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June 23, 2013, 07:40:13 PM
we need third party verification ..that is the "theives" companys ir site of course they are going to tell the truth..thanks

pumper site >> https://www.havelockinvestments.com/fund.php?symbol=ASICM

what the hell are you talking about?

asicminerchart.com is SmiGueL's site.
newbie
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June 23, 2013, 07:22:59 PM
hey monkeywrench where is this info available?..thanks

You can find this info here...
http://www.asicminercharts.com/live/

we need third party verification ..that is the "theives" companys ir site of course they are going to tell the truth..thanks

pumper site >> https://www.havelockinvestments.com/fund.php?symbol=ASICM
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The sheep who walks through walls.
June 23, 2013, 07:19:08 PM
hey monkeywrench where is this info available?..thanks

You can find this info here...
http://www.asicminercharts.com/live/
newbie
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June 23, 2013, 07:15:11 PM
ASICMINER owes me a keyboard, I just drooled on my old one...

http://i.imgur.com/SR1jUi2.png









hey monkeywrench where is this info available?..thanks
sr. member
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June 23, 2013, 07:12:13 PM
ASICMINER owes me a keyboard, I just drooled on my old one...

newbie
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June 23, 2013, 05:35:44 PM
re:  USB sticks still holds for shareholders.



>> checking this out >> is there a stateside wholesale customer phone number?..thanks
legendary
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June 23, 2013, 05:22:59 PM
And it went down on the news markets  Cool
Well at least havelock did escape from 0.3 for a moment lol
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June 23, 2013, 05:01:42 PM
here we go, guys!  hang on and don't sell for less than 4 btc!  Grin
legendary
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June 23, 2013, 04:06:13 PM
TIME TO PANIC BUY!!!

This is the information thread of sales for our Block Erupter USB sticks.

New Sales Policy

Customers in China, Hong Kong, Macau and Taiwan Please contact forum member rockxie(with e-mail address: [email protected]), whose RRP is agreed by us.

Customers in Canada Please contact forum member teek, whose RRP is agreed by us.

Customers in EU, Switzerland and North Europe non-EU countries Please contact forum member yxt, whose RRP is agreed by us.

Customers in the rest of the world
Minimum Order Volume of 50 USB sticks. Price of 0.99 each. 2% sent as redundancy (not in warranty). Shipping is free.

If you reach the total volume of 1,000 USB sticks, price is dropped to 0.89 each and we will pay back the price difference of all your historic transaction of USB sticks.

If we get an excluding deal with resellers in some certain countries we will stop directly supply USBs towards there, as in the case of China zone, Canada zone, and EU zone.

Shareholder
If you are a shareholder of ASICMINER, you will have the privilege of paying later. You will have 15 days to pay after shipping. The maximum volume of USB sticks for this policy you enjoy is (share number / 3, rounded down). Your (USB number * 3) shares will be frozen, thus not trade-able, as collateral, till payment for the USB. If you fail to pay, the shares will be collected back by ASICMINER. The minimum volume requirement of 50 USB sticks still holds for shareholders.

+1 For Shareholder's Smiley
hero member
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June 23, 2013, 03:48:27 PM
TIME TO PANIC BUY!!!

This is the information thread of sales for our Block Erupter USB sticks.

New Sales Policy

Customers in China, Hong Kong, Macau and Taiwan Please contact forum member rockxie(with e-mail address: [email protected]), whose RRP is agreed by us.

Customers in Canada Please contact forum member teek, whose RRP is agreed by us.

Customers in EU, Switzerland and North Europe non-EU countries Please contact forum member yxt, whose RRP is agreed by us.

Customers in the rest of the world
Minimum Order Volume of 50 USB sticks. Price of 0.99 each. 2% sent as redundancy (not in warranty). Shipping is free.

If you reach the total volume of 1,000 USB sticks, price is dropped to 0.89 each and we will pay back the price difference of all your historic transaction of USB sticks.

If we get an excluding deal with resellers in some certain countries we will stop directly supply USBs towards there, as in the case of China zone, Canada zone, and EU zone.

Shareholder
If you are a shareholder of ASICMINER, you will have the privilege of paying later. You will have 15 days to pay after shipping. The maximum volume of USB sticks for this policy you enjoy is (share number / 3, rounded down). Your (USB number * 3) shares will be frozen, thus not trade-able, as collateral, till payment for the USB. If you fail to pay, the shares will be collected back by ASICMINER. The minimum volume requirement of 50 USB sticks still holds for shareholders.
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June 23, 2013, 02:33:54 PM
lol this thread is good, it helps keep am shares price lower for reinvestments into more shares, lets keep this up, rofl!
muahahaha
sr. member
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June 23, 2013, 09:26:17 AM
Hash rate is up, as is the share price.  Good morning to everyone!
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June 23, 2013, 07:58:26 AM
LOL
If ASICMINER can not earn additional income form hardware sales, it becomes a regular mining turd and we know what happens to those, when diff keeps going up. (or if you do not,  go and find out: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2555945)

Generating serious profit from selling hardware is the only thing that keeps it interesting as an investment.



As far as I understand, AM is very different from PMBs in that with PMB you own a fixed amount of hashpower, but with AM you have a share in company that builds itself more and more hashpower over time. So with PMB the profits per bond slides down inverse to difficulty, but with AM the profits per share are proportional to AM's network share, which they keep more or less constant. And they will manage to keep their network share constant until the competition gets really serious.

And on top of that, they also sell hardware.
legendary
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June 23, 2013, 04:14:51 AM
LOL
If ASICMINER can not earn additional income form hardware sales, it becomes a regular mining turd and we know what happens to those, when diff keeps going up. (or if you do not,  go and find out: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2555945)

Generating serious profit from selling hardware is the only thing that keeps it interesting as an investment.



This thread is getting tedious very tedious very quickly ...

How is ASICMINER a "regular mining turd" prey tell? What outfit are you comparing them with?

Sounds to me like you haven't invested at all if you think hardware sales are what makes them interesting. Would that I be correct in guessing you don't own any shares?

As for "future competition being priced in", thats kind of difficult to do until you see actual results from competition, not promises and vaporware, because there are far more promises and vaporware than hardware in this business.

So you can rest easy, I do have shares. Not sure how not owning shares makes me understand it less but never mind.

I see you guys predicting future and current value of AM.
Who has seen AM's financial statements? Do you have access to AM's P/L, CF and balance sheet?
Can I have a copy please
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June 23, 2013, 03:56:44 AM
LOL
If ASICMINER can not earn additional income form hardware sales, it becomes a regular mining turd and we know what happens to those, when diff keeps going up. (or if you do not,  go and find out: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2555945)

Generating serious profit from selling hardware is the only thing that keeps it interesting as an investment.



This thread is getting tedious very tedious very quickly ...

How is ASICMINER a "regular mining turd" prey tell? What outfit are you comparing them with?

Sounds to me like you haven't invested at all if you think hardware sales are what makes them interesting. Would that I be correct in guessing you don't own any shares?

As for "future competition being priced in", thats kind of difficult to do until you see actual results from competition, not promises and vaporware, because there are far more promises and vaporware than hardware in this business.
legendary
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June 23, 2013, 03:51:41 AM
LOL
If ASICMINER can not earn additional income form hardware sales, it becomes a regular mining turd and we know what happens to those, when diff keeps going up. (or if you do not,  go and find out: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2555945)

Generating serious profit from selling hardware is the only thing that keeps it interesting as an investment.

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June 23, 2013, 03:49:02 AM
Perhaps you should have paid attention to the part where I said:

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The only reason why AM is able to charge such outrageous prices is because they've had no competition. By the end of the year, there will be plenty of competition.

I heard the same thing in April, then May, then June, and now July, and now by the end of the year.  When will this competition arrive, again?

+1

AM in the green & gold vs the others: http://youtu.be/fAADWfJO2qM?t=1m25s
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June 22, 2013, 10:26:31 PM


Of course, I know what you mean , you trying to say that AM would not change its price and its products standards?
The old blade is no more selling on the market, the only thing will make you assumption useful , is waiting util the new blade come out.
since before new blade come out , we do not know what will the spec be. It may be better than KNC ? if it does better than KNC , then the share price of AM will go up again at that time.
You can't post assumption like this if you did not know what exactly spec about the new blade.
It will caused missing lead investors, and seems not fair to AM.

No, that's the opposite of what I'm saying! AM will HAVE to change its pricing and products to be competitive otherwise it wouldn't sell any hardware at all.

It doesn't matter whether the new hardware is better than KnC or anyone else for that matter. All that matters is that AM will no longer be able to sell 2 Mh/s for 1 USD. AM will have to sell its devices at a price which is competitive. If KnC is readily available that's 50 Mh/s for 1 USD. If BFL is readily available but KnC is not, then that'll be about 18 Mh/s per USD. Due to competition being available and AM having a limited supply of devices, profit from selling hardware can only go down.

Of course , sell hardware is one off deal ,you can't repeat it again and again with same product, if your competitor has improve their product's quality, but majority of AM's dividend is come from its mining process.  Drooped of hardware selling actually does not has huge impact on its share price.(It does ,but not as important as the percentage of whole network's hashrate)
My point here is you posted this assertion too earlier, because you still do not know does KNC has the ability to delivery the products as they promised, there are possibility they could be next BFL.

We can't tell whether KNC is next AM or BFL util September, We can't tell whether AM will invented worse or better product than KNC ,util FC posted out the new spec of the Blade.

Before that time, every assumption that taken absolute idealize would be same pointless.





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It's great that you point this stuff out and all, but I think we are seeing future competition already priced into this stock.  With the type of dividend yield we are seeing the share price should be much higher.

I think future competition has been priced in for a long time, and then when it doesn't materialize AM shares jump in value.
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June 22, 2013, 08:50:51 PM
AM will not be beaten that easily  Wink
Waits for Wednesday glad to see the conversations are still interesting

The competition may be heating up but I don't trust their rivals production capabilities just yet
They are worth noting but unless a product delivers it's just speculation.

Even if a product delivers and is shipped we don't have the information on Friedcats Gen 2 yet
We just know it will blow the current market on ASIC's.

I wouldn't really worry about them being under-powered to the competition until I know the true specs
Worth guessing at but it's not known yet.

They are maintaining the hash rate as well even with this new competition so they hedge either way
The more units they produce the more demand market will dictate price.
We know they can produce but the question is how much do people want to buy with the knowledge they do deliver and won't make you wait a year or two XD.

A less risky investment than just having mining units
Plus Competition costs to produce hardware are very DAMN important

Another point is their are only 400,000 shares and they don't plan on increasing that quantity
Perhaps a stock split but the pass-thrus do that already
So whats not sent to the dividend everyday grows the equity in the company  Wink

For everyday they have the monopoly that equity will grow a bit  Smiley
Well we need a financial statement to know how much

That said do not call BFL real until they do deliver more than the rare one, BFL could basically be said to be an accumulate bitcoin scheme that will deliver products when the price of mining with their own units becomes unprofitable while sending out the rare unit now and then to have more people buy into this scheme and in the meantime get to hold the money for free   Then announce more powerful units and toss the old ones away genius  

If the competition finally appears
Who's to say an Oligopoly doesn't form bwhahahaa

I heard the same thing in April, then May, then June, and now July, and now by the end of the year.  When will this competition arrive, again?
When it does when it does velacreations perhaps not till the end of time but at least for now their isn't any
That day will be a day we can diversify some shares and own a part of two hammers lol.

Unless they just become a delivery company in which case I can easily argue that if they are near the same power and prices
People will choose ASICminer as they can be shareholders and get a part of the dividend from buying hardware Smiley

Whats more important than the price is simply the DANG margin
If you make super powerful units but make very little from selling them but get a lot of demand or you make simple units using considered old technology and sell a modest amount.
In the end the profits could easily be the same and what matters is simply selling over the margin.

Friedcat over delivers or you could say hes a damn understates all the time XD
In Friedcat we Trust

Lol Eskimobob that belonged in ASIC not Sdice but quotes it for Smiley
(off topic)
Abu22, you understand that those happy days of BTC, where anyone can mine a coins with a CPU or GPU are gone forever.
Crowd driven, kumbaya singing, mining community days are getting replaced by ASIC/whatever miningfarms, run by few greedy fuckers who do everything to become the BTC "banks" of the future... oops... full circle and guess what, we are back where we started to run away from - world, where small gang of greedy scum is controlling your favorite coin. Those same greedy assholes will be setting the tx fees in the future where casual mining is non-existing.
legendary
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June 22, 2013, 06:19:21 PM
What you are missing is the marginal production costs.  I would guess that now that they are masked out, the chips cost $10 a piece and the USB boards with heatsink (for example) cost another $10.  Current price is 2BTC.  There is a huge decrease in price that can be made and still be profitable.  As competitors come online only one thing will matter: who can source their chips and boards the fastest.

that's where having the facilities and experience of producing 300 TH rapidly actually counts for something.

Being located next to the production facilities doesn't hurt either.
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