[Archive] BFL trolling museum - page 33.

greyhawk

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Quote from: shwoop on January 14, 2013, 08:31:17 AM

Then why does everyone care about an empty box?
As i said, they can say "look, here's a box where we house 12 of them to make it more convenient in larger scales" while showing off their mock up single.
I presume their target audience at CES isn't the Bitcoin community so this would probably be adequate.
Actually screwing in and gluing multiple layers of singles just to have a shiny copper cube seems like a waste of time (IMHO).

It's called marketing. You don't exhibit an empty box unless you're a manufacturer of empty boxes.

Hell, they could have put in 12 packets of Walker crisps and a sticky note reading "With special greetings to our detractors".

At least it would have been funny.

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Quote from: becoin on January 14, 2013, 06:57:43 AM

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Quote from: nathanrees19 on January 14, 2013, 06:34:55 AM

They're refunding anyone who asks...

No, they don't. They do not honor full BTC refunds.

If you mean that you paid 100btc 6 months ago and intend to receive 100btc today ... go astray, do not be a hustler.

No, I do not intend. I WANT! Because I've the right to receive the refund in the currency and amount I had originally paid!!!

BFL didn't ask me to pay US dollar, they asked me to pay BTC. I did what they ask me to do. I've send the EXACT amount BTC to the EXACT BTC address they specified.

Greedy fucks are greedy

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Quote from: Frizz23 on January 14, 2013, 07:34:10 AM

Quote from: bitmar on January 14, 2013, 07:17:45 AM

...but serial production without a prototype is not practiced anywhere in the electronics industry. Empty box only confirms they don't have chips in production.

Exactly! They could have shown at least one working ASIC chip at CES. At least one single Jalapeno hashing ...

They didn't, which means they don't have a working prototype. Which means:
a) going into mass production without a working prototype is suicide.
or
b) they never intended to ship a product and it's all a scam.

Funny. That's exactly what Inaba of Butterflylabs told Bitsyncom of Avalon ASIC yesterday:

Quote from: Inaba on January 13, 2013, 12:09:47 PM

Seems to me, if you had a working test product, you'd have shown it by now, but maybe not. Seems silly, though...
if you wanted to be the first, you would show your working prototype, that would qualify you as first at this point.

What possible reason could you have for not showing a working unit 6 days before you are scheduled to ship?

Quote from: Inaba on January 13, 2013, 12:41:35 PM

I don't care. You are here, in the BFL thread trolling and you won't even demo a working product 5 days before you are shipping.

Seems like a crazy way go about things, but whatever man.

Like I said, if you're delayed, your project is dead and I believe you know this.

I hope you aren't rushing things just to be first and shipping a brick in a box that fails to perform or breaks in a month.

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Quote from: greyhawk on January 14, 2013, 06:53:45 AM

That's what I don't get. Why the hell not just stick some FPGAs in there, hook them up to the Nexus and go "It's an FPGA rig now, but we'll have ASICs soon." Much better than a box of fans and space(rs).

Or, heck, just take some PCBs, mount them (aside from the ASIC of course), glue some heatsinks on them and stick that in there. "It's not running yet, but boy will it be good when it's done". Nope, better show of a box of fans.

I'm guessing if they did that all the HERPA DERPS around here would be like...
"DUH WHY IT ONLY HASHING AT 30GIGAHASHESWHATZITS"

The fuckers can't win not matter what they do.

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Quote from: greyhawk on January 14, 2013, 08:23:10 AM

Quote from: shwoop on January 14, 2013, 08:14:18 AM

My question is wither or not the single/jally boxes at CES are equally empty.

Nope.

Which makes the Big Box of Emptyness^TM all the more absurd

What you see cost a few $... to be won in this game is a few million dollars

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Quote from: bitmar on January 14, 2013, 06:41:45 AM

LOL, that made me laugh. Not seen that one before Cheesy

shwoop

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Quote from: greyhawk on January 14, 2013, 08:23:10 AM

Quote from: shwoop on January 14, 2013, 08:14:18 AM

My question is wither or not the single/jally boxes at CES are equally empty.

Nope.

Which makes the Big Box of Emptyness^TM all the more absurd

Then why does everyone care about an empty box?
As i said, they can say "look, here's a box where we house 12 of them to make it more convenient in larger scales" while showing off their mock up single.
I presume their target audience at CES isn't the Bitcoin community so this would probably be adequate.
Actually screwing in and gluing multiple layers of singles just to have a shiny copper cube seems like a waste of time (IMHO).

greyhawk

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Quote from: shwoop on January 14, 2013, 08:14:18 AM

My question is wither or not the single/jally boxes at CES are equally empty.

Nope.

Which makes the Big Box of Emptyness^TM all the more absurd

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Quote from: shwoop on January 14, 2013, 08:14:18 AM

I'm not under the impression they have ASIC chips [that work].

Here's an interview with Josh from BFLs website where he says that they don't have ASICs yet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZUPniBo5UQ#t=04m30s

David Perry: "So this is just a case ... you don't actually have ASICs ready?"
Josh: "Um... right ... but we are eagerly awaiting them as everybody else I'm sure ..."

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Quote from: the_thing on January 14, 2013, 08:09:08 AM

Quote from: shwoop on January 14, 2013, 08:02:29 AM

Regarding the "box of fans": if they have a single with full guts I don't see how them simply stating "This is our Larger model. It has multiple copies of this little guy [point to single] plugged into a usb hub and this monitoring tablet [point to nexus] all in a neat little box." is a bad thing.

If they had a single, they would show it.

As i said, the singles were shown in Bitcoin Magazine months ago.
I'm not under the impression they have ASIC chips [that work].
My question is wither or not the single/jally boxes at CES are equally empty.

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Quote from: shwoop on January 14, 2013, 08:02:29 AM

Regarding the "box of fans": if they have a single with full guts I don't see how them simply stating "This is our Larger model. It has multiple copies of this little guy [point to single] plugged into a usb hub and this monitoring tablet [point to nexus] all in a neat little box." is a bad thing.

If they had a single, they would show it.

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Quote from: PuertoLibre on January 14, 2013, 04:59:33 AM

You amuse easily, like a circus monkey.

Thats what ya mum said, when I laughed at her Trainwreck of a Vagina

o.0

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Does anyone have a picture of an opened single from CES?

I'm interested if these are also empty cases or mock ups like what was printed in Bitcoin magazine.

Regarding the "box of fans": if they have a single with full guts I don't see how them simply stating "This is our Larger model. It has multiple copies of this little guy [point to single] plugged into a usb hub and this monitoring tablet [point to nexus] all in a neat little box." is a bad thing.

As I understand it BFL are making singles.
The rest of the product line are just variations where: they use less chips to make the mini single, they use even less chips(one?) and no heat sink for the jally and just plug together multiple singles to make the minirig.

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Quote from: Frizz23 on January 14, 2013, 07:34:10 AM

Quote from: bitmar on January 14, 2013, 07:17:45 AM

...but serial production without a prototype is not practiced anywhere in the electronics industry. Empty box only confirms they don't have chips in production.

Exactly! They could have shown at least one working ASIC chip at CES. At least one single Jalapeno hashing ...

They didn't, which means they don't have a working prototype. Which means:
a) going into mass production without a working prototype is suicide.
or
b) they never intended to ship a product and it's all a scam.

I am sure after reading these posts by BFL prototype will miraculously appears on BFL forum or Youtube and it will be a little more reliable than: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4wFkhafEdA&feature=youtu.be. They probably already starting to modify cgminer, to show phantom hashrate....Oh I forgot, it's unnecessary, they have FPGA Wink

It is also possible that the prototype is a business secret as most embarrassing questions asked by customers Wink

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Quote from: BR0KK on January 14, 2013, 07:31:57 AM

Argumentation for BFL Lawyer will be simple:

This Address is certainly not ours..... sue Bitpay for your BTC?

Wrong.
I do not have anything in common with BitPay. I was refered there by BFL as part of the check out process! BitPay is just a payment gateway used by BFL that can be setup in accordance with all merchant preferences.

What does BFL lawyer actually say is - "Don't ask our customers for the refund. Go to the credit card processor"... Laughable!

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Quote from: Frizz23 on January 14, 2013, 07:34:10 AM

Quote from: bitmar on January 14, 2013, 07:17:45 AM

...but serial production without a prototype is not practiced anywhere in the electronics industry. Empty box only confirms they don't have chips in production.

Exactly! They could have shown at least one working ASIC chip at CES. At least one single Jalapeno hashing ...

They didn't, which means they don't have a working prototype. Which means:
a) going into mass production without a working prototype is suicide.
or
b) they never intended to ship a product and it's all a scam.

Yes they could, at leas that would calm us "TROLLS" down somehow (a bit). Even if its not working at full potential. They could say "Not on its full potential ", "down clocked for Prototyping", "not final packaging", "clockbuffers need to be added (again)" and so forth....

I would be standing on the CES and screaming and dancing with nothing than ASIC as my clothes: SUCKAZ TOLD YOU SO AND YOU AINT GONNA GET ONE BECAUSE IM MAD !!!!!

BUT hey he has a case .....

Maybe they already ran last year and nobody told that "I'm not the PR" Guy

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Quote from: bitmar on January 14, 2013, 07:17:45 AM

...but serial production without a prototype is not practiced anywhere in the electronics industry. Empty box only confirms they don't have chips in production.

Exactly! They could have shown at least one working ASIC chip at CES. At least one single Jalapeno hashing ...

They didn't, which means they don't have a working prototype. Which means:
a) going into mass production without a working prototype is suicide.
or
b) they never intended to ship a product and it's all a scam.

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Quote from: becoin on January 14, 2013, 07:23:08 AM

Quote from: BR0KK on January 14, 2013, 07:10:28 AM

And you used a service to transfer BTC to $..... they received USD....

NO!!!
I did not use a service to transfer USD to BTC. BFL did use it! BitPay is doing currency conversion on behalf of BFL, not me! I don't have any contract with BitPay! BFL have! BFL have the FULL control what % of the BTC they want converted in USD!

Argumentation for BFL Lawyer will be simple:

This Address is certainly not ours..... sue Bitpay for your BTC?

Come on, no one can be that stupid not to know this beforehand ordering. On their website you can preorder your "CASE WITH FANS AND BOLTS" and choose to pay with BTC. All values are denominated in USD $ not BTC. You will be redirected to bitpay (escrow) and they'll recieve your BTC (NOT BFL). Bitpay is then sending fixed USD $ to BFL.

You choose this service, you accept their Agreement of Terms (AGB Allgemeine Geschäfts Bedungungen in german)....

Maybe you could argue that you are not responsible for your decisions because of ....?

I would advise to get your money out fast. Even if you get less BTC then you paid (meaning conversion from USD value "now" to BTC "now"). You should be able to sue them later for the rest .....

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Quote from: BR0KK on January 14, 2013, 07:10:28 AM

And you used a service to transfer BTC to $..... they received USD....

NO!!!
I did not use a service to transfer USD to BTC. BFL did use it! BitPay is doing currency conversion on behalf of BFL, not me! I don't have any contract with BitPay! BFL have! BFL have the FULL control what % of the BTC they want converted in USD!

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Quote from: becoin on January 14, 2013, 07:16:09 AM

Quote from: nathanrees19 on January 14, 2013, 07:04:26 AM

Quote from: becoin on January 14, 2013, 06:57:43 AM

BFL didn't ask me to pay US dollar

Sorry, they actually did. Their website shows US dollars on the home page. The order page doesn't even show a BTC amount immediately when you click BTC...there is no BTC sales price. The conversion is automatic and after you've picked what you want to order and agreed to the USD price.

Sorry, they don't. You wanted a screenshot that there is a BTC price on the ivoice I was presented during check out. I gave it to you. You wanted an explanation how paying in BTC is different to paying for instance with GBP. I have explained it to you. I don't see what else can I do for you? BFL cheerleaders have their own agenda and no arguments matter!

I do not care what BFL will do with the BTC after I've sent them. I've no control on that and certainly this is BFL's choice what % of the BTC they want converted in USD and what % of currency exchange risk they want to bear?

You should probably contact your lawyer about that. And videotape the conversation.

I would pay good money to see that.

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