Topic: [Antminer S1 Sales open] Price changes daily, now 0.414 BTC for 180GH/s - page 181. (Read 346284 times)
February 17, 2014, 03:18:02 AM
how many degrees F would you say one Antminer increases the temperature of a small bedroom? Two Antminers?
February 17, 2014, 01:59:40 AM
Haven't checked their site in the last couple of hours or so, but it looks like they've finally sold out of the 2/28 shipment batch.
^yeah, its weird because I just dont see a unit making more than 1.3BTC between march 2nd and its obsolete date sometime in the late fall, unless bitcoin difficulty jumps all stay around 15-20% during that time
February 17, 2014, 01:32:19 AM
Haven't checked their site in the last couple of hours or so, but it looks like they've finally sold out of the 2/28 shipment batch.
^yeah, its weird because I just dont see a unit making more than 1.3BTC between march 2nd and its obsolete date sometime in the late fall, unless bitcoin difficulty jumps all stay around 15-20% during that time
February 16, 2014, 10:10:58 PM
Haven't checked their site in the last couple of hours or so, but it looks like they've finally sold out of the 2/28 shipment batch.
February 16, 2014, 09:17:10 PM
Hey what brand/model of PSU is that? I wanna get some cheap server PSU's too, but I don't know much about them.
Thanks.
Those are IBM 24R2640 / 39Y7169 xSeries 336 585 W, but I wouldn't recommend them as they have the female connector on the PSU and require quite a bit of work to make them fit. Pay attention that you find some guide on how to convert your PSU before you buy it, also some units don't have the fan integrated (older HP).
February 16, 2014, 08:45:22 PM
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February 16, 2014, 08:24:32 PM
People actually buy miners when their golden days are long gone?
How often are chargebacks?
How often are chargebacks?
Yes and no. I sold a couple of obsolescent miners on ebay for good prices and I never had a problem. But seeing other people having problems encouraged me to stop selling that way. I've also sold old miners for BTC payment and in person cash sales. You don't get as much as ebay, but you still get something to offset the lifetime cost.
If your highest bidder has shady feedback, and your refuse to ship him the miner, he can give you negative feedback right?
I don't know the ebay rules exactly. As I said all I can report from personal experience are good sales where I got paid for the minres and had no problems. And I've sold plenty of other stuff on ebay without trouble (just my own used stuff, not as a business). Miners seem to attract shady people and/or professional scammers.
February 16, 2014, 08:20:00 PM
People actually buy miners when their golden days are long gone?
How often are chargebacks?
How often are chargebacks?
Yes and no. I sold a couple of obsolescent miners on ebay for good prices and I never had a problem. But seeing other people having problems encouraged me to stop selling that way. I've also sold old miners for BTC payment and in person cash sales. You don't get as much as ebay, but you still get something to offset the lifetime cost.
If your highest bidder has shady feedback, and your refuse to ship him the miner, he can give you negative feedback right?
February 16, 2014, 08:12:18 PM
People actually buy miners when their golden days are long gone?
How often are chargebacks?
How often are chargebacks?
Yes and no. I sold a couple of obsolescent miners on ebay for good prices and I never had a problem. But seeing other people having problems encouraged me to stop selling that way. I've also sold old miners for BTC payment and in person cash sales. You don't get as much as ebay, but you still get something to offset the lifetime cost.
February 16, 2014, 08:07:24 PM
lets not all forget that bitmain has surprised and shipped early too.
Damn you ... guess I will order 1 more to put me above a TH. Its just hard to pay the price when I already have units hashing at the current difficulty. If I buy 1 more it will increase my dollar\cost average.
Worst case scenario is you sell off one of your units for close to what you paid after a few months of use.
People actually buy miners when their golden days are long gone?
How often are chargebacks?
February 16, 2014, 04:56:10 PM
AntMiner S1-Shipment starting from Feb 28th - Difficulty: 3,620,000,000
February 16, 2014, 04:47:15 PM
"AntMiner S1-Shipment starting from Feb 28th." 
Yes, that's the new status..
February 16, 2014, 04:28:22 PM
I'd be inclined to think that your order will ship in time (48h), if the BITMAIN website was updated only after your order was placed. They don't play people, you'll find out soon enough.
"AntMiner S1-Shipment starting from Feb 28th."
February 16, 2014, 04:18:06 PM
Um, did this happen to anyone else?
I'd be inclined to think that your order will ship in time (48h), if the BITMAIN website was updated only after your order was placed. They don't play people, you'll find out soon enough.
February 16, 2014, 02:23:11 PM
But anyway, long story short -- the site said "Ships 48 hours after payment is confirmed." Then my order went through (the email from Bitmain literally says I ordered at GMT 05:01:52, so they hadn't even been open for business for 2 minutes when I ordered, lol) and I quickly sent in my payment and it was confirmed in the next 10-20 minutes.
The site was definately updated prior to them going on sale, I posted about in this thread at 13:50 UK time which was 1 hour and 10 minutes before they went on sale
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5177456
Maybe request a refund if you are unhappy ?
February 16, 2014, 01:39:06 PM
It's actually pretty interesting, you can estimate your position in the order queue based on their BTC address.
https://blockchain.info/address/1QB8Ds5KbGYBLQa5RyDQ2sVUeSKWf7qgkZ
You can see 55 transactions of 2.4BTC into it on the 11th from the last sale.
After the increase, there was a bunch of transactions for multiples of 2.65 (and what I believe to be a 4 part transaction for 31.8 or 12 units), totaling 31 (+12) for a total of 43 units at 2.65.
You then see the big increase after the price drop, at this time 81 multiples of 2.2 (plus one of 3.3 without a corresponding 1.1). There's two transactions of 22BTC that could be 500 U1 orders or 10 S1 orders, and of course small orders could make up a single 22BTC U1 order, though I think it's unlikely that someone who paid in multiple transactions would do it in exact multiples of 2.2 If I had to guess, I'd say at this point they've sold 61 S1s and 1000 U1s since the price drop.
https://blockchain.info/address/1QB8Ds5KbGYBLQa5RyDQ2sVUeSKWf7qgkZ
You can see 55 transactions of 2.4BTC into it on the 11th from the last sale.
After the increase, there was a bunch of transactions for multiples of 2.65 (and what I believe to be a 4 part transaction for 31.8 or 12 units), totaling 31 (+12) for a total of 43 units at 2.65.
You then see the big increase after the price drop, at this time 81 multiples of 2.2 (plus one of 3.3 without a corresponding 1.1). There's two transactions of 22BTC that could be 500 U1 orders or 10 S1 orders, and of course small orders could make up a single 22BTC U1 order, though I think it's unlikely that someone who paid in multiple transactions would do it in exact multiples of 2.2 If I had to guess, I'd say at this point they've sold 61 S1s and 1000 U1s since the price drop.
looks like they have 479 orders paid for based on todays spike BTC received (695 at time of this post ).
https://blockchain.info/charts/received-per-day?timespan=30days&showDataPoints=false&daysAverageString=1&show_header=true&scale=0&address=1QB8Ds5KbGYBLQa5RyDQ2sVUeSKWf7qgkZ
February 16, 2014, 01:32:39 PM
I'm pretty sure those who ordered the Feb 28 batch thinking they were within the 48 hour shipping timeframe will be able to get a refund from Bitmain if they give them 48 hours or so to sort out their e-mails, PMs etc.
Bitmain doesn't seem to be the kind of company that wants to trap their customers into forced pre-orders
As far as I'm concerned, I'll skip this batch too. I know I should have ordered more from the Post-CNY batch...
Bitmain doesn't seem to be the kind of company that wants to trap their customers into forced pre-orders
As far as I'm concerned, I'll skip this batch too. I know I should have ordered more from the Post-CNY batch...
February 16, 2014, 01:30:50 PM
Hey what brand/model of PSU is that? I wanna get some cheap server PSU's too, but I don't know much about them.
Thanks.
February 16, 2014, 01:19:53 PM
Um, did this happen to anyone else?
I tried to get in on yesterday's "lottery" and like (almost) everyone else I wasn't able to snag one. So today I was ready, or so I thought:
I was on that website, ready to go -- 30 minutes in advance -- so I am *certain* I read the description over and over (because I kept going back and forth to the main/product page so I could add the items to my shopping cart and submit the order ASAP). I am *certain* the site described the units as "Limited units sales. Open sales on Feb 16th 11:00 pm BeiJing time, GMT +8. Ships 48 hours after payment is confirmed."
Finally after a half an hour refreshing and clicking and refreshing and clicking, I was "lucky enough" to snag two. NOTHING had changed -- I looked at that site so many stupid times I know I would have noticed, because I definitely noticed when things *did* change an hour later!
But anyway, long story short -- the site said "Ships 48 hours after payment is confirmed." Then my order went through (the email from Bitmain literally says I ordered at GMT 05:01:52, so they hadn't even been open for business for 2 minutes when I ordered, lol) and I quickly sent in my payment and it was confirmed in the next 10-20 minutes.
Okay, time to relax for a bit, take a shower, and spend the rest of the morning power supply shopping online, right? Well...then I noticed the Bitmain site had changed the description slightly: instead of saying "Ships in 48 hours" (which is very specific) it had changed to "Ships after Feb 28." So not only had it changed to +1 week longer, but it's also somewhat ambiguous -- "your item will ship within 48 hours of receiving payment" is a hell of a lot more specific than "your item will be among the items that are shipped 'at some point, depending on where you are in line, after the 28th.'"
I checked my order and (sure enough) there is no mention of a new shipping date anywhere. The product is listed as "Antminer S1." However, fast forward another hour or so and I see that the site has changed again -- now it says "Shipment will be started on Feb 28th. Limited units sale," and the item is listed as "AntMiner S1-Shipment starting from Feb 28th." Just to check, I added one to my shopping cart -- and sure enough, the item listed in my shopping cart (this time) is "AntMiner S1-Shipment starting from Feb 28th." So I'm *hoping* this is a hint that maybe they *did* have some stock today, and sold that BEFORE they began preselling...but I can't really be sure of anything. I emailed Bitmain but didn't get a reply, but that's understandable if it's 11pm where they are. (I promise I'm not trying to be difficult -- but I certainly didn't expect the terms of the shipping agreement to change while I was in mid-purchase!)
So here is my question -- and I guess it's for Bitmain (or if anyone can point me to any official statement on the forum as to what happened): Did I purchase 2 Antminers, which are scheduled to ship (as advertised) 48 hours after my payment was confirmed, aka within 2 days from now? (If so, then I'm happy and I apologize for making a fuss over nothing!) Or did I try to purchase 2 Antminers, but then somehow (via an ill-timed website update or act of god or whatever you want to call it) I ended up preordering 2 Antminers (at today's BTC price) that won't ship until the end of the month (approximately 2 difficulty increases later)?
If it's the former, then I say again: please do nothing, I am a happy panda, and I apologize for the trouble.
If it's the latter, then ... I hate to sound like a dick, but ... I never would have paid 1.45 BTC (x2) for 180GH/s in March. I was willing to pay that for a product that was shipping in 48 hours, because I think it still has a reasonable chance of hitting a positive ROI -- but more importantly, even if it is just a week away, I had no interest in preordering anything. (Even if the vendor is reputable, which I freely admit Bitmain seems to be.) I just (respectfully) don't believe the S1 will be worth 1.45 BTC on March 3-5, or whenever I would expect to receive the thing...and even if I did, I would have been more cautious and only purchased one...etc, etc, you get the point.
So if it's not shipping until March, then I would respectfully request a refund of the full amount paid, since I'm not really getting what I paid for. (Bitmain, you can find my order details in the email I sent you; or PM me if that was somehow lost in transit.) Please note that I am not suggesting any bait-and-switch occurred here; I assume (worst case scenario) that in the rush to reopen sales, the description on the website was updated in piecemeal fashion -- more than a few times -- so I don't think anyone intentionally mislead anyone. However I also don't think it's inappropriate to request some clarification, and if necessary a refund, considering that people (or just me?) were misled through no fault of our own.
Note: I still haven't had time to grab my morning caffeine so *please* if something in this post sounds like I'm whining or complaining or yelling/screaming/Hulk Smash/Hulk Angry I assure you I'm not. I just had a late night and a (relatively) early morning trying to "win" one of these and ... well you understand. I *promise* I am not asking for special treatment, just a quick reply (email or PM works okay too) so I can know what is going on. (I would have just canceled the order at the website -- but I see no method for doing that; the "edit" link next to my confirmed order just allows me to change my shipping address and phone number, nothing else.)
Hopefully nothing has to be canceled/refunded at all, and I am misunderstanding/misinterpreting something. I definitely want to buy the 2 Antminers (at the current price) if they ship in 48 hours; but I very likely do NOT want to buy them (at the current price) if they ship in 288+ hours. :)
Sorry for the longwinded post to say something relatively simple; like I mentioned, not enough caffeine yet -- a problem which I will remedy right now.
I tried to get in on yesterday's "lottery" and like (almost) everyone else I wasn't able to snag one. So today I was ready, or so I thought:
I was on that website, ready to go -- 30 minutes in advance -- so I am *certain* I read the description over and over (because I kept going back and forth to the main/product page so I could add the items to my shopping cart and submit the order ASAP). I am *certain* the site described the units as "Limited units sales. Open sales on Feb 16th 11:00 pm BeiJing time, GMT +8. Ships 48 hours after payment is confirmed."
Finally after a half an hour refreshing and clicking and refreshing and clicking, I was "lucky enough" to snag two. NOTHING had changed -- I looked at that site so many stupid times I know I would have noticed, because I definitely noticed when things *did* change an hour later!
But anyway, long story short -- the site said "Ships 48 hours after payment is confirmed." Then my order went through (the email from Bitmain literally says I ordered at GMT 05:01:52, so they hadn't even been open for business for 2 minutes when I ordered, lol) and I quickly sent in my payment and it was confirmed in the next 10-20 minutes.
Okay, time to relax for a bit, take a shower, and spend the rest of the morning power supply shopping online, right? Well...then I noticed the Bitmain site had changed the description slightly: instead of saying "Ships in 48 hours" (which is very specific) it had changed to "Ships after Feb 28." So not only had it changed to +1 week longer, but it's also somewhat ambiguous -- "your item will ship within 48 hours of receiving payment" is a hell of a lot more specific than "your item will be among the items that are shipped 'at some point, depending on where you are in line, after the 28th.'"
I checked my order and (sure enough) there is no mention of a new shipping date anywhere. The product is listed as "Antminer S1." However, fast forward another hour or so and I see that the site has changed again -- now it says "Shipment will be started on Feb 28th. Limited units sale," and the item is listed as "AntMiner S1-Shipment starting from Feb 28th." Just to check, I added one to my shopping cart -- and sure enough, the item listed in my shopping cart (this time) is "AntMiner S1-Shipment starting from Feb 28th." So I'm *hoping* this is a hint that maybe they *did* have some stock today, and sold that BEFORE they began preselling...but I can't really be sure of anything. I emailed Bitmain but didn't get a reply, but that's understandable if it's 11pm where they are. (I promise I'm not trying to be difficult -- but I certainly didn't expect the terms of the shipping agreement to change while I was in mid-purchase!)
So here is my question -- and I guess it's for Bitmain (or if anyone can point me to any official statement on the forum as to what happened): Did I purchase 2 Antminers, which are scheduled to ship (as advertised) 48 hours after my payment was confirmed, aka within 2 days from now? (If so, then I'm happy and I apologize for making a fuss over nothing!) Or did I try to purchase 2 Antminers, but then somehow (via an ill-timed website update or act of god or whatever you want to call it) I ended up preordering 2 Antminers (at today's BTC price) that won't ship until the end of the month (approximately 2 difficulty increases later)?
If it's the former, then I say again: please do nothing, I am a happy panda, and I apologize for the trouble.
If it's the latter, then ... I hate to sound like a dick, but ... I never would have paid 1.45 BTC (x2) for 180GH/s in March. I was willing to pay that for a product that was shipping in 48 hours, because I think it still has a reasonable chance of hitting a positive ROI -- but more importantly, even if it is just a week away, I had no interest in preordering anything. (Even if the vendor is reputable, which I freely admit Bitmain seems to be.) I just (respectfully) don't believe the S1 will be worth 1.45 BTC on March 3-5, or whenever I would expect to receive the thing...and even if I did, I would have been more cautious and only purchased one...etc, etc, you get the point.
So if it's not shipping until March, then I would respectfully request a refund of the full amount paid, since I'm not really getting what I paid for. (Bitmain, you can find my order details in the email I sent you; or PM me if that was somehow lost in transit.) Please note that I am not suggesting any bait-and-switch occurred here; I assume (worst case scenario) that in the rush to reopen sales, the description on the website was updated in piecemeal fashion -- more than a few times -- so I don't think anyone intentionally mislead anyone. However I also don't think it's inappropriate to request some clarification, and if necessary a refund, considering that people (or just me?) were misled through no fault of our own.
Note: I still haven't had time to grab my morning caffeine so *please* if something in this post sounds like I'm whining or complaining or yelling/screaming/Hulk Smash/Hulk Angry I assure you I'm not. I just had a late night and a (relatively) early morning trying to "win" one of these and ... well you understand. I *promise* I am not asking for special treatment, just a quick reply (email or PM works okay too) so I can know what is going on. (I would have just canceled the order at the website -- but I see no method for doing that; the "edit" link next to my confirmed order just allows me to change my shipping address and phone number, nothing else.)
Hopefully nothing has to be canceled/refunded at all, and I am misunderstanding/misinterpreting something. I definitely want to buy the 2 Antminers (at the current price) if they ship in 48 hours; but I very likely do NOT want to buy them (at the current price) if they ship in 288+ hours. :)
Sorry for the longwinded post to say something relatively simple; like I mentioned, not enough caffeine yet -- a problem which I will remedy right now.
February 16, 2014, 01:06:46 PM
i just ordered two, a bit strange that for days the sales close within 1 minute every day and now it stays opened 
Sales are still open because 1.45 BTC for a Antminer that won't be mining until March is not a very good price.
I love Ants, and will definitely expand my Ant farm if the price is right, but will pass on this round.
There will be two difficulty increases before buyers of this batch of Antminers will be mining.
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