Topic: Avalon is (unfortunately) a scam. Here is why. - page 6. (Read 37929 times)

He's been here since Christmas Eve man! ...obviously knows everything there is to know about all the principles.

Ah, nice. You must have quite a bit more information at hand than hundreds of the rest of us. Care to explain?

Actually ...All the CC's have refunded (by Dave) so @ this point bASIC is not a scam ..i think there is only 105BTC left

Why do u call it a fail ... once again its unknown ...so unknown can be yes...fear takes hold and...CaChing !

Also Demos always work exactly how u imagine them to work "in your mind"

A key to selling s/w to large orgs is to never show them the software.... talk about it but dont show them

It works exactly how they want it to in their minds eye...even with 3 org reps in the room with 3 different visions of how it operates ...everybody is happy with completely different peices of s/w...lol

Sad but VERY true...

These links confirmed what I said: only ~5% of the models are available in quantity of 1+ million (eg. only 15 of the 325 models of the 10kΩ resistors you linked to).

I agree that in general they are mostly interchangeable. When I design a circuit, as a hobbyist, I tend to pick the models/manufacturers of components available in greatest quantities, as they are usually also the less expensive. But I am not a designer of Avalon. I don't know their constraints. I don't know their requirements. I can't speak for themselves. All I know is some electronics designers are picky about which specific manufacturer of components they choose.

Shouldn't be an issue... I just searched for a few random values picked from projects I've worked on recently.

http://www.digikey.com/scripts/dksearch/dksus.dll?FV=fff40001%2Cfff800e9&vendor=0&mnonly=0&newproducts=0&ptm=0&fid=0&quantity=0&PV1=112&PV16=5

http://www.digikey.com/scripts/dksearch/dksus.dll?FV=fff40001%2Cfff800e9&vendor=0&mnonly=0&newproducts=0&ptm=0&fid=0&quantity=0&PV1=261&PV16=5

http://www.digikey.com/scripts/dksearch/dksus.dll?FV=fff40002%2Cfff8000b&vendor=0&mnonly=0&newproducts=0&ptm=0&fid=0&quantity=0&PV13=40&PV16=5

look at the quantities available..

Also, the capacitors around the IC are likely to be power bypass capacitors, which can easily be substituted for with slightly different values

Oops! Shame on me. Damn extra zeros.

If I may adjust my argument and estimation, the Avalon ASIC PCB shows about 15 resistors/capacitors per ASIC. I estimated earlier they will have about 80 ASICs per Avalon, so that's 1200 resistors/capacitors per Avalon, multiplied by 600 units = 720k resistors/capacitors. Not 1+ million but close.

do the math again

Huh? You just confirmed my math.

>200*600=1 200 000

It would surprise me not if most people participating in the forum itself felt this way.  In a funny way that is part of the appeal of it to me, but then again it is not robbing me of time I would be spending on worthwhile things ATM.

I think so. If you have a Icarus or Lancelot FPGA boards you will know it is true.

I knew there was a reason I didn't like you.

But you can see Inaba's point tho, right?

This is not the cutting edge of mining.  Its the latest scam.

cedivad, you are wrong. Avalon is not a scam. Neither you nor I can prove our opinions quite yet - so just wait and see.

1) Yifu cannot give a tracking number because, I theorize, he used unofficial / alternative ways to get the package quickly to Jeff in order to work around typical delays caused by traditional shipping companies, exports customs, etc. Perhaps he had to bribe a carrier, or a customs agent, or ask a travelling friend to carry it on a plane, etc.

2) Yifu said "resistor" instead of "mosfets and inductors" in a heated post. He made a mistake. Big deal. Besides, even resistors/capacitors can cause a 4-6 week delay (which he wants to avoid) when ordered in quantities of about 1 million (each Avalon unit probably has 200 1200 resistors/capacitors, multiplied by 600 units = 720 thousand (Edit: fixed math)). It is also very likely that most of the resistors/capacitors would be the exact same model, as they will be used as a supporting logic for a device that is estimated to be composed of 80 ASICs or so (see my previous posts making this estimation). That's lots of repetitive identical logic blocks. Even Digikey in the US rarely carries individual models of SMD resistors in qantities of 1+ million. Here is a concrete example: only ~5% of the 4.7kOhm SMD resistors models on Digikey are available in quantities of 1+ million.

3) I perfectly understand the Avalon team's stance. Every piece of evidence posted by BFL has been criticized. Avalon saw that and said "f*ck this shit - we are not going to waste time arguing with these trolls - let them see the evidence once we ship. Period."

4) Ditto. They don't need to prove anything. Plus mining on the main net would anger customers as they would raise the difficulty level.

5) You will hear from Chinese customers (if any ordered) as soon as they get their units. Patience - they just barely started shipping!

I'm just goin' to leave this here:

Not entirely true. I imagine there are a number of businesses out there with wholehearted intentions. However, who do you think gets the most attention..a well-intentioned small business, or the latest scam to come to Bitcoin?

Oh, and Tom isn't a scammer (yet)...he just failed to run his business properly. People are still getting their refunds (slowly).