Topic: ASICMINER Speculation Thread - page 110. (Read 808847 times)

He-he you guys you should go hang out in meta sometime  
(Also moderation can be pretty weird here the ripple thread is still not locked)

That's fucking disgusting. You'd make an implied death threat, than later play it off as something you "weren't serious" about? The person on the other end of your threats has no gauge of your intentions.

And you misunderstand my position. I'd love nothing more than to see moderators restore some civility around here, since I wouldn't be defending my person every time I make an argument about ASICMiner, and since people making threats of violence would receive the appropriate bans.

Um, I wasn't really serious about the bat. I was serious about the drive, but things appear to have started moving and I have no intention on spending $80 on gas.

Also: your logical fallacy is tu quoque - you attempted to critique me instead of answering the criticism.

I remember you from raginazn628's other thread.


Threats of physical violence are fine, but this thread needs a moderator.

This is exactly what I mean about the viciousness and vitriol in this community.

Can we get a moderator in here please?

nice one...instead of discussing fundamentals of AsicMiner let's discuss fundamentals of vycid.
it's ridiculous how centralized this thread got.

guys, seriously...get a room. this is going nowhere

How would you draw that distinction? I've beaten the market every year for the past 5 years, which is incredibly rare even among professionals (I do not dismiss the element of luck as a major factor, but I think it's a little silly to believe it was the only thing involved). I have been paid to invest for others in the past.

No, I am not currently employed as an analyst.

However, given the context of that post - which is extremely important - it is clear that the definition intended is this one:

amateur: a person considered contemptibly inept at a particular activity.

and not this one

amateur: a person who engages in a pursuit, esp. a sport, on an unpaid basis.

On that basis, no. I am not an amateur analyst. This "contemptibly inept" person has made a lot of money on ASICMiner derivatives, otherwise.

But you are an amateur analyist are you not?

Yep, I play ball. You attack my person, I hit back.

I'm not a "turn the other cheek" guy. The other ass cheek, maybe.

That is an attack on my credibility. There's no other way about it.

The use of the word "vicious" was in the context of the community, not that particular attack:


And considering that I have received many, many personal attacks at this point, it doesn't seem outlandish at all. Others have observed the same about this community's disposition.

Let's not get revisionist here.

With any degree of accuracy, I can only say anything other than accuracy.

I can't speak for you, but if I thought I had to manufacture reasons to be bearish, yes maybe I actually be short too, I think. 

I'll third that "vicious personal attack" where you were referred to as an "amateur analyist".

And what do you suppose is the primary one?

Do you think I actually be short if I had to manufacture reasons to be bearish?

If you're referring to "something else" here, the placement is awfully convenient.

Accuracy is a secondary objective in other places too.

My co-workers do not make a habit of personal attacks, do not malign my credibility or my ability to reason, and give due consideration to my opinions and arguments.

That goes both ways, I should add. I have the privilege of working with some of the smartest folks around. Incredible things happen in this industry. We are doing things today that were widely considered impossible little more than a decade ago.


Apple IS #1 in market cap. I would not dispute that point, since it is a matter of record, and since I can look it up just as easily as you can. As of the close of the NYSE today, Apple had a market cap of $408,932,669,640, and Exxon a market cap of $ 390,292,681,864.

However, Apple IS NOT the biggest company by any measure that could be considered a measure of "bigness". Not in terms of revenue, profit, employees, square footage, whatever. It only is the most VALUABLE company, based on the shares outstanding and the market price of those shares.

It should surprise nobody that a company with such a truly exceptional profit margin is so valuable. If there was a one-man operation where a wizard manufactured 25,000,000 2,500,000 barrels of oil a day using nothing but his mind, and that company was publicly traded, that company would likely be the most valuable on Earth. You claim that would make it the biggest. I say you are wrong.

It was disingenuous for Aedius to use market cap as the metric for "biggest company" and then cite its profit margins, as if market cap and profit margins are unrelated. That was the point of the by-revenue rankings, which are much less correlated.


Third sentence of that article (did you read it?): "Many headlines have since proclaimed that Apple has broken a record for the most valuable company ever."

The headline of this article was supposed to be attention-grabbing. Accuracy is sometimes a secondary objective in journalism, sadly.


Have you considered how it reflects on your emotional health that you would jump at the opportunity to participate in someone else's personal attacks?

It's probably true that this experience is bad for my health, to be honest. This is a vicious, vitriolic community. Contrarian opinions - usually met with forthright and honest discourse in healthy, balanced circumstances - are instead met with ridicule and disdain. Bitcoin is riddled with infighting, unnecessary hostility, close-mindedness and tinfoil thinking, which is, on reflection, not good for the outlook of the whole ecosystem.

Edit: I got a little carried away with that oil-wizard thought experiment, since 25 million barrels a day would also give that operation the biggest revenue. 2.5 million barrels is a better example.

gen 2 could be ahead of schedule, or gen 1.5 is about to arrive... 

The last payment from franchisees shows that they have something like ~11TH. So, given that AM seems to mine at 30~40TH, it remains around 50TH overall as before (the small difference could be due to some hardware being moved). But I agree they seem to make some empty space at the moment, otherwise there is no reason to move hardware to franchisee since they earn necessarily less than if you mine yourself. The reason for this empty space (or volontarily low hash), remains a mystery atm, though. (gen2 is too far to be the reason).

Has anyone estimated the hashrate using what we know is solo, and the estimated franchise payments?

I don't think we know the exact details of the franchising percentages....they must make a bigger portion than ASICMiner gets.

I'm just wondering if the overall hashrate has actually increased behind the scene's with all these franchisors distributing the load quietly and solo mining appearing to stagnate or even drop.

Maybe it's at 150% already and we don't know it because it's all being done off-site. 

many had tried to estimate value of AM. About a month after AM started hashing, they said 0.4 a share was crazy price and they miserably missed the bus. Which one has more risk to buy, now or at that time ?

yes, and also, current hardware is better sold than to mine with, really.