Topic: [Antminer S1 Sales open] Price changes daily, now 0.414 BTC for 180GH/s - page 179. (Read 346286 times)
February 18, 2014, 11:46:06 AM
Can someone point me in the direction of the hardware I need to get a wireless connection going to these Ant's?
February 17, 2014, 07:46:59 PM
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shipping (<$100)
Probably wrong. I just did a quick search on UPS.com (guessing at the exact size and weight, but I was probably close) and it came up at around $300
That's full retail rate. No one pays the full retail rate. Especially not businesses.
That's why I said probably. There is a discount, especially if you are shipping hundreds of units at once. I've had a UPS business account before, so I have some idea of the discounts available. My search was for shipping to the west coast of USA also. Some other destinations are probably more. A few may be less. I still very much doubt <$100.
February 17, 2014, 04:14:26 PM
I did not mean to disclude labour from my numbers, but I was partially writing some of it into the different fab steps (ie: the pcb fab estimate includes the labor/time of production). Bitmain simply assembles and tests the miners prior to shipping (2hours per unit would be generous i think)
65% of that 2hours has got to be them trying to get the units into the anti-static bags
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAxhr0j0thY
I doubt it
February 17, 2014, 04:12:53 PM
I suspect they "test" some units for a couple weeks before shipping. For example, I bet they are "testing" the units that are going to ship on Feb 28th right now... 
This is pure speculation, but most hardware manufacturers learn that it is very beneficial pre-mine before difficulty goes up, and then sell to consumers after the hardware is past its max earning potential.
This is pure speculation, but most hardware manufacturers learn that it is very beneficial pre-mine before difficulty goes up, and then sell to consumers after the hardware is past its max earning potential.
You can speculate all you want of course, but have you actually bought Ant Miners or are you just trolling this thread?
At least some of the ones I've bought were almost certainly not used for mining because they had "that new electronics smell" for the first few days of mining. In fact I'd prefer they burned them in for a while, but they clearly didn't.
I have quite a few ants hashing away right now, boss. I would have ordered many more but 1.45BTC for a March delivery doesn't pass my ROI calculations. If people are buying March Ants at 1.45BTC, I can't really blame Bitmain for selling at that price.
Some of the Ants had dust covered heat sinks and fans, and others looked brand new, but all the Ants performed at 180 GH or greater and only 1 is not stable when overclocked.
I don't have a problem with used mining hardware as long as it performs according to spec and is delivered in a timely fashion.
Bitmain has done a great job thus far of delivering a quality product to miners at a fair price, and I wish them the best of luck in the future.
February 17, 2014, 03:54:08 PM
I did not mean to disclude labour from my numbers, but I was partially writing some of it into the different fab steps (ie: the pcb fab estimate includes the labor/time of production). Bitmain simply assembles and tests the miners prior to shipping (2hours per unit would be generous i think)
65% of that 2hours has got to be them trying to get the units into the anti-static bags
February 17, 2014, 03:24:28 PM
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shipping (<$100)
Probably wrong. I just did a quick search on UPS.com (guessing at the exact size and weight, but I was probably close) and it came up at around $300
That's full retail rate. No one pays the full retail rate. Especially not businesses.
Express UPS Air worldwide ain't 100$ unless you are like amazon.com or something.
February 17, 2014, 03:19:57 PM
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shipping (<$100)
Probably wrong. I just did a quick search on UPS.com (guessing at the exact size and weight, but I was probably close) and it came up at around $300
That's full retail rate. No one pays the full retail rate. Especially not businesses.
February 17, 2014, 03:18:25 PM
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shipping (<$100)
Probably wrong. I just did a quick search on UPS.com (guessing at the exact size and weight, but I was probably close) and it came up at around $300
I also suspect that Bitmain is paying more than $100 to ship each Ant across the world in two days. When my last batch of Ants came, the UPS guy even said that someone paid big bucks to ship the Ants.
Considering each Ant is making less than $20/day now, perhaps Bitmain can reduce the price of each Ant by offering slower shipping.
February 17, 2014, 03:17:35 PM
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shipping (<$100)
Probably wrong. I just did a quick search on UPS.com (guessing at the exact size and weight, but I was probably close) and it came up at around $300
February 17, 2014, 03:13:17 PM
I suspect they "test" some units for a couple weeks before shipping. For example, I bet they are "testing" the units that are going to ship on Feb 28th right now...
This is pure speculation, but most hardware manufacturers learn that it is very beneficial pre-mine before difficulty goes up, and then sell to consumers after the hardware is past its max earning potential.
This is pure speculation, but most hardware manufacturers learn that it is very beneficial pre-mine before difficulty goes up, and then sell to consumers after the hardware is past its max earning potential.
You can speculate all you want of course, but have you actually bought Ant Miners or are you just trolling this thread?
At least some of the ones I've bought were almost certainly not used for mining because they had "that new electronics smell" for the first few days of mining. In fact I'd prefer they burned them in for a while, but they clearly didn't.
February 17, 2014, 03:11:58 PM
Hey guys,
I see people asking for the invoice everywhere, and all answers say "just look at your account"
Now I'm trying to find my invoices as well, but all I can see is at my account, under "my orders" the list of orders I've placed, and when I view them, all I see is the order overview with BTC payment amount, address, shipping ID, address, etc.
However, I'd like to get some kind of invoice which I can use as a company, something including VAT and stuff like that. Is that available as well?
(guess it's hard to show VAT on an order paid in BTC, but still asking to be sure)
Thanks
I see people asking for the invoice everywhere, and all answers say "just look at your account"
Now I'm trying to find my invoices as well, but all I can see is at my account, under "my orders" the list of orders I've placed, and when I view them, all I see is the order overview with BTC payment amount, address, shipping ID, address, etc.
However, I'd like to get some kind of invoice which I can use as a company, something including VAT and stuff like that. Is that available as well?
(guess it's hard to show VAT on an order paid in BTC, but still asking to be sure)
Thanks
February 17, 2014, 03:09:41 PM
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shipping (<$100)
Probably wrong. I just did a quick search on UPS.com (guessing at the exact size and weight, but I was probably close) and it came up at around $300
February 17, 2014, 03:03:48 PM
This is pure speculation, but most hardware manufacturers learn that it is very beneficial pre-mine before difficulty goes up, and then sell to consumers after the hardware is past its max earning potential.\\
Or sell preorder for new product, build a huge farm with old product with that money instead. Who would do that?
For me it doesn't bother me if these were pulled from a mine. I just got 2 more units at my door today. I buy it and they ship it, worth the perceived premium.
February 17, 2014, 02:57:57 PM
Express UPS shipping. Warranty. LABOR. So you expect them to sell them at cost? Interesting.
This isn't the UAW we're talking about here.
amazing, just because they are Chinese means they shouldn't make money? lol. This is a small shop, not foxconn. Either way, i don't understand why people complain. Its obvious they are selling them with no problem at this price point. It's understandable some people's expectation of return will differ, but saying these wont ever ROI is kind of ridiculous, no?
I have no problem with them making money, in fact I expect them too. All I'm saying is that the labour overhead is probably marginal comparative to overall costs.
I did not mean to disclude labour from my numbers, but I was partially writing some of it into the different fab steps (ie: the pcb fab estimate includes the labor/time of production). Bitmain simply assembles and tests the miners prior to shipping (2hours per unit would be generous i think)
I suspect they "test" some units for a couple weeks before shipping. For example, I bet they are "testing" the units that are going to ship on Feb 28th right now...
This is pure speculation, but most hardware manufacturers learn that it is very beneficial pre-mine before difficulty goes up, and then sell to consumers after the hardware is past its max earning potential.
February 17, 2014, 02:54:11 PM
Express UPS shipping. Warranty. LABOR. So you expect them to sell them at cost? Interesting.
This isn't the UAW we're talking about here.
amazing, just because they are Chinese means they shouldn't make money? lol. This is a small shop, not foxconn. Either way, i don't understand why people complain. Its obvious they are selling them with no problem at this price point. It's understandable some people's expectation of return will differ, but saying these wont ever ROI is kind of ridiculous, no?
I have no problem with them making money, in fact I expect them too. All I'm saying is that the labour overhead is probably marginal comparative to overall costs.
I did not mean to disclude labour from my numbers, but I was partially writing some of it into the different fab steps (ie: the pcb fab estimate includes the labor/time of production). Bitmain simply assembles and tests the miners prior to shipping (2hours per unit would be generous i think)
February 17, 2014, 02:50:46 PM
I'm assuming their company is run by a group of EE's, i think they said this somewhere. This is the labor i am referring to. I think we can all agree the engineers get paid more than assembly worker.
February 17, 2014, 02:49:43 PM
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just read his posting
he and his gay friend loshia are always together posting non sens things
so be aware
February 17, 2014, 02:43:53 PM
Express UPS shipping. Warranty. LABOR. So you expect them to sell them at cost? Interesting.
This isn't the UAW we're talking about here.
amazing, just because they are Chinese means they shouldn't make money? lol. This is a small shop, not foxconn. Either way, i don't understand why people complain. Its obvious they are selling them with no problem at this price point. It's understandable some people's expectation of return will differ, but saying these wont ever ROI is kind of ridiculous, no?
I have no problem with them making money, in fact I expect them too. All I'm saying is that the labour overhead is probably marginal comparative to overall costs.
February 17, 2014, 02:29:44 PM
Express UPS shipping. Warranty. LABOR. So you expect them to sell them at cost? Interesting.
This isn't the UAW we're talking about here.
amazing, just because they are Chinese means they shouldn't make money? lol. This is a small shop, not foxconn. Either way, i don't understand why people complain. Its obvious they are selling them with no problem at this price point. It's understandable some people's expectation of return will differ, but saying these wont ever ROI is kind of ridiculous, no?
February 17, 2014, 01:57:24 PM
lets not all forget that bitmain has surprised and shipped early too.
Damn you ... guess I will order 1 more to put me above a TH. Its just hard to pay the price when I already have units hashing at the current difficulty. If I buy 1 more it will increase my dollar\cost average.
Worst case scenario is you sell off one of your units for close to what you paid after a few months of use.
People actually buy miners when their golden days are long gone?
How often are chargebacks?
I sold 50 usb erupters on amazon for 20+ dollars a piece from the end of dec to the end of january. Not one chargeback or anything. Doubled my money. Greater fool theory
I have sold over 400 of them since November on Amazon, with the majority of them being above 50 to 60 dollars a piece. Competition has brought the price wayyyy down, but I still get a sale every couple of days at $30 a piece. Never had one return, few people asked, but I told them I would have to charge a 30 to 40% restocking fee, and they ended up just keeping it. Lots of people who either do not research first, or just want to try it out and dont care if they lose $30. But this is small money mind you, larger items like $1500 machines will not work in the same way.
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