Topic: Beastlymac - scammed me for 3.1 btc - gridseeds group buy - page 18. (Read 17715 times)

The basics.

Order paid for by curiousminer on the 5th of February.

Order paid to manufacturer and confirmed on the 7th of February (verified with proof)

Order for the 1 chip miners can be refunded upon the completed confirmation requested in post #51

Message will only be accepted from Curiousminer NOT bbxx

Curiousminer order is still boxed and is awaiting shipment details

Curiousminer order details are in the private listing because his order was not completed and still requires postage details.
The messages quoted about the details not being listed publicly is because I was not at home and unable to check my documentation and only able to look through the public list. It was made apparent upon my checking of the private list that the reason he was not listed publicly was because of incomplete information.

I have provided all truthful information whilst bbxx has fabricated false accusations such as the one that I proved wrong with factual evidence that curiousminer's order was submitted to the manufacturer on the 7th bbxx attempted to claim this was un true based on no factual evidence.

It is apparent through the false accusations that bbxx has made and is still making that he either does not understand the situation or he is attempting to provide fabricated lies in the hope of convincing the bitcoin community that I am in the wrong and that I have apparently scammed multiple people? This is another fabricated lie. Every person who ordered in the gridseed groupbuy except curiousminer either received miners or a refund.

Refunds for the groupbuy that where sent out total above 40BTC showing that I happily refunded people who where eligible at the time.

Bbxx attempts to discredit me stating that I have "lied" are not backed up with any actual evidence he has repeatedly falsely accused me of not having curiousminer's devices ready for shipping I will post a photo as proof that they are when I get home. He has continuously made this accusation based off no actual proof and is that here say. I have answered all questions truthfully and will continue to do so. Bbxx continues to asked the same questions multiple times ignoring what has already been posted.

I have been open in attempts to resolve this issue

So I ask. Bbxx with your continued accusations please provide evidence to prove them.

Beastlymac you have ruined my almost hero member bitcointalk account.

why?

Did i scammed you?

or it is another trick to lead this topic away from your case?

how many people you have cheated?

have you get any compensation from manufacturer wchich delayed gridseeds wihin 3 months?

have you paid any part of compensation to group buy participants?

how many people got accounts ruined instead?

there are some at your profile untrusted feedback, are you going to ressolve their cases?


i am in contact with manufacturers and experienced trusted people from this forum, you will not go away with that.

please be fair and answer once again my questions.

thanks.

If he sends a message with the same address he paid from, I believe that would suffice. You can't be too careful these days, so many ID scammers lately.

You keep making the same accusations without any proof. Your brothers miners are sitting here and have been sitting here for months. You also keep repeating the same questions over and over.

1) he took a long period of time (months) to confirm account ownership.
2) they where ordered in Feb
3) that is because it has become impossible to resolve. I try to fix things and get abuse and fabricated accusations back from you.
4) He didn't ask for it
5) My feedback post is "Attempting to slander me." That is true
6) that was a method of account confirmation recommended by KWH (I already said this)
7) I already answered this also. He agreed to the terms when he made his order.

In regards to this comment "is there third super private list only at your brain?"
No I only have one private document/list.

The reason I asked at the time was because I was not at home and thus could not check my documents meaning all I could look at was the public list. It became apparent why he was not listed public ally when I looked at my own documentation he failed to complete his information.


I think that his confusion lies in me saying that he was able to get a refund for the single chip order. He is still able to get a refund for the single chip devices.



It seems I may have confused your use of the term ID.
I agree that this should suffice. Curiousminer please send me a signed message from your sending address with the current date in the message and the address you would like the 1btc sent back to.

I agree. Being angry is okay... but the last thing you want your anger to do is distract from resolution attempts.

Hopefully this could be resolved soon. Everyone should keep calm and think. Both take one step back is good for each other.
Happy customer happy business.

it is beastlymac communicaction  failure,
curiousminer asked for refund few times and beastly has never mentioned about no refund, instead he asked for proof of address possession and thousands of other excuses within 5 months.

when finally he confirmed his id and fact that curiousminer is not hacked he started new story, no refunds.

he lied that he has his miners sealed, becouse he doesnt know what curiousminer ordered (see screenshoots and addidional info)

please read this

and see this



is there third super private list only at your brain?

Beastly answer my 7 questions!!!

1.why you havent refunded him 1 btc at feb?
2.why you havent told you that his miners are ready to ship at feb?
3.why you were dragging out this case within 5 months?
4.why you havent transferred his miners to people from reserve list knowing what he want refund and refund him at feb?
5.why you destroyed his account posting feedback?
6.why you are holding 1 btc refund wanting his photo and id if you dont know even his name and address?
7.when you will refund him wole sum and compensate others for delay?

This may actually be a communication failure, breakdown - question is, on which side.. I'm still not clear why OP wasn't told from the beginning that he couldn't get a refund. Beastlymac, you stated OP might've gotten confused because he made a couple of orders... But is it possible that perhaps you got those orders mixed up? It happens, no worries. Its just suspect that for months OP was led to believe he was getting a refund. That's the part that's not sitting right with me.

he has confirmed his address twice sending encrypted message. it is not a problem of confirming that he is not hacked, it is problem of beastlymac who messed up his groupbuy and want to pay for his errors to group buy participants.

his photo and id is not needed becouse beastly cant compare his data with other data he has becouse he doesnt have any due to curiusminer instead shipping address sent refund request

Have your brother confirm his ID through a message from the payment address, get your refund/hardware. Is it really this hard to do?

1.why you havent refunded him 1 btc at feb?
2.why you havent told you that his miners are ready to ship at feb?
3.why you were dragging out this case within 5 months?
4.why you havent transferred his miners to people from reserve list knowing what he want refund and refund him at feb?
5.why you destroyed his account posting feedback?
6.why you are holding 1 btc refund wanting his photo and id if you dont know even his name and address?
7.when you will refund him wole sum and compensate others for delay?

please answer one after one

beastlymac so you want from him
photo with him and his id and bitcoin address to perform refund of 1 btc?
wtf?
you want to sell his id data?
why you need this?
signing message from address he paid is not enough for you?

you want to compare his photo and id with what? to make refund.

explain this.

also explain why you are performing such erreus way group buy.

i made some group buys.

allways i have excel sheet with
name nick payment status payment address shimpment address dates and customer status
i read all pms and modifing sheet.

in such way no one is scammed.

curiousminer send you 3.1 btc with descritpion
you should put

5.02 curiousminer, his addres, 3.1 btc, reseved/paid

then at 10.02 he send you pm to refund

you should change his status to refund request
and send him info that he can transfer his order to anyone else becouse goods are ordered.

he send you next pm at 17.02 to ask what about his refund
you answered that you need his address signed

he sent  you all you needed

then you have asked to send email to you

you havent answered this email till now.

how would he imagine that goods are waiting for him at your place (hint another your lie) if you were asking what he has ordered?

why your list was private and he could not see his status? becouse he havent send you shipping address?
wtf. he send you message that he dont want miners so his shipping address doesnt matter.

please quote my response and answer my questions.

I explained why you where listed on the private list I have a private list that is kept up to date because it is used in the process of posting and checking orders. It combines order with details on the order tracking details for the package/s and any other notes for the order. You didn't "reserve" the miners the act of reservation in the groupbuy did not require any payment your ordered the miners and paid for them. I didn't say that I told you to transfer your order I said it was an option that was offered in the thread by potential buyers I find it interesting you only cite my apparent "scams" (notice they all recieved miners) and not my other successful trades. I along with a partner organised the BlueFury miners that got order over the value of 600btc if I wanted to scam someone and I would like to make it very clear I don't scam! I would have taken the 600btc and not the 1 that belongs to you. I sent you information regarding your 1btc refund based on the recommendation for KWH.

Regards, Beastlymac

I was sure that i will be refunded/transferred.
I asked for refund and in response i got only ask for authorisation, ip logs that i am not scammer.  He havent said i will not get refund so i was not thinking about transferring my order.

He was dragging whole case till miners reserved i have asked to withdraw turned to be wothless.

he is lying that he suggested me to transfer my order. Only what he wanted is to confirm that i have paid to him.

About private secret list, this is crazy, he put me on that list at 5.02.2014 without my shipping address without goods list i have ordered (he asked what i have ordered after my refund request).

Dear Bitcointalk Community please help me ressolve this. Beastlymac has proven at his untrusted feedback that he scammed already people for 12 btc, i dont want to add 3.1 btc to this sum.

Beastly please refund me first 1 btc you promised and dont blackmail me to provide shipping address to ship useless gridseeds.

Then after community opinions refund me rest.

Be a man and pay for your own errors (messing with groupbuy lists, not answering pms etc)

beasty do remove your trust feedback, i have not scammed you.

please note everybody: i am on travel now (cycling from poland to romania) and cant follow conversation. thanx you all for help and involvement in that case as im not very expired in btc community, (especially thx to my bro). i hope i will be refunded at least (as i need that cash for biking).

peace.

Ok, so this makes sense, thanks for explaining.

OP, were you confused about the order?

I've done a very vast amount of bitcoin related projects with beastlymac as far back as blue fury USB devices. Everything I've seen this guy do was 100% legit and always done honestly. As both a group buy organizer and wholesaler.

I understand where his confusion may be for his miss understanding about the refund offered. I offered it for the single chip devices and it is still offered for them. The order on the 7th was for all miners ordered up to that date including curiousminer's order. His name was not included on the list because he did not include his postage details in his pm with the tx id's as was required "Please provide me with your TX id and shipping details (postage address and the postage method you paid for) via PM once you have ordered." Thus allowing the public listing to only include orders that where ready for shipping. I have always stated that the 1 chip devices can and still can be refunded but the 5 chip devices can not. I think the confusion is that he ordered two different models of device one was the single chip USB miner that can be refunded whilst the other model (the 5 chip) can not be refunded and is waiting for shipment. I asked for confirmation of account ownership for the single chip devices. This was also asked of every single other person who was given a refund for the single chip miners. The thread was updated to tell members during the period that the order had been submitted to the manufacture in the hope of speeding up the shipping process. People offered in the thread that they I would like to buy orders or reservations and people asked via pm and I stated that it was ok and I would act as a medium for the deal people make direct/escrowed payment and I change the postage details.

Edit:


bbxx what do you mean by "false" feedback?

K, now we're getting somewhere. Naturally we'd want to know... How do we know OP's order was included in this? Also, it seems the back and forth went on for months before you first told him he wasn't getting a refund. Yes, I know it's listed in your original post... But if OP's name wasn't on the public list, why would he think 1) they'd be need to sell his reservation, 2) that his order was submitted to the manufacturer, and 3) you'd be asking for confirmation unless it was for a refund?

Forgive me... But I'm still confused here. From what's posted, you never advised OP that he wasn't getting a refund. If anything, it looks like you led him on. Of course I'm probably missing some key piece of information... Can you help me understand?

Updated my post above. I got it wrong by a day it was the 7th that the order was submitted to the manufacturer.

Also a picture.