Topic: Avalon is (unfortunately) a scam. Here is why. - page 2. (Read 37929 times)
Terrorists - including the ones in this case - tend to be educated people and from the upper middle class. Their mindset might be from the Middle Ages, but their tactics and technology are not. Jews will be blamed for Bitcoin if it ever becomes successful. Mark my words.
There are still people who claim that 9/11 didn't happen, or was a controlled demoloition, and no amount of evidence will convince them otherwise. Likewise for the Moon landings. Every new piece of evidence is just something to be explained away with handwaving and ever more complex Ptolemaic models of the Solar System, and then ignored and conveniently forgotten about in the next discussion thread. Real Internet super-Herros they are.
For my part, I find the moon landing doubt rather absurd. OTOH, the hypothesis that some Muslims in some caves half way around the world pulled off is 9/11 much much weaker then that it was organized largely by a handful of people who had significant influence over systems in the US. Over the decade, the latter hypothesis is simply proven to be much better at explaining the observations of the event.
Might have something to do with WTC7 bud...
Might have something to do with WTC 1 and 2 not exactly falling in on their footprint, but more like throwing tons of debris into WTC 7, thus weakening it, and then setting it on fire. And then falling with no faster than Earth gravity would predict. If you want to take this to another thread, feel free. But for the purposes of this thread:QED to my post, some people have fixed ideas and will never be convinced by any evidence.
There are still people who claim that 9/11 didn't happen, or was a controlled demoloition, and no amount of evidence will convince them otherwise. Likewise for the Moon landings. Every new piece of evidence is just something to be explained away with handwaving and ever more complex Ptolemaic models of the Solar System, and then ignored and conveniently forgotten about in the next discussion thread. Real Internet super-Herros they are.
Might have something to do with WTC7 bud...unless you really believe a small office fire can cause a steel framed skyscraper to enter physically impossible freefall and collapse on it's own footprint. If you do believe that, I'd like to sell you a bridge.
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Yeah they may need a person like me so they look more real.
But I still don't understand why don't they post some undeniable proof, and make me and people like me sthu one and forever.
Until that moment comes I still say its a scam, or at least they are lying to some extend, just like BFL, and today a new delay was posted about batch 2. Why?
Yeah they may need a person like me so they look more real.
But I still don't understand why don't they post some undeniable proof, and make me and people like me sthu one and forever.
Until that moment comes I still say its a scam, or at least they are lying to some extend, just like BFL, and today a new delay was posted about batch 2. Why?
Seems the only proof you'll accept is for everyone at bitcoin foundation to drive their new 88Gh Avalon to your home, hook it up for you, and hash for you.
https://bitcoinfoundation.org/blog/?p=112
They exist man...get over it.
As to batch 2 they're still changing specs. This update occurred while I was typing what appears ^^ up there.
Modular Layout
Avalon units are capable of holding up to
The new spec seems to call for 6 slots and not 4.
There are still people who claim that 9/11 didn't happen, or was a controlled demoloition, and no amount of evidence will convince them otherwise. Likewise for the Moon landings. Every new piece of evidence is just something to be explained away with handwaving and ever more complex Ptolemaic models of the Solar System, and then ignored and conveniently forgotten about in the next discussion thread. Real Internet super-Herros they are.
But I still don't understand why don't they post some undeniable proof, and make me and people like me sthu one and forever.
They've tried...but you keep letting your paranoia get the best of you
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Yeah they may need a person like me so they look more real.
But I still don't understand why don't they post some undeniable proof, and make me and people like me sthu one and forever.
Until that moment comes I still say its a scam, or at least they are lying to some extend, just like BFL, and today a new delay was posted about batch 2. Why?
Yeah they may need a person like me so they look more real.
But I still don't understand why don't they post some undeniable proof, and make me and people like me sthu one and forever.
Until that moment comes I still say its a scam, or at least they are lying to some extend, just like BFL, and today a new delay was posted about batch 2. Why?
Stop spamming the same post in every Avalon thread. If you weren't so busy spamming you'd know that Bitcoin Foundation has posted a video of their Avalon unit in action.
Please post a link with the video, I can't find it. 
WoW I found it - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mk_c3QE_1aE
You call this a video
Well it is better than nothing, I agree, might convince me soon
Kingpin is in on it!
Right. Open discussion is fine as long as it's favorable to companies that advertise on bitcointalk.org. Check.
I'd have avoided the part about BFL still advertising like mad without shipping anything if I were you too btw. What kin ya say? Now there's some sketchy business tactics.
I'd have avoided the part about BFL still advertising like mad without shipping anything if I were you too btw. What kin ya say? Now there's some sketchy business tactics.
But....BFL hasn't said "Units have shipped!!!",so we all know they are still working on them & no one is expecting delivery.Avalon customers were told "We're shipping!!!" & only 1 has recieved a unit.Are there more in transit
No one knows.....................Thats the main beef,no info or communication about the other 298 units (2 were shipped from Avalon per thier post).Correct. The appropriate BFLism is "We've scheduled shipments for blah blah" because no one can prove you haven't scheduled a shipment.
If it is a scam it's a really really good one.
They had to get Bitcoin Foundation into the scam. So that's the entire core developer team, BitInstant, Mt. Gox, and a whole lot more. Wow.
If it is a scam it's a really really good one.
Please post a link with the video, I can't find it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mk_c3QE_1aE&feature=youtu.be
Stop spamming the same post in every Avalon thread. If you weren't so busy spamming you'd know that Bitcoin Foundation has posted a video of their Avalon unit in action.
Please post a link with the video, I can't find it. WoW I found it - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mk_c3QE_1aE
You call this a video
Well it is better than nothing, I agree, might convince me soon
I know we have no reason to doubt him accept he is human!
Now honestly wouldn't you lie if they offered you lets say 100 000$ or 10% of the whole scam?
And dude u are really simple if you believe things that a people say on irc, forums etc. if there are money involved.
Now honestly wouldn't you lie if they offered you lets say 100 000$ or 10% of the whole scam?
And dude u are really simple if you believe things that a people say on irc, forums etc. if there are money involved.
Stop spamming the same post in every Avalon thread. If you weren't so busy spamming you'd know that Bitcoin Foundation has posted a video of their Avalon unit in action.
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Thats the main beef,no info or communication about the other 298 units (2 were shipped from Avalon per thier post).
This might change now. It looks like the delivery of the first two units was intended to coincide with Yifu's 23rd birthday (Jeff already posted that he wasn't meant to get his yesterday) and the announcement that Batch 2 units will have room for 6 boards.
I know we have no reason to doubt him accept he is human!
Now honestly wouldn't you lie if they offered you lets say 100 000$ or 10% of the whole scam?
And dude u are really simple if you believe things that a people say on irc, forums etc. if there are money involved.
Now honestly wouldn't you lie if they offered you lets say 100 000$ or 10% of the whole scam?
And dude u are really simple if you believe things that a people say on irc, forums etc. if there are money involved.
Right. Open discussion is fine as long as it's favorable to companies that advertise on bitcointalk.org. Check.
I'd have avoided the part about BFL still advertising like mad without shipping anything if I were you too btw. What kin ya say? Now there's some sketchy business tactics.
I'd have avoided the part about BFL still advertising like mad without shipping anything if I were you too btw. What kin ya say? Now there's some sketchy business tactics.
But....BFL hasn't said "Units have shipped!!!",so we all know they are still working on them & no one is expecting delivery.Avalon customers were told "We're shipping!!!" & only 1 has recieved a unit.Are there more in transit
No one knows.....................Thats the main beef,no info or communication about the other 298 units (2 were shipped from Avalon per thier post). 
My personal opinion is that:
Jeff is in on the AVALON scam too.
He mysteriously receives it in the last moment, so he doesn't have time to make a proper review.
NOW, 24 hours after he received it, all he posts 6 real photos and some shit a kid can do with Photoshop, when he knows there are close to a million $$$ at stake.
Jeff is in on the AVALON scam too.
He mysteriously receives it in the last moment, so he doesn't have time to make a proper review.
NOW, 24 hours after he received it, all he posts 6 real photos and some shit a kid can do with Photoshop, when he knows there are close to a million $$$ at stake.
Do you even read or even talk in irc chat with him posting status the thing is real and not doctored Photoshop images. He posted starts connected to slush pool mining and the intire mining army on their confirmed his status and connection and detials of it.
GO troll somewhere else or learn to read up on posts, threads, chats and facts before shouting FAKE.The product is real. However remains to be said who else actually has one and the location to 299 more.
Even I know this could well be a ta-ticket to get others to buy into it and still be a scam. 1 unit is proof that hardware can be manufactured to make such items. But the main question is whee are the videos, other customers that bought where are they with theirs. They are still indeed a lot of questions unanswered however time will tell.
If customers start popping up and making videos and sending their proof in that they have then am all buy buy but, but until theirs more out their and solid proof of 300 actually running around and not just 1 box then I will up hold my verdict until theirs more proof. 1 BOX AND DEVELOPED ON BTC IS FAVORITISM MUCH
Right. Open discussion is fine as long as it's favorable to companies that advertise on bitcointalk.org. Check.
I'd have avoided the part about BFL still advertising like mad without shipping anything if I were you too btw. What kin ya say? Now there's some sketchy business tactics.
I'd have avoided the part about BFL still advertising like mad without shipping anything if I were you too btw. What kin ya say? Now there's some sketchy business tactics.
Just because Josh defines nearly everyone that finds fault with BFL as a troll doesn't make it so, regardless how much he blows on advertising.
I'm also not pleased with Avalon's no refund BTC only policies.
No I'm not saying everyone who has valid concerns about BFL is a troll. I'm saying you take yourself, PL, and smoothie out of the BFL thread, and it wouldn't have had to be split by the mods and started over. That's what I consider trolling. I'm also not pleased with Avalon's no refund BTC only policies.
Though I'm pleased things have taken a turn for the better, Avalon was behaving in a very unprofessional manner and they had the criticism coming IMO.
Was? Past tense? I was relieved when they postponed the 2nd batch orders. They literally have 1 unit in customer's hands. One. Uno. Lets see a majority of those 300 units shipped, and then talk about a 2nd batch.ONE >>>>>> ZERO
Just because BFL is a bottomless batch 1 pit makes it okay for them to soak up millions in pre-orders over the course of EIGHT MONTHS without delivering anything but t-shirts and coffee mugs, but bad on Avalon for opening a 2nd batch(900 units total) whilst only having confirmed shipping one working ASIC unit?
Blatantly double standard much?
BFL is continuously accepting pre-orders, even tho they haven't shipped yet, I get that. However, Josh's interactions here and on the BFL forums have been large in response to current customers (and trolls, but we won't go there). I haven't seen them actively trying to get new customers. In fact, Josh has said that when their Single do ship, the product will speak for itself.
But then we get Avalon, who was supposed to be opening pre-orders for Batch 2, with some very severe stipulations: 1) They had only shipped 1 product to 1 customer. 2) BTC only (aka no cc chargebacks). 3) No refunds, under any circumstance. Those 3 just made it sound a lil fishy, and I was glad when they postponed. Postponing gives #1 time to hopefully fix itself, and maybe they'd consider #2, or at the very least #3.
Just because Josh defines nearly everyone that finds fault with BFL as a troll doesn't make it so, regardless how much he blows on advertising. Yes advertising. Just how much *IS* BFL spending to advertise their vaporware before they've shipped anything at all? Wanna bet it's several times what Avalon is spending? ...this despite the fact that Avalon has shipped an ASIC product and BFL well...they do have some boxed up fans, though they're not for sale yet. I don't see a lot of Avalon signatures bought off either...BFL on the other hand...
CES? How much was spent for BFL to advertise their non-shipping ASIC products there? Why do they keep pumping the ad budget when they have as many shipping ASICs as I do? Let's at least apply the same standards.
I'm also not pleased with Avalon's no refund BTC only policies.
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