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Quote from: sussex on September 19, 2014, 11:28:37 PM

Quote from: jl777 on September 19, 2014, 11:25:10 PM

should we have polls and decide everything based on the most votes?

James

Taking an argument to the point of absurdity is not what I would expect from you James.

This isn't just some little change, it is a big change with consequences.

I'll ask you again, why do companies spend millions on branding if it doesn't matter?

yes it is a big change, so for such a thing we should defer to a poll result?
branding matters and I prefer to have a person decide on such things instead of a poll.
if the poll is followed will we then run a branding campaign using polls? who will do the the work? you?

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Quote from: jl777 on September 19, 2014, 11:25:10 PM

should we have polls and decide everything based on the most votes?

James

Taking an argument to the point of absurdity is not what I would expect from you James.

This isn't just some little change, it is a big change with consequences.

I'll ask you again, why do companies spend millions on branding if it doesn't matter?

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Quote from: sussex on September 19, 2014, 11:18:53 PM

Quote from: jl777 on September 19, 2014, 11:16:07 PM

Quote from: smooth on September 19, 2014, 11:12:09 PM

Quote from: jl777 on September 19, 2014, 10:49:51 PM

Was it my imagination, or wasnt there a lot of complaints about the name?

As I pointed out a few pages back the complaints about the name declined over time and essentially stopped once the price stopped dropping.

If the rename had been proposed 2-3 months ago I'm sure the response would have been quite different.

As a dev for XMR, maybe it is best if you abstained from this discussion?
it just seems a bit strange you are one of the most vocal critics against this

Lol, who the fuck do you think you are?

You're not smoothing any troubled waters you know?

I am speaking as probably the largest holder of BBR
who are you?

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Quote from: sussex on September 19, 2014, 11:11:15 PM

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as the community's designated marketing person, it is on behalf of the community that he is making these decisions.

I would say he should be working for the community, putting the communities wishes into action.

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Now I think a lot of people have an opinion on the name because it is easy to have one. Its not like debating about the merits of one type of algorithm over another, a name, now everybody can debate that endlessly. So they do, accomplishing nothing.

Accomplishing nothing? The name is the first point of contact for users, it dictates your search engine strategy, it's what identifies the product to the customer. Mainstream businesses spend millions research names to accomplish nothing do they?

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Was it my imagination, or wasnt there a lot of complaints about the name?

No, it wasn't your imagination, but your memory fails you - there was also a lot of support for the name. Look at the fucking poll to see what people genuinely think.

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From a marketing standpoint it is hard to sell a child's cereal/toy as a crypto currency.

Well, thank god we're not in the cereal/toy business. What does this even mean? Do you keep accidentally finding Raspberry Pi's in your fruit and veg aisle? Maybe you keep picking up a citrus fruit instead of your phone?

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Now it really doesnt matter what the name is, we all agree the tech is what is important. So, why all the fuss all of a sudden?

I've blown the "name doesn't matter" argument out the water so many times it's boring. Why not just call it garbagecoin or shitonyourpillowcoin?

There is also a fuss about the way the vote has been rigged, it seems 60% of the community have no voice. I think this is important.

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where are the suggestions for others?

I'm suggesting Boolberry....... I thought I had made that clear.

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Maybe the name matters, maybe it doesnt,

A few sentences ago, you were so certain... what happened?

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but debating endlessly about the name change is not going to help anything.

Then lets have a fair vote, problem solved.

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Does the community want to support windjc or not? This is what I want to know.

We'd all like an answer to this question James, it's not exclusive to you.

Are you part of the cabal?

cabal?

when does doing anything by polls get good results?

I suggested to make the name just "BBR", but the question is if anybody other than windjc will be leading the marketing. To my knowledge there is nobody else.

If windjc is leading the marketing effort, then it would seem he is able to just dictate the name, but he is asking for input on the choice of new name. not whether to keep the old name or not.

should we have polls and decide everything based on the most votes?

James

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This really has gone to shit.

A fair vote is the only way forward and quickly.

Many alternative voting systems have been proffered, all met by a deafening silence from the powers that be - why?

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Quote from: jwinterm on September 19, 2014, 11:17:39 PM

Quote from: jl777 on September 19, 2014, 11:16:07 PM

Quote from: smooth on September 19, 2014, 11:12:09 PM

Quote from: jl777 on September 19, 2014, 10:49:51 PM

Was it my imagination, or wasnt there a lot of complaints about the name?

As I pointed out a few pages back the complaints about the name declined over time and essentially stopped once the price stopped dropping.

If the rename had been proposed 2-3 months ago I'm sure the response would have been quite different.

As a dev for XMR, maybe it is best if you abstained from this discussion?
it just seems a bit strange you are one of the most vocal critics against this

As a dev for bitcoindark, maybe it is best if you abstained from this discussion?
it just seems a bit strange you are one of the most vocal critics against this

I think jwinterm's point is valid, though we would all do well to minimize the sarcasm and at least stay respectful and polite. We can all have opinions and shouldn't be attacked for our other projects.

AFAIK everyone here has some BBR and is interested in the project.

Regarding me being a vocal critic, I've said several times (maybe James hasn't been following all the posts) that I favor the name change, just found the process off putting. That I happen to be the one saying this is irrelevant because clearly others feel the same way.

EDIT: that said, I think James's point about my presence being potentially inflammatory is valid, so I will step out until things cool down a bit. Anyone who wants my opinion on something can PM and ask me.

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Quote from: jl777 on September 19, 2014, 11:16:07 PM

Quote from: smooth on September 19, 2014, 11:12:09 PM

Quote from: jl777 on September 19, 2014, 10:49:51 PM

Was it my imagination, or wasnt there a lot of complaints about the name?

As I pointed out a few pages back the complaints about the name declined over time and essentially stopped once the price stopped dropping.

If the rename had been proposed 2-3 months ago I'm sure the response would have been quite different.

As a dev for XMR, maybe it is best if you abstained from this discussion?
it just seems a bit strange you are one of the most vocal critics against this

Lol, who the fuck do you think you are?

You're not smoothing any troubled waters you know?

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Quote from: jl777 on September 19, 2014, 11:16:07 PM

Quote from: smooth on September 19, 2014, 11:12:09 PM

Quote from: jl777 on September 19, 2014, 10:49:51 PM

Was it my imagination, or wasnt there a lot of complaints about the name?

As I pointed out a few pages back the complaints about the name declined over time and essentially stopped once the price stopped dropping.

If the rename had been proposed 2-3 months ago I'm sure the response would have been quite different.

As a dev for XMR, maybe it is best if you abstained from this discussion?
it just seems a bit strange you are one of the most vocal critics against this

As a dev for bitcoindark, maybe it is best if you abstained from this discussion?
it just seems a bit strange you are one of the most vocal critics against this

jl777

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Quote from: smooth on September 19, 2014, 11:12:09 PM

Quote from: jl777 on September 19, 2014, 10:49:51 PM

Was it my imagination, or wasnt there a lot of complaints about the name?

As I pointed out a few pages back the complaints about the name declined over time and essentially stopped once the price stopped dropping.

If the rename had been proposed 2-3 months ago I'm sure the response would have been quite different.

As a dev for XMR, maybe it is best if you abstained from this discussion?
it just seems a bit strange you are one of the most vocal critics against this

jl777

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Quote from: enerbyte on September 19, 2014, 11:01:18 PM

Ok, I for one will continue to support boolberry or whatever in the future, I believe that zoidberg is a very capable and a great developer, I hope that whatever is done, is thinking of the good of the coin and the community .

exactly!

now we have windjc who is a pretty big deal in his own right, so let's give him some discretion and give him some time to achieve results. Marketing does take a bit of time.

now this coin will succeed even if its called zoidberry, so I wouldnt worry about any problems with any new name

James

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Quote from: jl777 on September 19, 2014, 10:49:51 PM

Was it my imagination, or wasnt there a lot of complaints about the name?

As I pointed out a few pages back the complaints about the name declined over time and essentially stopped once the price stopped dropping.

If the rename had been proposed 2-3 months ago I'm sure the response would have been quite different.

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as the community's designated marketing person, it is on behalf of the community that he is making these decisions.

I would say he should be working for the community, putting the communities wishes into action.

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Now I think a lot of people have an opinion on the name because it is easy to have one. Its not like debating about the merits of one type of algorithm over another, a name, now everybody can debate that endlessly. So they do, accomplishing nothing.

Accomplishing nothing? The name is the first point of contact for users, it dictates your search engine strategy, it's what identifies the product to the customer. Mainstream businesses spend millions researching names to accomplish nothing do they?

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Was it my imagination, or wasnt there a lot of complaints about the name?

No, it wasn't your imagination, but your memory fails you - there was also a lot of support for the name. Look at the fucking poll to see what people genuinely think.

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From a marketing standpoint it is hard to sell a child's cereal/toy as a crypto currency.

Well, thank god we're not in the cereal/toy business. What does this even mean? Do you keep accidentally finding Raspberry Pi's in your fruit and veg aisle? Maybe you keep picking up a citrus fruit instead of your phone?

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Now it really doesnt matter what the name is, we all agree the tech is what is important. So, why all the fuss all of a sudden?

I've blown the "name doesn't matter" argument out the water so many times it's boring. Why not just call it garbagecoin or shitonyourpillowcoin?

There is also a fuss about the way the vote has been rigged, it seems 60% of the community have no voice. I think this is important.

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where are the suggestions for others?

I'm suggesting Boolberry....... I thought I had made that clear.

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Maybe the name matters, maybe it doesnt,

A few sentences ago, you were so certain... what happened?

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but debating endlessly about the name change is not going to help anything.

Then lets have a fair vote, problem solved.

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Does the community want to support windjc or not? This is what I want to know.

We'd all like an answer to this question James, it's not exclusive to you.

Are you part of the cabal?

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Ok, I for one will continue to support boolberry or whatever in the future, I believe that zoidberg is a very capable and a great developer, I hope that whatever is done, is thinking of the good of the coin and the community .

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Quote from: enerbyte on September 19, 2014, 09:45:02 PM

Quote from: jl777 on September 19, 2014, 09:08:58 PM

Yes, boolberry is a very brandable name, but if the person in charge of the marketing is not liking it, then he wont do anywhere as good of a job unless he gets the name he wants.

then this is for one person? I think that if someone goes to work at a company in the area of marketing that does not give you the right to change the name just because you do not like, then what happens when that person leaves and another person comes? also you can change the name if you do not like?

as the community's designated marketing person, it is on behalf of the community that he is making these decisions.

Now I think a lot of people have an opinion on the name because it is easy to have one. Its not like debating about the merits of one type of algorithm over another, a name, now everybody can debate that endlessly. So they do, accomplishing nothing.

Was it my imagination, or wasnt there a lot of complaints about the name? From a marketing standpoint it is hard to sell a child's cereal/toy as a crypto currency.

Now it really doesnt matter what the name is, we all agree the tech is what is important. So, why all the fuss all of a sudden?

windjc stepped up and is willing to put time into marketing this, is anybody else? If he does a good job, then the name thing wont be an issue. It is so easy to complain, well, if Rune is so bad a name, where are the suggestions for others?

If you are all happy at 1/15'th XMR marketcap, then lets just leave everything the way it is. Maybe the name matters, maybe it doesnt, but debating endlessly about the name change is not going to help anything.

Does the community want to support windjc or not? This is what I want to know.

James

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Quote from: jl777 on September 19, 2014, 09:08:58 PM

Yes, boolberry is a very brandable name, but if the person in charge of the marketing is not liking it, then he wont do anywhere as good of a job unless he gets the name he wants.

then this is for one person? I think that if someone goes to work at a company in the area of marketing that does not give you the right to change the name just because you do not like, then what happens when that person leaves and another person comes? also you can change the name if you do not like?

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Quote from: sussex on September 19, 2014, 09:35:54 PM

Quote from: slapper on September 19, 2014, 09:31:00 PM

But what about the people who have threatened to dump BBR upon a rebrand? I read somewhere that it is some sort of a silver currency and any attempt to become something else will be met fiercely.

I would be one of them - although I wouldn't dump maliciously or at a loss.

This is because I believe changing the name to any one of the alternatives offered would doom this coin to ridicule and anonymity (in the bad sense) as well as complicating search engine results and exposing uncertainty in the direction of the coin.

Other than that, I'm all for it.

I am with you. I also have some BBR. As long as the community can stay retarded I am ok. Any attempt to try to get serious, imma dump for profits.

Tech is all that matters (as long as the name stays goofy and smells of fruit)

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Quote from: slapper on September 19, 2014, 09:31:00 PM

But what about the people who have threatened to dump BBR upon a rebrand? I read somewhere that it is some sort of a silver currency and any attempt to become something else will be met fiercely.

I would be one of them - although I wouldn't dump maliciously or at a loss.

This is because I believe changing the name to any one of the alternatives offered would doom this coin to ridicule and anonymity (in the bad sense) as well as complicating search engine results and exposing uncertainty in the direction of the coin.

Other than that, I'm all for it.

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But what about the people who have threatened to dump BBR upon a rebrand? I read somewhere that it is some sort of a silver currency and any attempt to become something else will be met fiercely. I really don't understand this community. Are you guys trying to be something you are not? Why can't you stay grounded all your life?

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Quote from: jl777 on September 19, 2014, 09:10:30 PM

will you volunteer to head up marketing BBR?
if so you can run against windjc and then if you win, you can decide to keep the Boolberry name
CZ definitely does not like these pointless debates and neither do I

James

I would consider it if I had at some backing/nomination from others, I would not just throw my hat into the ring for fear of it getting laughed out. I am certain there are others with more ability to do the job.

It would also depend on what was expected, to my constant astonishment I have a real life too and I couldn't devote a massive amount of time to marketing goolies, boondocks or what ever the latest bizarre name suggestion is.

Finally, it's not pointless James, I'd be far more concerned if no-one cared.

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Quote from: sussex on September 19, 2014, 09:08:15 PM

Quote from: enerbyte on September 19, 2014, 08:59:10 PM

at some point in history boolberry would also be renamed to Arplex http://arplex.org/. and subsequently canceled, zoidberg said:

Quote from: crypto_zoidberg on May 31, 2014, 11:17:00 AM

Boolberry is not the best name, i see.

But i've decided to stay with that.
i'm so sick of this naming talks - it's not possible to please everybody.
I like this name and i'll make a value for this name with my work and my ideas.

Thanks to all people who suggested names, i'm very sorry that i didn't like it, please try to understand me.
The prize will be devided between all who suggested in this thread, with thanks and respect. Sorry again that i didn't take name here.

Now naming issue is closed.

I'm gladly go back to work, hope we will appear on exchanges soon.

PS: those who was complained that solo mining is impossible - you can try your luck now since hashrate is pretty low now. this is your second chance.
PPS: those who don't like the name - that's ok, i can understand you and respect your choice if you go to Monero(or whatever). Mine in peace!

Now the question is: Why insist on changing the name?

I think there are other important things that need to worry.

I remember this well and also remember that in his pm correspondence with me he seemed stressed and unhappy about the whole debate. CZ is a very talented dev and coder, but I don't think he is so happy dealing with strongly expressed opposing views - it does his head in.

I was thinking about this earlier and wondered if he may have been hectored or worn down by the pro-rebrand cabal, who I will now call the PRC (see what I did there?), maybe he just agreed to hand over responsibility to get some peace?

There is certainly more important stuff for him to work on, this potential exploit being top of the list.

will you volunteer to head up marketing BBR?
if so you can run against windjc and then if you win, you can decide to keep the Boolberry name
CZ definitely does not like these pointless debates and neither do I

James

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