0.63 BTC is fair for the S1
4.5 BTC would be fair for the S2
4.5 BTC would be fair for the S2
I agree, that right now .63 BTC is fair for the S1, and just bought a few more.
Topic: ANTMINER S2 Discussion and Support Thread - page 131. (Read 355730 times)
I agree, that right now .63 BTC is fair for the S1, and just bought a few more.
either way, i could only go again if the coupon i never got was worth 1000USD not a lousy 100.
i also hear people complaining about them not honoring the coupons they give to customers.Bitmain just issued my coupon for a B2 unit - Ive never had issues with thier coupons (other than the seemingly random values and distribution frequency as they sometimes are not rewarded for weeks after a purchase, and othertimes only a day or two after - either way a coupon is a coupon!)
S1 makes far more sense than an S2 right now. about half the price for a TH, but at twice the wattage and about twice the space requirements (and no PSU).
0.63 BTC is fair for the S1
4.5 BTC would be fair for the S2
What is the value of your coupon, Klondike_Bar...? ...I didn't get any yet...
Thanks...
Sent me a used antminer S1. Manufacturer date was 1/14. Order date was 3/14. Fan and heat fins were dirty and covered with dust. The antminer had been used from the time of production to the sale date. The heat fins were also physically damaged. Both blades were not soldered properly and were separating from the base. I have included pics so you can see for yourself. I contacted Juan from 112bit and he was not helpful at all. He told me i am not the manufacturer contact bitmain. He no longer responds to my emails. If you have any problems he will brush you off and say im just a distributor i cant help you contact the manufacturer. Do not buy from 112bit or bitmain. 112bit is just a middle man and can't do anything but take your money. Bitmain is a chinese manufacturer. They have low standards for quality. They will not accept any responsibility for anything. All of the financial burden is on the buyer. They do not care about their customers. All they care about is mass production and sales. This has been an ongoing issue. I have returned the antimner and requested a refund due to the amount of mining time lost waiting for a replacement. I was told i pay return shipping and they will give me a refund when delivered. After the antminer arrived in china i was told they will not give me a full refund. I am responsible for the original shipping cost, return shipping cost, and import tax both ways. I have not been told how much of a refund i will receive but it will be around $200 less than what i paid. And to be perfectly honest, i have a feeling bitmain will come up with some BS excuse such as it was not returned in the original condition and they can not give me a refund or replacement. May god help you if you buy a S2 from them. They have jerked me and given me such a hard time over a S1 i can only imagine the nightmare you will have to go through to get any kind of support for the much more expensive S2.
Well I cant speak to Juan at 112bit as he was not much help he seems to be just sales agent no technical knowledge.... but bitmain has blown me off when ever they cost me mining time.....so I hae to agree with you they have turned into bigger turds than the avalon clone morons.
Me I just went Spondoles but I may still buy some ants if they give a good coupon they probably used but not sure I will sping unless the couplon is more than .02 that is really a slap in the face considering the poor serivice and no recourse purchasing.
How much would you pay for 1.54Th/s total? Looking to sell my 3-S1's and S2 Batch2 all with hosting soon...
either way, i could only go again if the coupon i never got was worth 1000USD not a lousy 100.
i also hear people complaining about them not honoring the coupons they give to customers.Bitmain just issued my coupon for a B2 unit - Ive never had issues with thier coupons (other than the seemingly random values and distribution frequency as they sometimes are not rewarded for weeks after a purchase, and othertimes only a day or two after - either way a coupon is a coupon!)
S1 makes far more sense than an S2 right now. about half the price for a TH, but at twice the wattage and about twice the space requirements (and no PSU).
0.63 BTC is fair for the S1
4.5 BTC would be fair for the S2
25% out of the biggest difficulty yet is something
From what i see on BitcoinWisdom it seems that we haven't reached or passed over 60k TH/s so the next difficulty jump after this one might be a very small one. Time will tell.you right if you compare biggest jumps. but history shows that 20% in real life is not that bad as later jumps are always smaller than predicted.
Right, because 20% of 60 penta is much more different than 20% of 1 penta.
another fairly cheap solution is to replace the power supply with something beefier. my personal recommendation (and what I did for myself) is to spend around $150 and purchase 2x of these 750w kits - http://www.gekkoscience.com/products/server_supply_breakout_board.html - and run them with power sharing pins and you have more than enough for the S2 (unless we figure how to overclock past 250mhz) and enough for 3 overclocked S1's. and if you have one of these power supplies go bad you can replace it for a cheap $25 from ebay. i keep an extra few on hand for myself anyway for rapid deployment for myself and customers. if you want more info on the maker of these you can read this thread - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/server-power-supply-interface-board-for-standalone-miners-and-gpu-rigs-379677
DISCLAIMER: I am in no way affiliated or compensated by sidehack for this recommendation. he has a decent product and i feel he should make money for his work and research.
EDIT: here's pictures of my setup
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/23772269/2x%20power%20supplies%20in%20tandem.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/23772269/top%20view%20case%20off.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/23772269/top%20view%20with%20case%20on.jpg
i have some of these boards and psu, what gauge wire did you use for the main lines? and what did you use for the current share pin to pin? i've been looking in vain for some time for a set of pin to pin female cables
i used 2 separate sets of 14AWG wire to connect the 2 PSUs together for current share. the current share pin to pin i used a cable that i pulled from an old Dell machine that has about 10 connectors on it (i just cut the actual connector so that it would only have 1 wire/connection on it to make it easier to connect and deal with).
buy this it is better then your idea
http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-SuperNOVA-1300G2-ATX12V-120-G2-1300-XR/dp/B00COIZTZM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1398345415&sr=8-1&keywords=evga+1300
and it will pull less power then your 2 will not to mention the shock>> short hazard is far less
either way, i could only go again if the coupon i never got was worth 1000USD not a lousy 100.
i also hear people complaining about them not honoring the coupons they give to customers.yeah so add this to the price
http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-SuperNOVA-1300G2-ATX12V-120-G2-1300-XR/dp/B00COIZTZM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1398345415&sr=8-1&keywords=evga+1300
and it is not worth the coin.
another fairly cheap solution is to replace the power supply with something beefier. my personal recommendation (and what I did for myself) is to spend around $150 and purchase 2x of these 750w kits - http://www.gekkoscience.com/products/server_supply_breakout_board.html - and run them with power sharing pins and you have more than enough for the S2 (unless we figure how to overclock past 250mhz) and enough for 3 overclocked S1's. and if you have one of these power supplies go bad you can replace it for a cheap $25 from ebay. i keep an extra few on hand for myself anyway for rapid deployment for myself and customers. if you want more info on the maker of these you can read this thread - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/server-power-supply-interface-board-for-standalone-miners-and-gpu-rigs-379677
DISCLAIMER: I am in no way affiliated or compensated by sidehack for this recommendation. he has a decent product and i feel he should make money for his work and research.
EDIT: here's pictures of my setup
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/23772269/2x%20power%20supplies%20in%20tandem.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/23772269/top%20view%20case%20off.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/23772269/top%20view%20with%20case%20on.jpg
i have some of these boards and psu, what gauge wire did you use for the main lines? and what did you use for the current share pin to pin? i've been looking in vain for some time for a set of pin to pin female cables
i used 2 separate sets of 14AWG wire to connect the 2 PSUs together for current share. the current share pin to pin i used a cable that i pulled from an old Dell machine that has about 10 connectors on it (i just cut the actual connector so that it would only have 1 wire/connection on it to make it easier to connect and deal with).
25% out of the biggest difficulty yet is something
From what i see on BitcoinWisdom it seems that we haven't reached or passed over 60k TH/s so the next difficulty jump after this one might be a very small one. Time will tell.you right if you compare biggest jumps. but history shows that 20% in real life is not that bad as later jumps are always smaller than predicted.
either way, i could only go again if the coupon i never got was worth 1000USD not a lousy 100.
i also hear people complaining about them not honoring the coupons they give to customers. Difficulty will change next week and looks like it will be huge.
i think no more than 25% which is not that huge.
there are still units which are not delivered yet, real diff jump will happen next 3 weeks time. this will be painfull
25% out of the biggest difficulty yet is something
From what i see on BitcoinWisdom it seems that we haven't reached or passed over 60k TH/s so the next difficulty jump after this one might be a very small one. Time will tell. Difficulty will change next week and looks like it will be huge.
i think no more than 25% which is not that huge.
there are still units which are not delivered yet, real diff jump will happen next 3 weeks time. this will be painfull
Sent me a used antminer S1. Manufacturer date was 1/14. Order date was 3/14. Fan and heat fins were dirty and covered with dust. The antminer had been used from the time of production to the sale date. The heat fins were also physically damaged. Both blades were not soldered properly and were separating from the base. I have included pics so you can see for yourself. I contacted Juan from 112bit and he was not helpful at all. He told me i am not the manufacturer contact bitmain. He no longer responds to my emails. If you have any problems he will brush you off and say im just a distributor i cant help you contact the manufacturer. Do not buy from 112bit or bitmain. 112bit is just a middle man and can't do anything but take your money. Bitmain is a chinese manufacturer. They have low standards for quality. They will not accept any responsibility for anything. All of the financial burden is on the buyer. They do not care about their customers. All they care about is mass production and sales. This has been an ongoing issue. I have returned the antimner and requested a refund due to the amount of mining time lost waiting for a replacement. I was told i pay return shipping and they will give me a refund when delivered. After the antminer arrived in china i was told they will not give me a full refund. I am responsible for the original shipping cost, return shipping cost, and import tax both ways. I have not been told how much of a refund i will receive but it will be around $200 less than what i paid. And to be perfectly honest, i have a feeling bitmain will come up with some BS excuse such as it was not returned in the original condition and they can not give me a refund or replacement. May god help you if you buy a S2 from them. They have jerked me and given me such a hard time over a S1 i can only imagine the nightmare you will have to go through to get any kind of support for the much more expensive S2.
Did it hash at the advertised rate, or was it DOA? Is BTC6.5 bad investment for batch 3?
I would sell all and buy 10 bit tech A1 clones for 4.4btc each.
S1 and S2 are dead by now. Impossible to ROI.
its also impossible to buy A1 clones if they are out of stock, no?
They said will be next week available.
Cmon, be serious, we have been preordering S2, we also lost coupons from the "supposed" soldout of S1.
Dont make like S1 , and S2, were always available!
I have 7 clones in my hands and will buy more next week.
I didnt see anybody 'make like S1/S2 were always available'
but i do see you claiming you will buy something that is out of stock, as though it was possible to do so.
anyway, lets not get tangled up in 'English'
i'd rather have an A1 than an S2.....shame theyre impossible to buy right now...if they were possible to buy Bitmain would 'have to' lower their prices, so perhaps thats why they decided to try and milk them while they were able.
I am sorry for my aggressive reply, but thought yours was ironic to my previous post.
Anyway, I am thinking of buying also the in stock Dragons, as pcfli sells now for $2750 for a single unit or $2700 for 3 to 5 units as an alternative.
I am not sure if I could wait for the $2200 of Bittech's next week.
Difficulty will change next week and looks like it will be huge.
Is BTC6.5 bad investment for batch 3?
IMHO yes...not a good investment...
Let's do some math... S1 is 0.831 BTC ...or $410-415 ( @112Bit as well)...
S2 is generally replicated 5 x S1 ...in a rack box ...10 blades vs 2 blades design...900Gh vs 1000Gh
So $410 x 5 = around $2,000 ...add 1 more blade ...around $2,100 ...all other parts, including PSU, case, LED etc are maybe another $100 at cost...$2,200...but they are saving of 4 controllers less...and they are not so cheap...
My guess is that In May we will see price in the $2,000 and a change range...
What do you think...? Am I missing something...?
Yes, you're missing "customer demand" in your equation. As long as enough people are willing to pay way more than something is worth, they will continue to sell it at a higher price.
Equals to retarded buyers.
Is BTC6.5 bad investment for batch 3?
IMHO yes...not a good investment...
Let's do some math... S1 is 0.831 BTC ...or $410-415 ( @112Bit as well)...
S2 is generally replicated 5 x S1 ...in a rack box ...10 blades vs 2 blades design...900Gh vs 1000Gh
So $410 x 5 = around $2,000 ...add 1 more blade ...around $2,100 ...all other parts, including PSU, case, LED etc are maybe another $100 at cost...$2,200...but they are saving of 4 controllers less...and they are not so cheap...
My guess is that In May we will see price in the $2,000 and a change range...
What do you think...? Am I missing something...?
Yes, you're missing "customer demand" in your equation. As long as enough people are willing to pay way more than something is worth, they will continue to sell it at a higher price.
Sent me a used antminer S1. Manufacturer date was 1/14. Order date was 3/14. Fan and heat fins were dirty and covered with dust. The antminer had been used from the time of production to the sale date. The heat fins were also physically damaged. Both blades were not soldered properly and were separating from the base. I have included pics so you can see for yourself. I contacted Juan from 112bit and he was not helpful at all. He told me i am not the manufacturer contact bitmain. He no longer responds to my emails. If you have any problems he will brush you off and say im just a distributor i cant help you contact the manufacturer. Do not buy from 112bit or bitmain. 112bit is just a middle man and can't do anything but take your money. Bitmain is a chinese manufacturer. They have low standards for quality. They will not accept any responsibility for anything. All of the financial burden is on the buyer. They do not care about their customers. All they care about is mass production and sales. This has been an ongoing issue. I have returned the antimner and requested a refund due to the amount of mining time lost waiting for a replacement. I was told i pay return shipping and they will give me a refund when delivered. After the antminer arrived in china i was told they will not give me a full refund. I am responsible for the original shipping cost, return shipping cost, and import tax both ways. I have not been told how much of a refund i will receive but it will be around $200 less than what i paid. And to be perfectly honest, i have a feeling bitmain will come up with some BS excuse such as it was not returned in the original condition and they can not give me a refund or replacement. May god help you if you buy a S2 from them. They have jerked me and given me such a hard time over a S1 i can only imagine the nightmare you will have to go through to get any kind of support for the much more expensive S2.
http://btcinvest.net/en/bitcoin-mining-profit-calculator.php?diff=6978842650&dcosts=3600&diff_mincrease=15&blpbtc=25&dhsmhs=1000000&diff_mincreasedecrease=0.1&btcusd=492.75&dpowcon=1000&btcusd_mincrease=0&pcost=0.2&calcweeks=15&dleadtime=1&action=calc
mine + sell (weekly payout) 4.97 ฿ 1640.42 $
mine + hold (final payout) 4.97 ฿ 1640.42 $
฿ buy-in only (and hold) 7.31 ฿ 3600 $
s2 will mine about 5 bitcoins till Q3/Q4
not worth to buy at this crazy price (especially with VAT and customs fee and lead time about 10 days...)
mine + sell (weekly payout) 4.97 ฿ 1640.42 $
mine + hold (final payout) 4.97 ฿ 1640.42 $
฿ buy-in only (and hold) 7.31 ฿ 3600 $
s2 will mine about 5 bitcoins till Q3/Q4
not worth to buy at this crazy price (especially with VAT and customs fee and lead time about 10 days...)
I disagree, I think s2 will mine about 3 btc in its lifetime, before electricity costs (24kw per day).
Any chance in hardware ?
I did use it side by side with S1, and S1 have ~40C while S2 have 60C+. As an item with 15+ weight and 60C+, its really good AC and exhaust fan so I turn mine to max. Right now I use AC with 2 PK work with 1500+ watt just to cooling S2 and I dont think I can put more than two S2 in the same room, or atleast I should bought another AC...
I did use it side by side with S1, and S1 have ~40C while S2 have 60C+. As an item with 15+ weight and 60C+, its really good AC and exhaust fan so I turn mine to max. Right now I use AC with 2 PK work with 1500+ watt just to cooling S2 and I dont think I can put more than two S2 in the same room, or atleast I should bought another AC...
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