Topic: ASICMINER Auction: 50 Block Erupter Blades CHECK OP FOR PAYMENT - page 22. (Read 138630 times)

Quote from: WinVery.com on April 30, 2013, 10:33:38 AM

I made it very clear I wanted to pay immediately, and was not provided that option.
That is why I both had my bid rescinded and will not be blacklisted.
That part needs to be clear.
Secondly, I made one(1) bid, and it was the last bid.
I drove nothing up.
Thirdly, as I have demonstrated in this thread, I had the money ready to pay.

You did not honor a binding bid - full stop.

I was not provided the means to do so, and still have not been. Bottom line.

Are you joking? Payment instruction are and were in the OP. The address to which you have to pay is the following: 1GfYjwX4uGQYDbqRtHYWMxCrMaVVWqK9DZ

You can check it by yourself here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Al1fvFT7Sd5bdFhLaW9Lb05GT252UERSbkhJdm8yeHc#gid=0

I see that now, but the point is that information needs to be provided immediately.

If you cannot even bother to read the rules of the auction before you place a bid, then why would anyone trust you to follow the rules of the gambling games you run?

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Quote from: drawingthesun on April 30, 2013, 10:40:27 AM

Quote from: SebastianJu on April 30, 2013, 10:09:31 AM

Quote from: drawingthesun on April 30, 2013, 09:51:04 AM

Quote from: Rampion on April 30, 2013, 09:47:42 AM

Quote from: SebastianJu on April 30, 2013, 10:09:31 AM

if someone can't pay within 24 hours just have a look who is next beyond the cutoff and sell it them if they are still interested.

"if they are still interested"? WTF?

BIDS ARE BINDING. Or what kind of joke auctions are we having here?

Not if you lost. Once you know your not a winner nothing is binding. You can reuse your funds to do what ever you want. Its up to the auction master to make sure people bidding have the funds and are trustworthy. If a winner fails to pay you can't start forcing losers to pay. The losers have probably moved on.

A loser that takes the place for someone that didnt pay is not forced to pay. Thats the rule in real world too. For example with ebay. There was a scam running where scammers did the following. A motorcycle that was worth 1000 should be bought. The buyer set 300 and then with another account set 2000. The seller was happy until the bid of 2000 is withdrawn. The old price 300 is the endprice then. Seller very unhappy. And no other bidder was able to bid higher because of the 2000 bid. The buyer then comes with a bunch of thugs and wants to take the motorcycle.
The seller now dont have to sell it for 300 because there is no binding contract between these two. He can but he dont have to.

Yeah, we are in agreement.

Ill want to say that a losing bidder cant be forced to buy and the seller isnt forced to sell to a losing buyer. And bids that are withdrawn are a problem because they can be used to scam. It didnt happen here, though i dont know why bidding on something you can pay and then dont pay.

This is true, however someone that lost might have decided to use their funds for something else because they are no longer the winner. I was just detailing that possibility.

Even worse still, the value of closed bids could have been allowed to fluctuate in between them being made and paid...

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Quote from: Rampion on April 30, 2013, 10:39:20 AM

Quote from: WinVery.com on April 30, 2013, 10:37:21 AM

Quote from: WinVery.com on April 30, 2013, 10:33:38 AM

I made it very clear I wanted to pay immediately, and was not provided that option.

That is why I both had my bid rescinded and will not be blacklisted.

That part needs to be clear.

Secondly, I made one(1) bid, and it was the last bid.

I drove nothing up.

Thirdly, as I have demonstrated in this thread, I had the money ready to pay.

You did not honor a binding bid - full stop.

I was not provided the means to do so, and still have not been. Bottom line.

Are you joking? Payment instruction are and were in the OP. The address to which you have to pay is the following: 1GfYjwX4uGQYDbqRtHYWMxCrMaVVWqK9DZ

You can check it by yourself here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Al1fvFT7Sd5bdFhLaW9Lb05GT252UERSbkhJdm8yeHc#gid=0

I see that now, but the point is that information needs to be provided immediately.

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Quote from: SebastianJu on April 30, 2013, 10:09:31 AM

Quote from: drawingthesun on April 30, 2013, 09:51:04 AM

Quote from: Rampion on April 30, 2013, 09:47:42 AM

Quote from: SebastianJu on April 30, 2013, 10:09:31 AM

if someone can't pay within 24 hours just have a look who is next beyond the cutoff and sell it them if they are still interested.

"if they are still interested"? WTF?

BIDS ARE BINDING. Or what kind of joke auctions are we having here?

Not if you lost. Once you know your not a winner nothing is binding. You can reuse your funds to do what ever you want. Its up to the auction master to make sure people bidding have the funds and are trustworthy. If a winner fails to pay you can't start forcing losers to pay. The losers have probably moved on.

A loser that takes the place for someone that didnt pay is not forced to pay. Thats the rule in real world too. For example with ebay. There was a scam running where scammers did the following. A motorcycle that was worth 1000 should be bought. The buyer set 300 and then with another account set 2000. The seller was happy until the bid of 2000 is withdrawn. The old price 300 is the endprice then. Seller very unhappy. And no other bidder was able to bid higher because of the 2000 bid. The buyer then comes with a bunch of thugs and wants to take the motorcycle.
The seller now dont have to sell it for 300 because there is no binding contract between these two. He can but he dont have to.

Yeah, we are in agreement.

Ill want to say that a losing bidder cant be forced to buy and the seller isnt forced to sell to a losing buyer. And bids that are withdrawn are a problem because they can be used to scam. It didnt happen here, though i dont know why bidding on something you can pay and then dont pay.

This is true, however someone that lost might have decided to use their funds for something else because they are no longer the winner. I was just detailing that possibility.

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Quote from: WinVery.com on April 30, 2013, 10:37:21 AM

Quote from: WinVery.com on April 30, 2013, 10:33:38 AM

I made it very clear I wanted to pay immediately, and was not provided that option.

That is why I both had my bid rescinded and will not be blacklisted.

That part needs to be clear.

Secondly, I made one(1) bid, and it was the last bid.

I drove nothing up.

Thirdly, as I have demonstrated in this thread, I had the money ready to pay.

You did not honor a binding bid - full stop.

I was not provided the means to do so, and still have not been. Bottom line.

Are you joking? Payment instruction are and were in the OP. The address to which you have to pay is the following: 1GfYjwX4uGQYDbqRtHYWMxCrMaVVWqK9DZ

You can check it by yourself here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Al1fvFT7Sd5bdFhLaW9Lb05GT252UERSbkhJdm8yeHc#gid=0

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Quote from: WinVery.com on April 30, 2013, 10:33:38 AM

I made it very clear I wanted to pay immediately, and was not provided that option.

That is why I both had my bid rescinded and will not be blacklisted.

That part needs to be clear.

Secondly, I made one(1) bid, and it was the last bid.

I drove nothing up.

Thirdly, as I have demonstrated in this thread, I had the money ready to pay.

You did not honor a binding bid - full stop.

I was not provided the means to do so, and still have not been. Bottom line.

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Quote from: WinVery.com on April 30, 2013, 10:33:38 AM

I made it very clear I wanted to pay immediately, and was not provided that option.

That is why I both had my bid rescinded and will not be blacklisted.

That part needs to be clear.

Secondly, I made one(1) bid, and it was the last bid.

I drove nothing up.

Thirdly, as I have demonstrated in this thread, I had the money ready to pay.

You did not honor a binding bid - full stop.

WinVery.com

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I made it very clear I wanted to pay immediately, and was not provided that option.

That is why I both had my bid rescinded and will not be blacklisted.

That part needs to be clear.

Secondly, I made one(1) bid, and it was the last bid.

I drove nothing up.

Thirdly, as I have demonstrated in this thread, I had the money ready to pay.

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Quote from: drawingthesun on April 30, 2013, 10:02:00 AM

Quote from: kibblesnbits on April 30, 2013, 10:14:02 AM

So let's open a scam accusation for winvery? Could a participant to this auction do it, as offended part?

I think we should wait until John comes online.

Unfortunately there was no rule stopping people from buying and immediately reselling, so if winvery pays in 24 hours then he shouldn't get a scammer tag.

winvery still has 4 hours left to pay his amount.

I don't have as much of a problem if he paid and immediately resold. Dick move, but it's his right as a winning bidder. He flat out refused to pay after winning two units.

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if someone can't pay within 24 hours just have a look who is next beyond the cutoff and sell it them if they are still interested.

Here's the problem with that. I see the lowest set of bids going for 50. I bid for X number of units at say, 60. This pushes some of the low bidders out, forcing them to either quit or place a new higher bid. Now the auction is over, I win with my 60 but quit without paying. Those X number of units are now awarded to the bidder that was at the bottom of the winners list at the low bid price.

All kinds of shenanigans when you play that game.

This is why bids are binding - you don't honor your bid (or you don't honor the winner of an auction) - you get immediately a scammer tag and you are blacklisted for future auctions. That's the only way to keep this serious. And this is why you cannot edit posts in these subforums.

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Quote from: drawingthesun on April 30, 2013, 09:51:04 AM

if someone can't pay within 24 hours just have a look who is next beyond the cutoff and sell it them if they are still interested.

Here's the problem with that. I see the lowest set of bids going for 50. I bid for X number of units at say, 60. This pushes some of the low bidders out, forcing them to either quit or place a new higher bid. Now the auction is over, I win with my 60 but quit without paying. Those X number of units are now awarded to the bidder that was at the bottom of the winners list at the low bid price.

All kinds of shenanigans when you play that game.

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I'm more interested on the status of the shipping.

I have sent my details and BTC, but I didn't get any update in quite a while.

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You do not need a mod to do that. You open a thread in the scam accusation thread, and then mods decide.

Anyhow, I think there should be also a general discussion about what to do with those that do not honor their bids, and also about the auctioneers that do not honor the winners (like in this case: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/wts-avalon-batch-3-91xx-93xx-182343). I repeat myself: if manipulating auctions is free, this subforum becomes a joke.

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Quote from: Rampion on April 30, 2013, 09:47:42 AM

if someone can't pay within 24 hours just have a look who is next beyond the cutoff and sell it them if they are still interested.

"if they are still interested"? WTF?

BIDS ARE BINDING. Or what kind of joke auctions are we having here?

Not if you lost. Once you know your not a winner nothing is binding. You can reuse your funds to do what ever you want. Its up to the auction master to make sure people bidding have the funds and are trustworthy. If a winner fails to pay you can't start forcing losers to pay. The losers have probably moved on.

A loser that takes the place for someone that didnt pay is not forced to pay. Thats the rule in real world too. For example with ebay. There was a scam running where scammers did the following. A motorcycle that was worth 1000 should be bought. The buyer set 300 and then with another account set 2000. The seller was happy until the bid of 2000 is withdrawn. The old price 300 is the endprice then. Seller very unhappy. And no other bidder was able to bid higher because of the 2000 bid. The buyer then comes with a bunch of thugs and wants to take the motorcycle.
The seller now dont have to sell it for 300 because there is no binding contract between these two. He can but he dont have to.

Ill want to say that a losing bidder cant be forced to buy and the seller isnt forced to sell to a losing buyer. And bids that are withdrawn are a problem because they can be used to scam. It didnt happen here, though i dont know why bidding on something you can pay and then dont pay.

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hi

why don't you sell the blades on bitmit.net?

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So let's open a scam accusation for winvery? Could a participant to this auction do it, as offended part?

I would do it but I do not know how. I have been trying to see how many posts in the auction he made because that is what makes me the most mad (thinking that 1/3 of all bids may have been by people like him that were just messing around and meanwhile people like me could not follow what the new price really was).

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So let's open a scam accusation for winvery? Could a participant to this auction do it, as offended part?

I think we should wait until John comes online.

Unfortunately there was no rule stopping people from buying and immediately reselling, so if winvery pays in 24 hours then he shouldn't get a scammer tag.

winvery still has 4 hours left to pay his amount.

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