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copper member
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Fuck my life right...

If we dont stop soon, my L3+ is in the reds not even 12 months after buying lol

Cant imagine how D3 owners must feel right now

Thats not bad actually haha, asics are eventual doorstops and technology speeds faster and faster.  Its not if they will be obsolete its only when.


always keep the 'box' they work better as doorstops if you leave them in the cardboard box....(they slide easier)

(hey...don't throw stuff at me in bitcointalk!)

legendary
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Fuck my life right...

If we dont stop soon, my L3+ is in the reds not even 12 months after buying lol

Cant imagine how D3 owners must feel right now

Thats not bad actually haha, asics are eventual doorstops and technology speeds faster and faster.  Its not if they will be obsolete its only when.
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Additional (now 3/3/18) or What a difference a day makes...(slowly it is coming back...LTC price)

L3 price per day $1.53 now!  @ 1250 watts and 10c kWh and at $133.50 LTC

24 hours   0.01866718 LTC   2.49 USD   0.96 USD   1.53 USD
7 days   0.13067024 LTC   17.44 USD   6.72 USD   10.72 USD
30 days   0.56001533 LTC   74.76 USD   28.80 USD   45.96 USD

L3+ price per day now! @ $3.06  @ 1250 watts and 10c kWh and at $133.50 LTC

24 hours   0.03733436 LTC   4.98 USD   1.92 USD   3.06 USD
7 days   0.26134049 LTC   34.89 USD   13.44 USD   21.45 USD
30 days   1.12003066 LTC   149.52 USD   57.60 USD   91.92 USD

KNC Titan 300mh is at -$.01c per day @ 1250 watts and 10c kWh and at $133.50 LTC

24 hours   0.02240061 LTC   2.99 USD   3.00 USD   -0.01 USD
7 days   0.15680429 LTC   20.93 USD   21.00 USD   -0.07 USD
30 days   0.67201840 LTC   89.71 USD   90.00 USD   -0.29 USD


So we still need much more to compete against the difficulty rise below:

Apr 03 2018    6,802,626    1.67%    194,780 GH/s

But a lot of Bitmain L3+'s have yet to hit but all this is MUCH more encouraging than yesterday! Smiley



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Something tells me I should be happy I let my order expire.

with my tax and equip deduction issues...etc (previous posts) and coupons per unit

I simply need to get a bit less than $250 usd at 10c kWh per UNIT ...over electric (6 L3+ units ordered last week arriving this week) (yea! 2c reduction on data hall electric)
...a modest win...

so currently at (LTC is pumping) of $122 for LTC the price below for a L3+ (deduct 1/2 for those following on this L3 thread) it comes out to below:

Using again www.litecoinpool.org/calc


L3 at 250mh at 400w at 10c per kWh and $122 LTC

24 hours   0.01897900 LTC   2.32 USD   0.96 USD   1.36 USD
7 days   0.13285302 LTC   16.21 USD   6.72 USD   9.49 USD
30 days   0.56937008 LTC   69.46 USD   28.80 USD   40.66 USD



L3+ (6 I ordered last week) at 500mh at 800w at 10c kWh and $122 LTC

24 hours   0.03795801 LTC   4.63 USD   1.92 USD   2.71 USD
7 days   0.26570604 LTC   32.42 USD   13.44 USD   18.98 USD
30 days   1.13874016 LTC   138.93 USD   57.60 USD   81.33 USD


So my SIX units I need to make for the L3+ (or 1/2 for an L3 to be on topic here) MIGHT be do'able to break even in say....what?

5 months with say the difficulty rise for LTC and perhaps IF LTC went to $150 per LTC to also help, I MIGHT make enough to break even?

Again, dumping 'dubious' alts for this equipment...so again my odds are:

1) sideways on alts or some hedge for this equip before maybe alts dump..thus sideways...no issues its a wash alts=6 bitmain units (hedge)

2) price dumps (above don't matter ..doomed on both the alts spent (if kept) and the miners got with the then 'dubious alts' where prices would have dumped to. Welcome to FML mode.

3) the price pumps on BTC and LTC and I look like a 'genius' getting equipment

again, not a good sign, most praying is going towards sideways now...(yea verily me of little faith)

(how far I've fallen since Dec 2017...now I root for 'ho-hum' vs 'moon' ....alas my ego is crushed)


but anyway, likely a good move on your part 'letting units expire' myself...still have a shot at oranges for oranges! (yech....) Sad




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Yes I am a pirate, 300 years too late!
Something tells me I should be happy I let my order expire.
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ah...the difference a few days make...

This is at $115 LTC and 12c kWh electric at my end (starting April 1st)

using www.litecoinpool.org/calc

L3 250mh 400watts @ 12c kWh.

$1.13 per day

24 hours   0.01984948 LTC   2.28 USD   1.15 USD   1.13 USD
7 days   0.13894638 LTC   15.98 USD   8.06 USD   7.91 USD
30 days   0.59548447 LTC   68.48 USD   34.56 USD   33.92 USD

L3+ 500mh 800watts @ 12c kWh.

$2.26 per day

24 hours   0.03969896 LTC   4.57 USD   2.30 USD   2.26 USD
7 days   0.27789275 LTC   31.96 USD   16.13 USD   15.83 USD
30 days   1.19096895 LTC   136.96 USD   69.12 USD   67.84 USD

KNC 300mh  1250 watts @ 12c kWh.

-$0.86 per day

24 hours   0.02381938 LTC   2.74 USD   3.60 USD   -0.86 USD
7 days   0.16673565 LTC   19.17 USD   25.20 USD   -6.03 USD
30 days   0.71458137 LTC   82.18 USD   108.00 USD   -25.82 USD

At this rate, the NEXT unit to fall of the network in any LARGE numbers, would be the Bitmain L3, IMHO.

Not looking at all great. FML Sad



Just an update ..the above was 3/30/18...so today is 4/2/18 and compare...now that Bitmain units are hitting the world in MASS ...

Using this calculator (same as above quote) at www.litecoinpool.org/calc


Bitmain L3 makes $1.07 per day!

Bitmain L3 at 250mh and 400w and 12c kWh and the price of LTC at $117 even.

24 hours   0.01897900 LTC   2.22 USD   1.15 USD   1.07 USD
7 days   0.13285302 LTC   15.54 USD   8.06 USD   7.48 USD
30 days   0.56937008 LTC   66.62 USD   34.56 USD   32.06 USD

Bitmain L3_ makes $2.14 per day!

Bitmain L3+ at 500mh and 800w and 12c kWh and price of LTC at $117 even.

24 hours   0.03795801 LTC   4.44 USD   2.30 USD   2.14 USD
7 days   0.26570604 LTC   31.09 USD   16.13 USD   14.96 USD
30 days   1.13874016 LTC   133.23 USD   69.12 USD   64.11 USD

KNC Titan 300mh makes (negative) -$0.94c per day!

KNC Titan 300mh at 1250w and 12c kWh and the price of LTC at $117 even.

24 hours   0.02277480 LTC   2.66 USD   3.60 USD   -0.94 USD
7 days   0.15942362 LTC   18.65 USD   25.20 USD   -6.55 USD
30 days   0.68324410 LTC   79.94 USD   108.00 USD   -28.06 USD

Anyway, as you can see from above....it is NOT too bad yet..but we need a much bigger price pump for this to work.

(Insane, price pump for KNC Titan to work)

Also as I look at the current difficulty (see link below) for LTC that I guess we could be in worse trouble

https://bitcoinwisdom.com/litecoin/difficulty

Anyway, how the works is a riding at this date in time. Smiley










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Fuck my life right...

If we dont stop soon, my L3+ is in the reds not even 12 months after buying lol

Cant imagine how D3 owners must feel right now

have 2 d3's did not do well (at 10c kwh over winter)

on the other hand had an x11 baikal 300mh from last may...so when people ask I say I broke even with electric on x11 mining

(really it was that 300mh cube...but hey it is true...broke even with ALL x11 miners)

it is all about protecting ego....

AS to the L3+ sale....with coupons..and with equip depreciation and more or less paying anyway 50% to IRS on mining etc

I need a bit less than 250 usd after electric to break even on 6...that is $250 each after electric to be clear on these...had some alts that if it all goes to crap won't matter anyway

so did it as a hedge in case

thus price sideways...big whoop I sell LISK for equip and mine LTC and it is a wash..oranges to oranges

if it dumps...won't matter any of the hedge above

if it goes up I look like a genius (that sure an't looking likely....I'm praying now for just plain old sideways price now...)

saw this movie before in 2015 it sucked...

anyway...chump or champ....it is always one or the other with crypto drama!

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Fuck my life right...

If we dont stop soon, my L3+ is in the reds not even 12 months after buying lol

Cant imagine how D3 owners must feel right now
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ah...the difference a few days make...

This is at $115 LTC and 12c kWh electric at my end (starting April 1st)

using www.litecoinpool.org/calc

L3 250mh 400watts @ 12c kWh.

$1.13 per day

24 hours   0.01984948 LTC   2.28 USD   1.15 USD   1.13 USD
7 days   0.13894638 LTC   15.98 USD   8.06 USD   7.91 USD
30 days   0.59548447 LTC   68.48 USD   34.56 USD   33.92 USD

L3+ 500mh 800watts @ 12c kWh.

$2.26 per day

24 hours   0.03969896 LTC   4.57 USD   2.30 USD   2.26 USD
7 days   0.27789275 LTC   31.96 USD   16.13 USD   15.83 USD
30 days   1.19096895 LTC   136.96 USD   69.12 USD   67.84 USD

KNC 300mh  1250 watts @ 12c kWh.

-$0.86 per day

24 hours   0.02381938 LTC   2.74 USD   3.60 USD   -0.86 USD
7 days   0.16673565 LTC   19.17 USD   25.20 USD   -6.03 USD
30 days   0.71458137 LTC   82.18 USD   108.00 USD   -25.82 USD

At this rate, the NEXT unit to fall of the network in any LARGE numbers, would be the Bitmain L3, IMHO.

Not looking at all great. FML Sad


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how long is the ROI on them , atm?


There are calculators for that... Simple google search would have given you a good guess.

Calculate around 200+ days given the low LTC price, the increasing diff and your electricity costs


Mine are doing a whopping 2.50 profit a day per machine (and mine are overclocked)

Using the free pool that pays at 101% www.litecoinpool.org/calc calculator I get the following

At next months summer rate (April 2018) starting soon....of 12c kWh and $142 LTC price and 400w and 250mh an L3 gets below:

$1.79 per day for an L3.

24 hours   0.02073776 LTC   2.94 USD   1.15 USD   1.79 USD
7 days   0.14516432 LTC   20.61 USD   8.06 USD   12.55 USD
30 days   0.62213280 LTC   88.34 USD   34.56 USD   53.78 USD

$3.59 per day for an L3+.

At 12c kWh and 800w and 500mh and $142 LTC price an  L3+ gets below:

24 hours   0.04147552 LTC   5.89 USD   2.30 USD   3.59 USD
7 days   0.29032864 LTC   41.23 USD   16.13 USD   25.10 USD
30 days   1.24426560 LTC   176.69 USD   69.12 USD   107.57 USD

At 12c kWh and 1250w and 300mh and $142 LTC price a KNC Titan gets below:

-$0.07 per day for a 300mh KNC Titan (Sob!)

24 hours   0.02488531 LTC   3.53 USD   3.60 USD   -0.07 USD
7 days   0.17419718 LTC   24.74 USD   25.20 USD   -0.46 USD
30 days   0.74655936 LTC   106.01 USD   108.00 USD   -1.99 USD

So man, do we need a pump in price for all the above reasons. I expect another slash in price for the L3+ on the Bitmain site,

but being Bitmain (let them eat cake!) I could be wrong.

Damn, ugly out there in the Universe of Scrypt-Pow...applied to LTC anyway...




Yeah! L3+ mines only 3.59 LTC per day and profit falls very quickly. Don't know what's up, maybe too many mining rigs are mining so the difficulty went to the moon, but at such rate soon we'll mine for electricity only.
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very interesting
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how long is the ROI on them , atm?


There are calculators for that... Simple google search would have given you a good guess.

Calculate around 200+ days given the low LTC price, the increasing diff and your electricity costs


Mine are doing a whopping 2.50 profit a day per machine (and mine are overclocked)

Using the free pool that pays at 101% www.litecoinpool.org/calc calculator I get the following

At next months summer rate (April 2018) starting soon....of 12c kWh and $142 LTC price and 400w and 250mh an L3 gets below:

$1.79 per day for an L3.

24 hours   0.02073776 LTC   2.94 USD   1.15 USD   1.79 USD
7 days   0.14516432 LTC   20.61 USD   8.06 USD   12.55 USD
30 days   0.62213280 LTC   88.34 USD   34.56 USD   53.78 USD

$3.59 per day for an L3+.

At 12c kWh and 800w and 500mh and $142 LTC price an  L3+ gets below:

24 hours   0.04147552 LTC   5.89 USD   2.30 USD   3.59 USD
7 days   0.29032864 LTC   41.23 USD   16.13 USD   25.10 USD
30 days   1.24426560 LTC   176.69 USD   69.12 USD   107.57 USD

At 12c kWh and 1250w and 300mh and $142 LTC price a KNC Titan gets below:

-$0.07 per day for a 300mh KNC Titan (Sob!)

24 hours   0.02488531 LTC   3.53 USD   3.60 USD   -0.07 USD
7 days   0.17419718 LTC   24.74 USD   25.20 USD   -0.46 USD
30 days   0.74655936 LTC   106.01 USD   108.00 USD   -1.99 USD

So man, do we need a pump in price for all the above reasons. I expect another slash in price for the L3+ on the Bitmain site,

but being Bitmain (let them eat cake!) I could be wrong.

Damn, ugly out there in the Universe of Scrypt-Pow...applied to LTC anyway...


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how long is the ROI on them , atm?


There are calculators for that... Simple google search would have given you a good guess.

Calculate around 200+ days given the low LTC price, the increasing diff and your electricity costs


Mine are doing a whopping 2.50 profit a day per machine (and mine are overclocked)
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how long is the ROI on them , atm?
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I just received my two L3+'s from Bitmain and the first thing I noticed that on both units the last board are loose. I can move them with my fingers. Is this normal. If this not normal how do I fix this?

Thanks!!!!  

Your lucky, I had something fall out of mine!

So before I even start it, I have to send back a board!lol

Is it safe to start up with a wobbly board?
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I just received my two L3+'s from Bitmain and the first thing I noticed that on both units the last board are loose. I can move them with my fingers. Is this normal. If this not normal how do I fix this?

Thanks!!!!  

Your lucky, I had something fall out of mine!

So before I even start it, I have to send back a board!lol
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I just received my two L3+'s from Bitmain and the first thing I noticed that on both units the last board are loose. I can move them with my fingers. Is this normal. If this not normal how do I fix this?

Thanks!!!! 
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Below is what I get now with an L3 at 400 watts at 250mh at 12c kwh electric.

$11.20 with electricity paid, per day.

24 hours   0.04009836 LTC   12.35 USD   1.15 USD   11.20 USD
7 days   0.28068853 LTC   86.45 USD   8.06 USD   78.39 USD
30 days   1.20295085 LTC   370.51 USD   34.56 USD   335.95 USD


Below is what I get now with a KNC Titan 300mh miner at 1,250 watts and 12c kwh electric.

$11.22 with electric per day.

24 hours   0.04811803 LTC   14.82 USD   3.60 USD   11.22 USD
7 days   0.33682624 LTC   103.74 USD   25.20 USD   78.54 USD
30 days   1.44354103 LTC   444.61 USD   108.00 USD   336.61 USD

LOL. What the Hell.

Of course the above means that an L3+ is getting $22.44 per day after electric at 12c kwh.

Who'd a thunk this, about 2 months ago?

Anyway, for your consideration. The calc used was from www.litecoinpool.org/calc

and does include the fact it is 101% payout free LTC pool.

I mine on Prohashing, until recently got more on PH so switched, but with LTC pump this may not

be the case anymore.

Anyway, was messing around with the litecoinpool calc, in that, I have both machines...and thought

this was funny.


Gosh this price drop in scrypt coins could not have come at a worst time for the buyers of the L3. Hopefully coin prices go up soon or there are going to be a lot of people dumping these on the market. There is already a bunch showing up on Ebay. I am praying things get better.


and for the above guy who posted Sept 5th, 2017.....see all is well now Smiley






Amazing to see that you still got your KNC Cheesy

These fuckers are also rock solid huh?  I don't worry much. Price is going to go up until Bitcoin will drop. And since everyone expects Bitcoin to hit 25k it will hit 25k...




NOTE: (off-topic on the EVIL of KNC 300mh Titan scrypt-pow miners (well-known fact...the Vatican is Investigating!) SKIP, if you are into PURE Bitmain EVIL only!
(I understand..Bitmain Evil is a full load of Evilness on itself, probably plenty!)





they are still 'evil as f*ck* and again, I have 2 yet in the basement, the rest in data hall, but anyway, you can't make direct eye contact...being evil and all, they

can sense fear and immediately will try to 'brick themselves' (I'm not kidding, on 4 occasions in last 3 years since I started getting them, the first was Nov 8th, 2014

they have fried a power plug, burn out,  in front of me in spite...( managed to fix them all) but I mean really,

seems too coincidental...they hate my ass...all that 24/7 in the hamster wheel, etc

Every 6 months now (with the Maxumark brackets replacing the big ass ugly heatsink and the 8 individual dc/dc heatsinks and the hi speed fan) you have to clean

and repaste...all but 4 have been done at least 2x most 3x....damn they get dirty...the airflow improvement knocked the heat down about 12c degrees

so some of the mods, with Gen Tarkin Titan firmware mods..catching dead fans etc and temp sensors have saved them cubes countless times...

The REAL way we have kept them going, (all but a 5 cube unit in basement still on 2 corsairs..burning out the occasional plug every 1/2 year or so)

Is we have mod'ed server PSU's with the proper surge protection and usual PSU guts ...in the server backplates...thus 2 platinum 1280 units back in the day

2,560 watts at 96% efficiency, dual mod'd as 1 unit with 5 leads..works slick...and better then a breakout attach to such server PSU's ..in that backplate
they slide into has all the regular PSU safeguards and surge protection etc...slick!

when cheap to get new (@ $300 bucks with backplate) and using 15 AWG wire mods from such as leads, making leads, to get around these issues,  thus NO Y adapters needed...(though they slowly "brown out" after a bit more than a year say...but you can watch for browning and catch and crimp replace if that is the case)

much more stable, much cooler, to the touch in the summer, etc

IF this keeps up ALL my units will have eventually burnt out the plastic plugs in the cubes of all my Titans (I mean they were supposed to last 90 days max according

to the KNC warranty and even that was changed from 30 days on a revolt of customers...real time figure 9 months max?)

So each time that happens, I do the scrape all the plastic off the leads, use a knc Y adapter (got a mess new for this purpose back in the day they were dumped on

eBay etc) put the 1 end in the cube direct and slide it on the pins..MAKING SURE THE TAB ON THE PSU CABLE IS UP LIKE IT IS ON THE PLUG (or bye, bye, cube)

Sorry, lightfoot...(repair's Titans) I know you hate this....I know of at least on all my Titans ....9 I'd say, we've done this w/o any issues....knock, wood

so yeah a LOT of these titans are only working from Litghtfoot fixes (8 or so cubes......I love the 1 BTC I sent him Dec or so of 2016 for fixes...groan!)

the Gen Tarkin software the checks for fans being off, too much temp and other cool features...the extensive cube bracket dc/dc heatsink and hi-speed fan mods

NEW...toss out the KNC ones, yech, repaste every 6 months ago (mainly needs cleaning also they get dirty, q-tip and alcohol) etc

True evil Titan needs to have minion's like me to bend to their every whim...but hey....last month it was 5 bucks a day  or some such a Titan ..now it is like $15 bucks a Titan

a day,  yet another price save vs difficulty to save the Titans for yet a few more months! Evil Triumphs!


I swear it is downright Lord of the Rings ...Sauron! Mordor!


It all makes sense now....me below Sad










Ack!






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Below is what I get now with an L3 at 400 watts at 250mh at 12c kwh electric.

$11.20 with electricity paid, per day.

24 hours   0.04009836 LTC   12.35 USD   1.15 USD   11.20 USD
7 days   0.28068853 LTC   86.45 USD   8.06 USD   78.39 USD
30 days   1.20295085 LTC   370.51 USD   34.56 USD   335.95 USD


Below is what I get now with a KNC Titan 300mh miner at 1,250 watts and 12c kwh electric.

$11.22 with electric per day.

24 hours   0.04811803 LTC   14.82 USD   3.60 USD   11.22 USD
7 days   0.33682624 LTC   103.74 USD   25.20 USD   78.54 USD
30 days   1.44354103 LTC   444.61 USD   108.00 USD   336.61 USD

LOL. What the Hell.

Of course the above means that an L3+ is getting $22.44 per day after electric at 12c kwh.

Who'd a thunk this, about 2 months ago?

Anyway, for your consideration. The calc used was from www.litecoinpool.org/calc

and does include the fact it is 101% payout free LTC pool.

I mine on Prohashing, until recently got more on PH so switched, but with LTC pump this may not

be the case anymore.

Anyway, was messing around with the litecoinpool calc, in that, I have both machines...and thought

this was funny.


Gosh this price drop in scrypt coins could not have come at a worst time for the buyers of the L3. Hopefully coin prices go up soon or there are going to be a lot of people dumping these on the market. There is already a bunch showing up on Ebay. I am praying things get better.


and for the above guy who posted Sept 5th, 2017.....see all is well now Smiley






Amazing to see that you still got your KNC Cheesy

These fuckers are also rock solid huh?  I don't worry much. Price is going to go up until Bitcoin will drop. And since everyone expects Bitcoin to hit 25k it will hit 25k...
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Below is what I get now with an L3 at 400 watts at 250mh at 12c kwh electric.

$11.20 with electricity paid, per day.

24 hours   0.04009836 LTC   12.35 USD   1.15 USD   11.20 USD
7 days   0.28068853 LTC   86.45 USD   8.06 USD   78.39 USD
30 days   1.20295085 LTC   370.51 USD   34.56 USD   335.95 USD


Below is what I get now with a KNC Titan 300mh miner at 1,250 watts and 12c kwh electric.

$11.22 with electric per day.

24 hours   0.04811803 LTC   14.82 USD   3.60 USD   11.22 USD
7 days   0.33682624 LTC   103.74 USD   25.20 USD   78.54 USD
30 days   1.44354103 LTC   444.61 USD   108.00 USD   336.61 USD

LOL. What the Hell.

Of course the above means that an L3+ is getting $22.44 per day after electric at 12c kwh.

Who'd a thunk this, about 2 months ago?

Anyway, for your consideration. The calc used was from www.litecoinpool.org/calc

and does include the fact it is 101% payout free LTC pool.

I mine on Prohashing, until recently got more on PH so switched, but with LTC pump this may not

be the case anymore.

Anyway, was messing around with the litecoinpool calc, in that, I have both machines...and thought

this was funny.


Gosh this price drop in scrypt coins could not have come at a worst time for the buyers of the L3. Hopefully coin prices go up soon or there are going to be a lot of people dumping these on the market. There is already a bunch showing up on Ebay. I am praying things get better.


and for the above guy who posted Sept 5th, 2017.....see all is well now Smiley



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