants, thermal water plants or river power plants, entire factories, not just pop-up units - that leaves very few profitable currencies that you can mine ..."
Source: https://steemit.com/blockchain/@dragosroua/envion-promises-a-self-expaning-mining-infrastructure-and-obviously-there-s-an-ico-involved
November 13, 2017, 06:41:37 AM
imjustsayintho: thank you!
Crankautist: I think we should have changed the flag color more to green now or do you still see problems after acknowledging our explaination?
savetytdpbl, Macchianera: thank you!
Bridgebuilder:
2) The goal is to have at least one of the Big Four onboard before 1st Dec, yes. They are asked to make a first audit of the situation concerning some important things and mainly accompany envion so that the community not only gets updates on a regular basis but also safety by a trusted auditor.
Crankautist: I think we should have changed the flag color more to green now or do you still see problems after acknowledging our explaination?
savetytdpbl, Macchianera: thank you!
Bridgebuilder:
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I'm very interested to invest but need more information:
1) Is there a solid, comprehensive Risk Analysis available, beyond the few sentences in the whitepaper? I'd assume there are numerous know and unknown risk, be it financial, technical, operational, sustainability, scalability, regulatory etc. Is there a comprehensive overview if these, plus risk mitigation strategy?
2) The mentioned Audit by one of the Big Four, when will it come out? before 1st Dec.?
1) As risks and their mitigation strategies are kind of daily business those topics exist. Many of those were in discussion in our Telegram channel. We do not have more of an overview than in the whitepaper including all the risk mitigation strategies online but it is on the list for future updates of the whitepaper. Maybe also check the FAQ that will be online within the next days. We might put a link there as soon as there is a special risk paper.1) Is there a solid, comprehensive Risk Analysis available, beyond the few sentences in the whitepaper? I'd assume there are numerous know and unknown risk, be it financial, technical, operational, sustainability, scalability, regulatory etc. Is there a comprehensive overview if these, plus risk mitigation strategy?
2) The mentioned Audit by one of the Big Four, when will it come out? before 1st Dec.?
2) The goal is to have at least one of the Big Four onboard before 1st Dec, yes. They are asked to make a first audit of the situation concerning some important things and mainly accompany envion so that the community not only gets updates on a regular basis but also safety by a trusted auditor.
November 13, 2017, 06:27:15 AM
Reply to curefrankosflue:
Matthias Woestmann was entering the company in 2003 when it was worth about 10m USD. He then brought it to about 300m USD in 2007 and left the company in a total positive situation. The reason for his exit was that he was not sure whether the more conservative government that came instead of a more green government would extend the green roadmap. It turned out that it did and the company had a good further trend.
When the solar crisis hit the country some years later Matthias Woestmann who brought the company from a small one to a big player was not involved anymore. We think that based on that fact his communication concerning Solon is correct or at least understandable at this point.
More informatiion about Solon AG: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solon_SE
( more detailed but in German language: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solon_(Unternehmen) )
Again: We appreciate your positive approach of constructive review of our communication. Like we said: on the one hand we could say “hey, please let us do our job and not work on every detail of team history” but on the other hand we think that we are one of the few companies that has nothing to hide so that we want to encourage you to ask further by giving you a response to your detailed topic. Thank you for helping us in being more exact when it comes to the topic team as it looks like we should have spent a little more time there. But at the same time we are very happy that all the other topics have passed your critical eyes so that we can see that putting our concentration on those was worth it.
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And I took the time to read the whole 57 pages of the whitepaper as I find that the concept sounds good and there will be regions in the world where electricity is cheap and modular mining farms will be a viable concept.
Thank you for reading the Whitepaper and giving this positive summary. Quote
On page 53 of the whitepaper they describe the team:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthias-woestmann-b87922119/
"Matthias Woestmann: an investor in renewable energies since the early 2000s. Woestmann financed the Berlin-based solar module producer SOLON AG, which became one of the leading German module producers. His investment vehicle Quadrat Capital GmbH has also invested in technology and service startups in Berlin. He is an expert in energy markets not only in Germany, but across Europe and beyond."
On page 54 of the whitepaper it says:
"In 2015, Matthias Woestmann met an entrepreneur from the PV ecosystem, an experienced professional, co-founder of one of the largest solar companies in Germany and
an experienced investor in PV parks globally."
What they do not mention:
It is true that Matthias Woestmann co-financed a 300 million company, it was named Solon AG and went bankrupt in 2011/2012, was rebranded and finally sold off the the United Arab Emirates.
Follow the link to see the share chart:
https://www.wallstreet-online.de/aktien/solon-aktie#t:max||s:lines||a:abs||v:month||ads:null
Here's the Wikipedia article:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solon_SE
I don't know how much he had to do with the development of the company but I think it is information worth mentioning here, as they, understandably, don't mention it in their whitepaper.
We appreciate your positive approach of constructive review of our communication. On the one hand we could say “hey, please let us do our job and not work on every detail of team history” but on the other hand I think that we are one of the few companies that has nothing to hide so that we want to encourage you to ask further by giving you a response to your detailed topic:https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthias-woestmann-b87922119/
"Matthias Woestmann: an investor in renewable energies since the early 2000s. Woestmann financed the Berlin-based solar module producer SOLON AG, which became one of the leading German module producers. His investment vehicle Quadrat Capital GmbH has also invested in technology and service startups in Berlin. He is an expert in energy markets not only in Germany, but across Europe and beyond."
On page 54 of the whitepaper it says:
"In 2015, Matthias Woestmann met an entrepreneur from the PV ecosystem, an experienced professional, co-founder of one of the largest solar companies in Germany and
an experienced investor in PV parks globally."
What they do not mention:
It is true that Matthias Woestmann co-financed a 300 million company, it was named Solon AG and went bankrupt in 2011/2012, was rebranded and finally sold off the the United Arab Emirates.
Follow the link to see the share chart:
https://www.wallstreet-online.de/aktien/solon-aktie#t:max||s:lines||a:abs||v:month||ads:null
Here's the Wikipedia article:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solon_SE
I don't know how much he had to do with the development of the company but I think it is information worth mentioning here, as they, understandably, don't mention it in their whitepaper.
Matthias Woestmann was entering the company in 2003 when it was worth about 10m USD. He then brought it to about 300m USD in 2007 and left the company in a total positive situation. The reason for his exit was that he was not sure whether the more conservative government that came instead of a more green government would extend the green roadmap. It turned out that it did and the company had a good further trend.
When the solar crisis hit the country some years later Matthias Woestmann who brought the company from a small one to a big player was not involved anymore. We think that based on that fact his communication concerning Solon is correct or at least understandable at this point.
More informatiion about Solon AG: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solon_SE
( more detailed but in German language: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solon_(Unternehmen) )
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https://www.linkedin.com/in/krusenbaum/
"Felix Krusenbaum: An IT-professional with over 6 years of experience as a strategy
consultant at A.T. Kearney with a focus on digital, retail and eCommerce; 10 years of startup
and programming experience; second career as a serial founder of startup companies."
On the homepage is says:
Entrepreneur, strategy consultant, IT professional. More than 10 years industry & top management consulting at A.T. Kearney
According to his LinkedIn profile has he only been at A.T. Kearney for 5 years and 8 months
-> the information on the homepage is wrong, suggesting he has been with A.T. Kearney for more than 10 years. Why do they still claim this on the homepage?
We just spoke to Felix and his long version of his history was not good formulated by the texter who had to shorten it. It was meant that he has a sum of 10 years industry and management/consulting experience including A.T. Kearney. There will be an update of the website short text to correct it/make it more clear."Felix Krusenbaum: An IT-professional with over 6 years of experience as a strategy
consultant at A.T. Kearney with a focus on digital, retail and eCommerce; 10 years of startup
and programming experience; second career as a serial founder of startup companies."
On the homepage is says:
Entrepreneur, strategy consultant, IT professional. More than 10 years industry & top management consulting at A.T. Kearney
According to his LinkedIn profile has he only been at A.T. Kearney for 5 years and 8 months
-> the information on the homepage is wrong, suggesting he has been with A.T. Kearney for more than 10 years. Why do they still claim this on the homepage?
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More interesting is even Jonathan Koch:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/kochjonathan/
On the homepage it says:
"Jonathan Koch: Software engineer with 10 years of experience as a team leader at Rocket Internet & wooga."
According to his LinkedIn profile he was been with Rocket internet for 1 year and 1 month and with wooga for 1 year and 4 months, all in all 2 years and 5 months.
I can provide screenshots, if necessary.
The description in the whitepaper however says that he was for 10 years with these companies in the role of a team leader.
-> this information is CLEARLY wrong.
Jonathan has 10 years of experience as a Software engineer. That is correct. He also worked as a team leader at the mentioned companies. Before discussion whether the sentence is correct or mistakable ( which it is at least ) we will also tell the texter to change it a little bit so that it is clear. https://www.linkedin.com/in/kochjonathan/
On the homepage it says:
"Jonathan Koch: Software engineer with 10 years of experience as a team leader at Rocket Internet & wooga."
According to his LinkedIn profile he was been with Rocket internet for 1 year and 1 month and with wooga for 1 year and 4 months, all in all 2 years and 5 months.
I can provide screenshots, if necessary.
The description in the whitepaper however says that he was for 10 years with these companies in the role of a team leader.
-> this information is CLEARLY wrong.
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further team members are:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/seifshieshakly/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasperhellmann/
"Jasper Hellmann: a serial entrepreneur and founder of several eCommerce companies.
His expertise is in the field of social media marketing. Hellmann founded an eCommerce
company in 2016 and scaled it up to 30m euros in revenue within 12 months."
-> he has been with the company for 3 months now
https://www.linkedin.com/in/eminmahrt/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/kay-bucksch-10470198/
He has been with the company for 6 months according to his LinkedIn profile, since June 2017.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/nikita-fuchs-19286213/
He has been with the company since October 2017, that is 6 weeks now.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jan-ole-malchow-67368a107/
He also has been with the company since October 2017.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/moritz-strube/
Has been advisor since November 2017, that is 12 days for now.
envion did not give advice to the workers and team members what to set as start date for the company. That is why everyone has decided to set a date based on what he or she thinks fits. It looks like everyone tended to use a very short timespan to make sure there is less criticism. Because of the face that the company does not exist very long it is difficult to answer the question "since when are you working for envion?". This topic is on envions list but not with highes priority. At the end it counts what envion has to offer which is a lot more than bringing a good decision concerning the start date communication. Jasper Hellmann for example works for the project since the modest beginnings. https://www.linkedin.com/in/seifshieshakly/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasperhellmann/
"Jasper Hellmann: a serial entrepreneur and founder of several eCommerce companies.
His expertise is in the field of social media marketing. Hellmann founded an eCommerce
company in 2016 and scaled it up to 30m euros in revenue within 12 months."
-> he has been with the company for 3 months now
https://www.linkedin.com/in/eminmahrt/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/kay-bucksch-10470198/
He has been with the company for 6 months according to his LinkedIn profile, since June 2017.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/nikita-fuchs-19286213/
He has been with the company since October 2017, that is 6 weeks now.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jan-ole-malchow-67368a107/
He also has been with the company since October 2017.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/moritz-strube/
Has been advisor since November 2017, that is 12 days for now.
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In my opinion it seems strange that the information in the whitepaper doesn't always match the information on the homepage.
Furthermore, twice, there is clearly wrong information in the whitepaper/on the homepage concerning the experience of two of the team members, suggesting they have more experience than they state on their LinkedIn profiles.
I have made screeshots of all the profiles on LinkedIn just to be able to provide them in case should the information on the profiles be changed after this post.
It is not a shame not to have 10 or 20 years of experience, so what is the reason for them not to state what is correct?
Some of the team members furthermore have been with Envion only for a few months or even weeks.
All in all, this is what I have found. I wanted to share it with you guys in case anyone considers investing. Feel free to draw your own conclusions and do your own research.
I think most of your questions are answered. To repeat the most important thing: there is no rule giving from envion to its team concerning the start date so that everyone picks a conservative date to not provide a target because of the newly opened envion AG. Please understand what we do not have big marketing teams like big companies so that there are details from time to time not 100% perfect formulated and updates on whitepaper and website not within hours. We are a startup in a very fast developing industry and there are a lot of important things to concentrate these days. We do not want to say those things are not important but to find a priority we sometimes have to say that we focus on those things that bring forward the idea, the exiting investors and the people that already believe in us. Of course those marketing details are at the end also important for the idea to get more participation but all just have two hands and are recruiting new people almost every day.Furthermore, twice, there is clearly wrong information in the whitepaper/on the homepage concerning the experience of two of the team members, suggesting they have more experience than they state on their LinkedIn profiles.
I have made screeshots of all the profiles on LinkedIn just to be able to provide them in case should the information on the profiles be changed after this post.
It is not a shame not to have 10 or 20 years of experience, so what is the reason for them not to state what is correct?
Some of the team members furthermore have been with Envion only for a few months or even weeks.
All in all, this is what I have found. I wanted to share it with you guys in case anyone considers investing. Feel free to draw your own conclusions and do your own research.
Again: We appreciate your positive approach of constructive review of our communication. Like we said: on the one hand we could say “hey, please let us do our job and not work on every detail of team history” but on the other hand we think that we are one of the few companies that has nothing to hide so that we want to encourage you to ask further by giving you a response to your detailed topic. Thank you for helping us in being more exact when it comes to the topic team as it looks like we should have spent a little more time there. But at the same time we are very happy that all the other topics have passed your critical eyes so that we can see that putting our concentration on those was worth it.
November 13, 2017, 06:12:26 AM
I'm very interested to invest but need more information:
1) Is there a solid, comprehensive Risk Analysis available, beyond the few sentences in the whitepaper? I'd assume there are numerous know and unknown risk, be it financial, technical, operational, sustainability, scalability, regulatory etc. Is there a comprehensive overview if these, plus risk mitigation strategy?
2) The mentioned Audit by one of the Big Four, when will it come out? before 1st Dec.?
1) Is there a solid, comprehensive Risk Analysis available, beyond the few sentences in the whitepaper? I'd assume there are numerous know and unknown risk, be it financial, technical, operational, sustainability, scalability, regulatory etc. Is there a comprehensive overview if these, plus risk mitigation strategy?
2) The mentioned Audit by one of the Big Four, when will it come out? before 1st Dec.?
November 13, 2017, 03:38:25 AM
very interesting project ....
November 13, 2017, 01:10:53 AM
excellent whitepaper, transparent roadmap, well-designed graphics. In general, the project is very good for long-term investment.
November 12, 2017, 11:22:50 PM
November 12, 2017, 10:52:44 PM
great concept you have here, must investigate potential red flags raised by other members here.
November 12, 2017, 06:21:49 PM
Hey guys,
I just did a bit of research on the team.
And I took the time to read the whole 57 pages of the whitepaper as I find that the concept sounds good and there will be regions in the world where electricity is cheap and modular mining farms will be a viable concept.
However, I found more information on the team itself, which I'd like to share with you. I added the links to the LinkedIn profiles of the team in case anyone wants to verify them. The descriptions of the members below are either taken from the whitepaper or from the homepage:
On page 53 of the whitepaper they describe the team:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthias-woestmann-b87922119/
"Matthias Woestmann: an investor in renewable energies since the early 2000s. Woestmann financed the Berlin-based solar module producer SOLON AG, which became one of the leading German module producers. His investment vehicle Quadrat Capital GmbH has also invested in technology and service startups in Berlin. He is an expert in energy markets not only in Germany, but across Europe and beyond."
On page 54 of the whitepaper it says:
"In 2015, Matthias Woestmann met an entrepreneur from the PV ecosystem, an experienced professional, co-founder of one of the largest solar companies in Germany and
an experienced investor in PV parks globally."
What they do not mention:
It is true that Matthias Woestmann co-financed a 300 million company, it was named Solon AG and went bankrupt in 2011/2012, was rebranded and finally sold off the the United Arab Emirates.
Follow the link to see the share chart:
https://www.wallstreet-online.de/aktien/solon-aktie#t:max||s:lines||a:abs||v:month||ads:null
Here's the Wikipedia article:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solon_SE
I don't know how much he had to do with the development of the company but I think it is information worth mentioning here, as they, understandably, don't mention it in their whitepaper.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/krusenbaum/
"Felix Krusenbaum: An IT-professional with over 6 years of experience as a strategy
consultant at A.T. Kearney with a focus on digital, retail and eCommerce; 10 years of startup
and programming experience; second career as a serial founder of startup companies."
On the homepage is says:
Entrepreneur, strategy consultant, IT professional. More than 10 years industry & top management consulting at A.T. Kearney
According to his LinkedIn profile has he only been at A.T. Kearney for 5 years and 8 months
-> the information on the homepage is wrong, suggesting he has been with A.T. Kearney for more than 10 years. Why do they still claim this on the homepage?
More interesting is even Jonathan Koch:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/kochjonathan/
On the homepage it says:
"Jonathan Koch: Software engineer with 10 years of experience as a team leader at Rocket Internet & wooga."
According to his LinkedIn profile he was been with Rocket internet for 1 year and 1 month and with wooga for 1 year and 4 months, all in all 2 years and 5 months.
I can provide screenshots, if necessary.
The description in the whitepaper however says that he was for 10 years with these companies in the role of a team leader.
-> this information is CLEARLY wrong.
further team members are:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/seifshieshakly/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasperhellmann/
"Jasper Hellmann: a serial entrepreneur and founder of several eCommerce companies.
His expertise is in the field of social media marketing. Hellmann founded an eCommerce
company in 2016 and scaled it up to 30m euros in revenue within 12 months."
-> he has been with the company for 3 months now
https://www.linkedin.com/in/eminmahrt/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/kay-bucksch-10470198/
He has been with the company for 6 months according to his LinkedIn profile, since June 2017.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/nikita-fuchs-19286213/
He has been with the company since October 2017, that is 6 weeks now.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jan-ole-malchow-67368a107/
He also has been with the company since October 2017.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/moritz-strube/
Has been advisor since November 2017, that is 12 days for now.
In my opinion it seems strange that the information in the whitepaper doesn't always match the information on the homepage.
Furthermore, twice, there is clearly wrong information in the whitepaper/on the homepage concerning the experience of two of the team members, suggesting they have more experience than they state on their LinkedIn profiles.
I have made screeshots of all the profiles on LinkedIn just to be able to provide them in case should the information on the profiles be changed after this post.
It is not a shame not to have 10 or 20 years of experience, so what is the reason for them not to state what is correct?
Some of the team members furthermore have been with Envion only for a few months or even weeks.
All in all, this is what I have found. I wanted to share it with you guys in case anyone considers investing. Feel free to draw your own conclusions and do your own research.
Cheers
I just did a bit of research on the team.
And I took the time to read the whole 57 pages of the whitepaper as I find that the concept sounds good and there will be regions in the world where electricity is cheap and modular mining farms will be a viable concept.
However, I found more information on the team itself, which I'd like to share with you. I added the links to the LinkedIn profiles of the team in case anyone wants to verify them. The descriptions of the members below are either taken from the whitepaper or from the homepage:
On page 53 of the whitepaper they describe the team:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthias-woestmann-b87922119/
"Matthias Woestmann: an investor in renewable energies since the early 2000s. Woestmann financed the Berlin-based solar module producer SOLON AG, which became one of the leading German module producers. His investment vehicle Quadrat Capital GmbH has also invested in technology and service startups in Berlin. He is an expert in energy markets not only in Germany, but across Europe and beyond."
On page 54 of the whitepaper it says:
"In 2015, Matthias Woestmann met an entrepreneur from the PV ecosystem, an experienced professional, co-founder of one of the largest solar companies in Germany and
an experienced investor in PV parks globally."
What they do not mention:
It is true that Matthias Woestmann co-financed a 300 million company, it was named Solon AG and went bankrupt in 2011/2012, was rebranded and finally sold off the the United Arab Emirates.
Follow the link to see the share chart:
https://www.wallstreet-online.de/aktien/solon-aktie#t:max||s:lines||a:abs||v:month||ads:null
Here's the Wikipedia article:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solon_SE
I don't know how much he had to do with the development of the company but I think it is information worth mentioning here, as they, understandably, don't mention it in their whitepaper.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/krusenbaum/
"Felix Krusenbaum: An IT-professional with over 6 years of experience as a strategy
consultant at A.T. Kearney with a focus on digital, retail and eCommerce; 10 years of startup
and programming experience; second career as a serial founder of startup companies."
On the homepage is says:
Entrepreneur, strategy consultant, IT professional. More than 10 years industry & top management consulting at A.T. Kearney
According to his LinkedIn profile has he only been at A.T. Kearney for 5 years and 8 months
-> the information on the homepage is wrong, suggesting he has been with A.T. Kearney for more than 10 years. Why do they still claim this on the homepage?
More interesting is even Jonathan Koch:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/kochjonathan/
On the homepage it says:
"Jonathan Koch: Software engineer with 10 years of experience as a team leader at Rocket Internet & wooga."
According to his LinkedIn profile he was been with Rocket internet for 1 year and 1 month and with wooga for 1 year and 4 months, all in all 2 years and 5 months.
I can provide screenshots, if necessary.
The description in the whitepaper however says that he was for 10 years with these companies in the role of a team leader.
-> this information is CLEARLY wrong.
further team members are:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/seifshieshakly/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasperhellmann/
"Jasper Hellmann: a serial entrepreneur and founder of several eCommerce companies.
His expertise is in the field of social media marketing. Hellmann founded an eCommerce
company in 2016 and scaled it up to 30m euros in revenue within 12 months."
-> he has been with the company for 3 months now
https://www.linkedin.com/in/eminmahrt/
https://www.linkedin.com/in/kay-bucksch-10470198/
He has been with the company for 6 months according to his LinkedIn profile, since June 2017.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/nikita-fuchs-19286213/
He has been with the company since October 2017, that is 6 weeks now.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jan-ole-malchow-67368a107/
He also has been with the company since October 2017.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/moritz-strube/
Has been advisor since November 2017, that is 12 days for now.
In my opinion it seems strange that the information in the whitepaper doesn't always match the information on the homepage.
Furthermore, twice, there is clearly wrong information in the whitepaper/on the homepage concerning the experience of two of the team members, suggesting they have more experience than they state on their LinkedIn profiles.
I have made screeshots of all the profiles on LinkedIn just to be able to provide them in case should the information on the profiles be changed after this post.
It is not a shame not to have 10 or 20 years of experience, so what is the reason for them not to state what is correct?
Some of the team members furthermore have been with Envion only for a few months or even weeks.
All in all, this is what I have found. I wanted to share it with you guys in case anyone considers investing. Feel free to draw your own conclusions and do your own research.
Cheers
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