ANTMINER S2 Discussion and Support Thread - page 126.

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Quote from: freebit13 on April 27, 2014, 04:40:26 PM

Quote from: rodeoclownicp on April 27, 2014, 04:33:46 PM

i am not getting $31 a day, i am on btc guild, any suggestions

You can't really calculate in $ due to the price fluctuations... with 1TH/s, you should be making just under 0.08btc/day until the next diff change.

If you're new to BTC Guild, it'll take some time for your daily earnings to increase.

BTCG's luck (my luck?) has been horrendous lately. I finally had to take my hash to GHash.io. Don't worry though, now that I'm not at BTCG, the pool luck is guaranteed to instantly and dramatically improve. And if someone reading this is currently mining at GHash.io, it might be time for you to move to a different pool. I'm sure to ruin it for everyone. Undecided

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Quote from: tzortz on April 27, 2014, 04:50:05 PM

Quote from: s1lverbox on April 27, 2014, 04:16:30 PM

Quote from: navigator on April 27, 2014, 03:34:44 PM

I think it's perfectly okay for bitmain to mine before selling and shipping. It's not like you paid them money for a preorder and they use your money to build miners, mine on them, then ship it to you months late.
Bitmain is different than other ASIC's companies. They are trying to setup a win-win situation for themselves and customers. Sounds good to me.

No its not and you wrong. As if miner is build and announced for sale it should be new, not used and against their own tos.
When i ordered my first s1 i was happy like kid. but when u getting used item which is overclocked where this will void warranty if anything will happen, its not that great anymore.
We are in s2 thread, so acctually people paid shit loads of btc for preorder of units like other bfl or knc.
Once units was delivered problems started to piled up.
Sorry but you wrong.
S1 didnt appear from nowhere. They had them long time before they start selling them.
s2 as well and probably now they have kit which is more efficient than s1 and s2

Im not saying anything about delivery etc. bitmain is well above any other asics company. But i dont see why they should mine with my miner or miner wich is mining for weeks and then when i will made order they sending me that miner...Just saying.

Exactly this.

I could not agree more.

I agree, and would add that they certainly shouldn't be lying about the product being new (which they did, repeatedly) even when faced with questions as to why fans were worn out (from overuse) and heatsinks caked with dust.

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Quote from: s1lverbox on April 27, 2014, 04:16:30 PM

Quote from: navigator on April 27, 2014, 03:34:44 PM

I think it's perfectly okay for bitmain to mine before selling and shipping. It's not like you paid them money for a preorder and they use your money to build miners, mine on them, then ship it to you months late.
Bitmain is different than other ASIC's companies. They are trying to setup a win-win situation for themselves and customers. Sounds good to me.

No its not and you wrong. As if miner is build and announced for sale it should be new, not used and against their own tos.
When i ordered my first s1 i was happy like kid. but when u getting used item which is overclocked where this will void warranty if anything will happen, its not that great anymore.
We are in s2 thread, so acctually people paid shit loads of btc for preorder of units like other bfl or knc.
Once units was delivered problems started to piled up.
Sorry but you wrong.
S1 didnt appear from nowhere. They had them long time before they start selling them.
s2 as well and probably now they have kit which is more efficient than s1 and s2

Im not saying anything about delivery etc. bitmain is well above any other asics company. But i dont see why they should mine with my miner or miner wich is mining for weeks and then when i will made order they sending me that miner...Just saying.

Exactly this.

I could not agree more.

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Quote from: rodeoclownicp on April 27, 2014, 04:33:46 PM

i am not getting $31 a day, i am on btc guild, any suggestions

You can't really calculate in $ due to the price fluctuations... with 1TH/s, you should be making just under 0.08btc/day until the next diff change.

If you're new to BTC Guild, it'll take some time for your daily earnings to increase.

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i am not getting $31 a day, i am on btc guild, any suggestions

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Quote from: kendog77 on April 27, 2014, 02:42:09 PM

Right now, a S2 earns $31 dollars a day and that number will go down 15% in two days.

It makes zero financial sense for Bitmain or the buyer to pay for faster shipping if it ends up costing more than $31 extra per day saved.

what pool are you using

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Quote from: navigator on April 27, 2014, 03:34:44 PM

I think it's perfectly okay for bitmain to mine before selling and shipping. It's not like you paid them money for a preorder and they use your money to build miners, mine on them, then ship it to you months late.
Bitmain is different than other ASIC's companies. They are trying to setup a win-win situation for themselves and customers. Sounds good to me.

No its not and you wrong. As if miner is build and announced for sale it should be new, not used and against their own tos.
When i ordered my first s1 i was happy like kid. but when u getting used item which is overclocked where this will void warranty if anything will happen, its not that great anymore.
We are in s2 thread, so acctually people paid shit loads of btc for preorder of units like other bfl or knc.
Once units was delivered problems started to piled up.
Sorry but you wrong.
S1 didnt appear from nowhere. They had them long time before they start selling them.
s2 as well and probably now they have kit which is more efficient than s1 and s2

Im not saying anything about delivery etc. bitmain is well above any other asics company. But i dont see why they should mine with my miner or miner wich is mining for weeks and then when i will made order they sending me that miner...Just saying.

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Quote from: samsonn25 on April 27, 2014, 03:38:25 PM

Quote from: navigator on April 27, 2014, 03:34:44 PM

I think it's perfectly okay for bitmain to mine before selling and shipping. It's not like you paid them money for a preorder and they use your money to build miners, mine on them, then ship it to you months late.
Bitmain is different than other ASIC's companies. They are trying to setup a win-win situation for themselves and customers. Sounds good to me.

Agreed. They are the fairest asic company I have dealt with. One of the few that actually has product on hand to sell.

I think the s1 will go down in history as the last great asic machine for the masses. I should edit the wiki later this summer.

Yep Bitmain is heads and shoulders above the rest.

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Quote from: navigator on April 27, 2014, 03:34:44 PM

I think it's perfectly okay for bitmain to mine before selling and shipping. It's not like you paid them money for a preorder and they use your money to build miners, mine on them, then ship it to you months late.
Bitmain is different than other ASIC's companies. They are trying to setup a win-win situation for themselves and customers. Sounds good to me.

Agreed. They are the fairest asic company I have dealt with. One of the few that actually has product on hand to sell.

I think the s1 will go down in history as the last great asic machine for the masses. I should edit the wiki later this summer.

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I think it's perfectly okay for bitmain to mine before selling and shipping. It's not like you paid them money for a preorder and they use your money to build miners, mine on them, then ship it to you months late.
Bitmain is different than other ASIC's companies. They are trying to setup a win-win situation for themselves and customers. Sounds good to me.

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Right now, a S2 earns $31 dollars a day and that number will go down 15% in two days.

It makes zero financial sense for Bitmain or the buyer to pay for faster shipping if it ends up costing more than $31 extra per day saved.

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Quote from: Biffa on April 27, 2014, 11:34:19 AM

Quote from: imar2014 on April 27, 2014, 11:30:57 AM

Thats the nature of the beast these days and there is nothing we can do about it. ASIC manufacturers can make more money mining than they can selling their equipment...off bitmain topic, but wait for the KNC scrypt miners, KNC will mine with them until the LTC difficulty becomes so high, then offload them onto the customers with little to no hope of ROI...

They didn't do that with the Oct/Nov batches of Jupiters & Saturns. Why do you think they would with the scrypt ones?

They didn't do it then because they needed to build credibility to start the ponzi scheme. Now they have good reputation they can take 25 million in neptune orders and max out the time frame.

Alot of people were bitching so they made a new scheme with scrypt miners. The only catch is no refunds. So for those who dont know that means they can basically hold your money forever.

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Quote from: Biffa on April 27, 2014, 11:34:19 AM

Quote from: imar2014 on April 27, 2014, 11:30:57 AM

Thats the nature of the beast these days and there is nothing we can do about it. ASIC manufacturers can make more money mining than they can selling their equipment...off bitmain topic, but wait for the KNC scrypt miners, KNC will mine with them until the LTC difficulty becomes so high, then offload them onto the customers with little to no hope of ROI...

They didn't do that with the Oct/Nov batches of Jupiters & Saturns. Why do you think they would with the scrypt ones?

just a hunch, LTC is at a different place in its lifecycle compared to where BTC is. Just crunch some numbers and would make complete sense to do it, heck id do it in their place. but anyway this is a Antminer S2 thread...

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Quote from: bobsag3 on April 27, 2014, 11:17:02 AM

Um.
I know exactly how much it costs to ship the S1/S2 from China to the US, I ve received well over 2k of them.
Also you cant get 2 day air from china, they use Express Saver witch is technically up to 3 business days but no guarantees. Bitmain doesnt pay the EU customs- its paid by the receiver.

Does it make a difference in price to ship a pallet or less than a pallet?

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Quote from: imar2014 on April 27, 2014, 11:30:57 AM

Thats the nature of the beast these days and there is nothing we can do about it. ASIC manufacturers can make more money mining than they can selling their equipment...off bitmain topic, but wait for the KNC scrypt miners, KNC will mine with them until the LTC difficulty becomes so high, then offload them onto the customers with little to no hope of ROI...

They didn't do that with the Oct/Nov batches of Jupiters & Saturns. Why do you think they would with the scrypt ones?

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Quote from: rodeoclownicp on April 27, 2014, 09:03:23 AM

我是中国人。我有一个玩笑。我已经在你的可乐里撒尿。

Funny dude. But disgusting.

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Quote from: s1lverbox on April 27, 2014, 11:22:48 AM

Quote from: samsonn25 on April 27, 2014, 11:12:16 AM

Quote from: bobsag3 on April 27, 2014, 10:50:38 AM

Quote from: samsonn25 on April 27, 2014, 10:43:05 AM

Quote from: ivankoh on April 27, 2014, 10:35:00 AM

Why is bitmaintech selling s2 for usd2366 in china and sell internationally for usd3199?
http://www.cybtc.com/it618_scoremall-scoremall_page.html?pid=52

price drop soon?

Because it cost $600-700 to ship 2nd day air and there are custom charges too.

They dont get charged for customs as far as I know, and shipping a S2 from china doesnt cost nearly that much via UPS.

There are heavy customs charges for European customers.

You guys dont appreciate the 2nd day shipping service Bitmain provides, it cost almost the same to ship s1 as the actual cost to manufacture, so profit margins are slim.

For s2 I dont know the weight, say it is 14kg:

An example: ship to US.

$584 usd for 8am deliver, for end of day delivery is $494 usd. 2 day shipping.

Shipping USPS is cheaper but they dont have 2 day service, only 3-5 day and thats about $210.

Going to Europe and England is alot of customs duties.

PS. I had a small problem with one of my s1 before but since it still worked 100% I declined to ship it back for service because shipping would have cost a ton (even the slowest way), and I would have lost valuable time mining.

Thanks for your post. If all of it is true we have clear proof they using miners for more than just testing to cover costs.
And that's why miners are coming dusted, overclocked etc.
Sad only that bitmain posing as company who always deliver on time but actually doing same stuff as others. Mining with customers gear and than once they finish with it just passing to them.
I do like bitmain and im really pleased with their service but my last order was dissapointing experience.

Thats the nature of the beast these days and there is nothing we can do about it. ASIC manufacturers can make more money mining than they can selling their equipment...off bitmain topic, but wait for the KNC scrypt miners, KNC will mine with them until the LTC difficulty becomes so high, then offload them onto the customers with little to no hope of ROI...

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Quote from: s1lverbox on April 27, 2014, 11:22:48 AM

Quote from: samsonn25 on April 27, 2014, 11:12:16 AM

Quote from: bobsag3 on April 27, 2014, 10:50:38 AM

Quote from: samsonn25 on April 27, 2014, 10:43:05 AM

Quote from: ivankoh on April 27, 2014, 10:35:00 AM

Why is bitmaintech selling s2 for usd2366 in china and sell internationally for usd3199?
http://www.cybtc.com/it618_scoremall-scoremall_page.html?pid=52

price drop soon?

Because it cost $600-700 to ship 2nd day air and there are custom charges too.

They dont get charged for customs as far as I know, and shipping a S2 from china doesnt cost nearly that much via UPS.

There are heavy customs charges for European customers.

You guys dont appreciate the 2nd day shipping service Bitmain provides, it cost almost the same to ship s1 as the actual cost to manufacture, so profit margins are slim.

For s2 I dont know the weight, say it is 14kg:

An example: ship to US.

$584 usd for 8am deliver, for end of day delivery is $494 usd. 2 day shipping.

Shipping USPS is cheaper but they dont have 2 day service, only 3-5 day and thats about $210.

Going to Europe and England is alot of customs duties.

PS. I had a small problem with one of my s1 before but since it still worked 100% I declined to ship it back for service because shipping would have cost a ton (even the slowest way), and I would have lost valuable time mining.

Thanks for your post. If all of it is true we have clear proof they using miners for more than just testing to cover costs.
And that's why miners are coming dusted, overclocked etc.
Sad only that bitmain posing as company who always deliver on time but actually doing same stuff as others. Mining with customers gear and than once they finish with it just passing to them.
I do like bitmain and im really pleased with their service but my last order was dissapointing experience.

I think we cant say they are mining with customers gear unless they are using pre-order money. Unlike bfl and knc.

I guess it is their gear and they are allowing the public to buy some of it when it is available for purchase??

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Quote from: bobsag3 on April 27, 2014, 11:17:02 AM

Quote from: samsonn25 on April 27, 2014, 11:12:16 AM

Quote from: bobsag3 on April 27, 2014, 10:50:38 AM

Quote from: samsonn25 on April 27, 2014, 10:43:05 AM

Quote from: ivankoh on April 27, 2014, 10:35:00 AM

Why is bitmaintech selling s2 for usd2366 in china and sell internationally for usd3199?
http://www.cybtc.com/it618_scoremall-scoremall_page.html?pid=52

price drop soon?

Because it cost $600-700 to ship 2nd day air and there are custom charges too.

They dont get charged for customs as far as I know, and shipping a S2 from china doesnt cost nearly that much via UPS.

There are heavy customs charges for European customers.

You guys dont appreciate the 2nd day shipping service Bitmain provides, it cost almost the same to ship s1 as the actual cost to manufacture, so profit margins are slim.

For s2 I dont know the weight, say it is 14kg:

An example: ship to US.

$584 usd for 8am deliver, for end of day delivery is $494 usd. 2 day shipping.

Shipping USPS is cheaper but they dont have 2 day service, only 3-5 day and thats about $210.

Going to Europe and England is alot of customs duties.

Um.
I know exactly how much it costs to ship the S1/S2 from China to the US, I ve received well over 2k of them.
Also you cant get 2 day air from china, they use Express Saver witch is technically up to 3 business days but no guarantees. Bitmain doesnt pay the EU customs- its paid by the receiver.

Correct no 2 day.
I was also using retail rates.

Yes commercial has Big Discounted shipping. We had UPS too, I know there are alot of volume discounts especially for non-ground deliveries.

Shipping is a major cost though.

As to the original question why local market is slightly cheaper. Less hassle with shipping and tracking i guess. Or easier to wash the money. Im sure paying in rmb is more discount also.

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Quote from: samsonn25 on April 27, 2014, 11:12:16 AM

Quote from: bobsag3 on April 27, 2014, 10:50:38 AM

Quote from: samsonn25 on April 27, 2014, 10:43:05 AM

Quote from: ivankoh on April 27, 2014, 10:35:00 AM

Why is bitmaintech selling s2 for usd2366 in china and sell internationally for usd3199?
http://www.cybtc.com/it618_scoremall-scoremall_page.html?pid=52

price drop soon?

Because it cost $600-700 to ship 2nd day air and there are custom charges too.

They dont get charged for customs as far as I know, and shipping a S2 from china doesnt cost nearly that much via UPS.

There are heavy customs charges for European customers.

You guys dont appreciate the 2nd day shipping service Bitmain provides, it cost almost the same to ship s1 as the actual cost to manufacture, so profit margins are slim.

For s2 I dont know the weight, say it is 14kg:

An example: ship to US.

$584 usd for 8am deliver, for end of day delivery is $494 usd. 2 day shipping.

Shipping USPS is cheaper but they dont have 2 day service, only 3-5 day and thats about $210.

Going to Europe and England is alot of customs duties.

PS. I had a small problem with one of my s1 before but since it still worked 100% I declined to ship it back for service because shipping would have cost a ton (even the slowest way), and I would have lost valuable time mining.

Thanks for your post. If all of it is true we have clear proof they using miners for more than just testing to cover costs.
And that's why miners are coming dusted, overclocked etc.
Sad only that bitmain posing as company who always deliver on time but actually doing same stuff as others. Mining with customers gear and than once they finish with it just passing to them.
I do like bitmain and im really pleased with their service but my last order was dissapointing experience.

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