ASICMINER Speculation Thread - page 149.

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Quote from: velacreations on August 14, 2013, 03:47:46 PM

Quote from: chriswilmer on August 14, 2013, 03:31:16 PM

Hmm... I kind of assumed that the resellers would buy from AM and then resell (hence it is a "re" sell). Do you think that AsicMiner is only getting the profits after the customer buys a blade from the reseller?

I think resellers have minimum orders, and those funds are released to the dividends once those orders are shipped. I don't know how many units have been shipped, but I doubt everything has shipped out.

This - I think that only a small part of the hardware sale funds are in yet so far. We'll have to wait 1-2 weeks before they're actually sent to the div wallet I guess...

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Quote from: chriswilmer on August 14, 2013, 03:31:16 PM

Hmm... I kind of assumed that the resellers would buy from AM and then resell (hence it is a "re" sell). Do you think that AsicMiner is only getting the profits after the customer buys a blade from the reseller?

I think resellers have minimum orders, and those funds are released to the dividends once those orders are shipped. I don't know how many units have been shipped, but I doubt everything has shipped out.

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Quote from: velacreations on August 14, 2013, 03:26:28 PM

Quote from: chriswilmer on August 14, 2013, 03:22:39 PM

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Quote from: ning on August 14, 2013, 12:49:41 PM

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well, the blades profits are obviously not in there, which means next week should be great.

how are you sure the blade profits are not in there? what's the math behind this?

the reasoning being that the group buy wallets still have funds, and haven't closed, yet

it might include some blade sales, but certainly not all that are out there.

Blades were announced for sale on Sunday, so that's just 3 days, anyways. I doubt that's enough time to get every paid and shipped on FC's end.

Hmm... I kind of assumed that the resellers would buy from AM and then resell (hence it is a "re" sell). Do you think that AsicMiner is only getting the profits after the customer buys a blade from the reseller?

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Quote from: chriswilmer on August 14, 2013, 03:22:39 PM

Quote from: velacreations on August 14, 2013, 03:19:50 PM

Quote from: ning on August 14, 2013, 12:49:41 PM

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well, the blades profits are obviously not in there, which means next week should be great.

how are you sure the blade profits are not in there? what's the math behind this?

the reasoning being that the group buy wallets still have funds, and haven't closed, yet

it might include some blade sales, but certainly not all that are out there.

Blades were announced for sale on Sunday, so that's just 3 days, anyways. I doubt that's enough time to get every paid and shipped on FC's end.

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Quote from: velacreations on August 14, 2013, 03:19:50 PM

Quote from: ning on August 14, 2013, 12:49:41 PM

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well, the blades profits are obviously not in there, which means next week should be great.

how are you sure the blade profits are not in there? what's the math behind this?

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Quote from: ning on August 14, 2013, 12:49:41 PM

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well, the blades profits are obviously not in there, which means next week should be great.

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Quote from: VeeMiner on August 14, 2013, 02:18:50 PM

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Quote from: ning on August 14, 2013, 12:49:41 PM

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funny thing is that laboratory, alaska, orchard speculators have nothing and we have more bitcoins than yesterday

cause we bought the only security worth having nowadays

true dat. ASICMINER is the only one you can count on

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Quote from: ning on August 14, 2013, 12:49:41 PM

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Pretty decent I say. Expecting a little higher, but this clearly shows the GB payments haven't been included in this. There's atleast 4000 BTC worth of GB on the front page of hardware->group buy section for this past week.

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Quote from: bbxx on August 14, 2013, 12:56:47 PM

Quote from: ning on August 14, 2013, 12:49:41 PM

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funny thing is that laboratory, alaska, orchard speculators have nothing and we have more bitcoins than yesterday

cause we bought the only security worth having nowadays

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Quote from: FNG on August 14, 2013, 01:58:45 PM

Why is DMS.whateverthefuck being discussed in this thread?

Just wondering how AM will respond to such competition.

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Why is DMS.whateverthefuck being discussed in this thread?

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Quote from: deltanine on August 14, 2013, 01:19:34 PM

Quote from: Mabsark on August 14, 2013, 01:13:14 PM

Quote from: deltanine on August 14, 2013, 01:07:26 PM

Quote from: Mabsark on August 14, 2013, 01:04:07 PM

DMS.MINING is falling in price rapidly with the bid currently at around 0.0025. At 100 USD/BTC, that's 2.5 BTC or 250 USD for 5 GH/s available immediately. I wouldn't be surprised to see it fall to 0.002 BTC per share, pricing 5 Gh/s available immediately at 200 USD.

I don't see how AM's current pricing can compete with that and therefore there will be a drop in sales, leading to a drop in dividends and a drop in share price. In order for AM to remain competitive, they'll have to reduce the price of Blades to around 4-5 BTC. USB Block Erupters will have to drop to around 0.16-0.2 BTC.

Sounds like a great deal. So why is DMS.MINING falling rapidly in price?

People are placing more value in DMS.SELLING due to the rate of increase in difficulty.

But DMS.SELLING has dropped rapidly in value also?? more so than DMS.MINING. maybe I just don't understand how those securities work.

The price of DMS.PURCHASE is 400 days of DMS.MINING dividends multiplied by 1.05. The price of DMS.SELLING has dropped because the price of DMS.PURCHASE has dropped, which in turn, has dropped because dividends have decreased due to the increase in difficulty.

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Quote from: deltanine on August 14, 2013, 01:07:26 PM

Quote from: Mabsark on August 14, 2013, 01:04:07 PM

DMS.MINING is falling in price rapidly with the bid currently at around 0.0025. At 100 USD/BTC, that's 2.5 BTC or 250 USD for 5 GH/s available immediately. I wouldn't be surprised to see it fall to 0.002 BTC per share, pricing 5 Gh/s available immediately at 200 USD.

I don't see how AM's current pricing can compete with that and therefore there will be a drop in sales, leading to a drop in dividends and a drop in share price. In order for AM to remain competitive, they'll have to reduce the price of Blades to around 4-5 BTC. USB Block Erupters will have to drop to around 0.16-0.2 BTC.

Sounds like a great deal. So why is DMS.MINING falling rapidly in price?

You cant price the market based on DMS.Mining a 100 btc going the way of DMS.MINING will double its price just like that...

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Quote from: deltanine on August 14, 2013, 01:19:34 PM

But DMS.SELLING has dropped rapidly in value also?? more so than DMS.MINING. maybe I just don't understand how those securities work.

The dividends from DMS are paid from the pot created by buying those shares, so the shares lose value every time dividends are paid.
Difficulty determines who (DMS.Mining/Selling) gets how much from the pot.

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Quote from: Mabsark on August 14, 2013, 01:13:14 PM

Quote from: deltanine on August 14, 2013, 01:07:26 PM

Quote from: Mabsark on August 14, 2013, 01:04:07 PM

DMS.MINING is falling in price rapidly with the bid currently at around 0.0025. At 100 USD/BTC, that's 2.5 BTC or 250 USD for 5 GH/s available immediately. I wouldn't be surprised to see it fall to 0.002 BTC per share, pricing 5 Gh/s available immediately at 200 USD.

I don't see how AM's current pricing can compete with that and therefore there will be a drop in sales, leading to a drop in dividends and a drop in share price. In order for AM to remain competitive, they'll have to reduce the price of Blades to around 4-5 BTC. USB Block Erupters will have to drop to around 0.16-0.2 BTC.

Sounds like a great deal. So why is DMS.MINING falling rapidly in price?

People are placing more value in DMS.SELLING due to the rate of increase in difficulty.

But DMS.SELLING has dropped rapidly in value also?? more so than DMS.MINING. maybe I just don't understand how those securities work.

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Quote from: deltanine on August 14, 2013, 01:07:26 PM

Quote from: Mabsark on August 14, 2013, 01:04:07 PM

DMS.MINING is falling in price rapidly with the bid currently at around 0.0025. At 100 USD/BTC, that's 2.5 BTC or 250 USD for 5 GH/s available immediately. I wouldn't be surprised to see it fall to 0.002 BTC per share, pricing 5 Gh/s available immediately at 200 USD.

I don't see how AM's current pricing can compete with that and therefore there will be a drop in sales, leading to a drop in dividends and a drop in share price. In order for AM to remain competitive, they'll have to reduce the price of Blades to around 4-5 BTC. USB Block Erupters will have to drop to around 0.16-0.2 BTC.

Sounds like a great deal. So why is DMS.MINING falling rapidly in price?

People are placing more value in DMS.SELLING due to the rate of increase in difficulty.

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Quote from: Mabsark on August 14, 2013, 01:04:07 PM

DMS.MINING is falling in price rapidly with the bid currently at around 0.0025. At 100 USD/BTC, that's 2.5 BTC or 250 USD for 5 GH/s available immediately. I wouldn't be surprised to see it fall to 0.002 BTC per share, pricing 5 Gh/s available immediately at 200 USD.

I don't see how AM's current pricing can compete with that and therefore there will be a drop in sales, leading to a drop in dividends and a drop in share price. In order for AM to remain competitive, they'll have to reduce the price of Blades to around 4-5 BTC. USB Block Erupters will have to drop to around 0.16-0.2 BTC.

Sounds like a great deal. So why is DMS.MINING falling rapidly in price?

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DMS.MINING is falling in price rapidly with the bid currently at around 0.0025. At 100 USD/BTC, that's 2.5 BTC or 250 USD for 5 GH/s available immediately. I wouldn't be surprised to see it fall to 0.002 BTC per share, pricing 5 Gh/s available immediately at 200 USD.

I don't see how AM's current pricing can compete with that and therefore there will be a drop in sales, leading to a drop in dividends and a drop in share price. In order for AM to remain competitive, they'll have to reduce the price of Blades to around 4-5 BTC. USB Block Erupters will have to drop to around 0.16-0.2 BTC.

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Quote from: ning on August 14, 2013, 12:49:41 PM

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funny thing is that laboratory, alaska, orchard speculators have nothing and we have more bitcoins than yesterday

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