Fair enough, I may remember wrong. Doesnt change the fact that promising a shipping date now thats only a few days after they expect to receive their wafers (and what i assume will be their very first silicon), is unlikely to pan out. Not impossible, but unlikely. Even if you are cocky enough to assume you dont need a respin, then you typically would still give yourself at the very least a few weeks for testing, validation and characterization of your first silicon before you start mass producing. Especially if you already have a reputation for widely missing deadlines and specs.
TL;DR Unless BFL already received prototypes from a hot lot last year and they kept it quiet, I dont believe they will ship anything this month, and its even rather plausible they will need several more months if their chips dont pan out as expected.
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As the Avalon has a working ASIC now, the clock is ticking for BFL. AFAIK they have now working silicon right now and if the current waver run fail, we will see another 12++ week shift.
It boggles the mind to think BFL promised initially to ship in august (was it?) while it appears that even to date they still dont have a single working prototype. Im basing that on the fact we have not seen one and Josh's statements regarding yields and power consumption indicate to me they have no real clue about those numbers other than what simulations provide.
If the above is correct, then all sorts of things could still go wrong and I would put the chances of BFL shipping this month at no more than 50/50 and the chances of them shipping and hitting their specs at even less.
From Josh.
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/837-sunday-27-jan-2013-asic-update-discussion-thread-12.html#post12626
Looks like the chips won't be ready on the 4th then.
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No, I was going to leave tomorrow but we are rearranging the schedule a bit. I should have an updated one later this weekend or Monday at the latest. Me sitting around in a hotel waiting on the fab is probably not the best use of my time, so we are going to figure out where the best use of my ass for sitting on desks is going to be.
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/837-sunday-27-jan-2013-asic-update-discussion-thread-12.html#post12626
Looks like the chips won't be ready on the 4th then.
As the Avalon has a working ASIC now, the clock is ticking for BFL. AFAIK they have now working silicon right now and if the current waver run fail, we will see another 12++ week shift.
If BFL shift again, I expect they will see a wave of refund requests rolling in. The interesting question is, will BFL follow the bASIC road? Really bad, if there will be an Avalon monopoly in the future.
If BFL shift again, I expect they will see a wave of refund requests rolling in. The interesting question is, will BFL follow the bASIC road? Really bad, if there will be an Avalon monopoly in the future.
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Man I hope they hurry up dude. I'm so over waiting for my order from BFL it ain't even funny!
I really hope there's no more delays and these units get shipped via a fairly fast method (since they're coming from China) or the Avalon units will have increased difficulty to the extent that it's going to be a lot harder to recoup the unit costs. Honestly, I'm pretty disappointed that BFL wasn't first to ship, I thought for sure you guys were going to ship first.
Yeah that is pretty sad.
3 months head-start on AVALON + 10 times customer pre order funds (at least)...and still waiting.
I really hope there's no more delays and these units get shipped via a fairly fast method (since they're coming from China) or the Avalon units will have increased difficulty to the extent that it's going to be a lot harder to recoup the unit costs.
BFL units are being assembled in and shipped from the US.
Kansas City, Missouri
http://www.butterflylabs.com/contact/
I really hope there's no more delays and these units get shipped via a fairly fast method (since they're coming from China) or the Avalon units will have increased difficulty to the extent that it's going to be a lot harder to recoup the unit costs.
BFL units are being assembled in and shipped from the US.
I really hope there's no more delays and these units get shipped via a fairly fast method (since they're coming from China) or the Avalon units will have increased difficulty to the extent that it's going to be a lot harder to recoup the unit costs. Honestly, I'm pretty disappointed that BFL wasn't first to ship, I thought for sure you guys were going to ship first.
they've gone from bumping from "By end of next month at the latest" to "By end of next week at the latest".
I'm betting they use the "next week" line to transition into "next month".
Shoot, you saw through their plans!I'm betting they use the "next week" line to transition into "next month".
time to kill the thread
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No, it isn't time to kill the thread. I'll admit I've made some Box of Fans Labs jokes, but now that Avalon has shipped I'm pulling for Butterfly to do so as well.
The recent Butterfly updates where they start talking about numbers of wafers seem convincing to me that this is probably getting done (confidence interval of 75%).
Why I'm pulling for them to ship though isn't the $0 I have preordered in ASIC equiptment. It is because of how fucking exciting the prospect of two massive jumps in technology over the course of roughly a month is. I don't know about how many other people, but jumping from general purpose GPU/FPGA hardware to coarse small batch ASIC hardware, to ASICs on a node size that Intel and AMD were shipping not that long ago is exciting.
Avalon's second patch preorder is probably going to sell out fast, but if Butterfly get get units in people's hands by March 1st the mining harware market is going to become an interesting slugfest through at least this summer.
they've gone from bumping from "By end of next month at the latest" to "By end of next week at the latest".
I'm betting they use the "next week" line to transition into "next month".
I'm betting they use the "next week" line to transition into "next month".
For those of you that do not frequent the BFL Forums -- https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/692-bfl-asic-status.html#post12237
Happy for the update...
And...they slipped yet again.Happy for the update...
What the hell kind of fab are they dealing with that can't seem to give BFL firm dates for anything ever? Fabs are run like precision clockwork, not kindergarten field trips.
For those of you that do not frequent the BFL Forums -- https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/692-bfl-asic-status.html#post12237
Happy for the update...
Interesting update. I am still doubtful of BFL not delaying through. After you roll 1 ten times, you start realizing the dice is loaded Quote
I will most likely be headed to the fab at the end of the week to be prepared to pick up the chips next week. The broker says no later than the 8th on the chips, but most likely earlier. Even if the chips roll off the line on the 8th, it doesn't affect the timeline much. Here is the current projected timeline:
Leave for the fab ~ Feb 1st or 2nd
Acquire 6 wafers earliest Feb 4th - Latest Feb 8th
Transport wafers same day to bumping facility
2 days in bumping facility
Transport to substrate and packaging
1 - 2 days for substrate and packaging
Transport to assembly house
. 24 hours at assembly house
~1 day for chip verification/testing
Transport to Kansas City
Bulk assembly / send out demo units
Ship bulk units
Our timeline is still on target for the week of the 10th, probably towards the later part of the week. If the worst case scenario in every step comes to pass, we are looking at starting shipping around Monday the 18th. Best case scenario we will start shipping around Wednesday the 13th or Thursday the 14th. This is, of course, subject to change, but I will keep everyone updated when/if there are any changes.
Leave for the fab ~ Feb 1st or 2nd
Acquire 6 wafers earliest Feb 4th - Latest Feb 8th
Transport wafers same day to bumping facility
2 days in bumping facility
Transport to substrate and packaging
1 - 2 days for substrate and packaging
Transport to assembly house
. 24 hours at assembly house
~1 day for chip verification/testing
Transport to Kansas City
Bulk assembly / send out demo units
Ship bulk units
Our timeline is still on target for the week of the 10th, probably towards the later part of the week. If the worst case scenario in every step comes to pass, we are looking at starting shipping around Monday the 18th. Best case scenario we will start shipping around Wednesday the 13th or Thursday the 14th. This is, of course, subject to change, but I will keep everyone updated when/if there are any changes.
Happy for the update...
For those of you that do not frequent the BFL Forums -- https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/692-bfl-asic-status.html#post12237
Happy for the update...
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I will most likely be headed to the fab at the end of the week to be prepared to pick up the chips next week. The broker says no later than the 8th on the chips, but most likely earlier. Even if the chips roll off the line on the 8th, it doesn't affect the timeline much. Here is the current projected timeline:
Leave for the fab ~ Feb 1st or 2nd
Acquire 6 wafers earliest Feb 4th - Latest Feb 8th
Transport wafers same day to bumping facility
2 days in bumping facility
Transport to substrate and packaging
1 - 2 days for substrate and packaging
Transport to assembly house
< 24 hours at assembly house
~1 day for chip verification/testing
Transport to Kansas City
Bulk assembly / send out demo units
Ship bulk units
Our timeline is still on target for the week of the 10th, probably towards the later part of the week. If the worst case scenario in every step comes to pass, we are looking at starting shipping around Monday the 18th. Best case scenario we will start shipping around Wednesday the 13th or Thursday the 14th. This is, of course, subject to change, but I will keep everyone updated when/if there are any changes.
Leave for the fab ~ Feb 1st or 2nd
Acquire 6 wafers earliest Feb 4th - Latest Feb 8th
Transport wafers same day to bumping facility
2 days in bumping facility
Transport to substrate and packaging
1 - 2 days for substrate and packaging
Transport to assembly house
< 24 hours at assembly house
~1 day for chip verification/testing
Transport to Kansas City
Bulk assembly / send out demo units
Ship bulk units
Our timeline is still on target for the week of the 10th, probably towards the later part of the week. If the worst case scenario in every step comes to pass, we are looking at starting shipping around Monday the 18th. Best case scenario we will start shipping around Wednesday the 13th or Thursday the 14th. This is, of course, subject to change, but I will keep everyone updated when/if there are any changes.
Happy for the update...
ooooh, it's all clean in here!
Forums are going to be down for a bit. I'm bringing the box down to install more physical ram and work on a couple other things. Shouldn't be more than an hour (hopefully much less than that)
I was rebooting the box the forums run on to add some memory to speed things up. It took a few minutes longer than I anticipated, sorry about that. Jeez, down for ten minutes and people think we are packing up shop, really? Even when the website itself was still up?
I would not be surprised if they were being DDOS'd.
Please stop spreading FUD.
I would not be surprised if they were being DDOS'd.
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