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Quote from: Beastlymac on August 01, 2014, 06:32:22 AM

Quote from: bbxx on August 01, 2014, 06:24:51 AM

Please state exact date you had his miners at your place. Also provide their production date/serial numbers. I am going to fully finish this investigation with evidence you should provide.

Then answer why you have been ignoring my brother having his miners (he sent you many messages and emails).

You said bad communication is not scam but in this case it is becuse you were holding his goods/money within 5 months and not responding to his refund/shipment request.
So fault is at your side, why curiousminer has to pay for your errors ?

Below are cases similar to this, please tell me when you will compensate/refund/remove trust feedback to those harmed people too.

This investigation is over i have already talked about the compensation (again you are repeating the same questions over and over)

It is not. He has also withheld his postage details for 5 months. Does that mean he has scammed me? According to your terminology it does. I have removed the feedback on Mr. Jinx. They are not similar to this. They provided all required details when requested. Your brother did not. Again all you have done is repeat the same questions over again. From this point on i will only answer new questions in regards to this order.

Please provide exact date you had his miners at your place. Please add information about their serial numbers and production date.
I am collecting evidence for police department (for investigation) and preparing court case. Let judge decide who scammed who.
Then answer why you have been ignoring my brother within next months having this miners.
thanks

Good that you have removed feedback from jinx. Why you did this now? Why you put this feedback at him?

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Quote from: bbxx on August 01, 2014, 06:24:51 AM

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Quote from: Beastlymac on August 01, 2014, 06:19:45 AM

Your brother has made false accusations the latest one claiming that the message was sent on the 5th.

this is solved already, reference there https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8116836
you know this and this only shows how terrible creature you are.
pathetic

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this guy account has been destroyed by you putting negative trust feedback (you have scammed him and he is harmed by you twice)

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Quote from: curiousminer on August 01, 2014, 06:03:49 AM

Quote from: bbxx on August 01, 2014, 03:08:55 AM

1. Since when you had this miners at home, sealed ? you have never responded to this question (it is lie that you did)

i will be forced to ask official distributor about it, i know that every order of gridseeds consisted 10+ miners was refunded by asiabtc, due to customs problems, it is possible that you got curiousminer refund too.

can you provide serial numbers and date of production curiousminer sealed gridseeds?

2. Why you have not replied to his emails ?

you asked curiousminer to send email to him to speed up communication
you have never responded to that question (t is lie that you did)

thanks

beastymac for 5 months you been ignoring my requests of return. you basically stole my 3.1 btc. now, when the story is public and my bro bbxx have show you and other members of btccommunity, that you are not worth of trust (blackmailing, lies, stealing from unexpired members), i hope all will be soon resolved, reputation of my bro and others fixed and eventually you will send back my 3.1 btc on my address.

from now on do not send any pm to me because im disgusted with your constant lies. imho all communication have to public.

Since you are online and don't want to receive and pm's anymore. Please respond publicly to the message quoted below. Within the next three days.

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Quote from: Beastlymac on July 30, 2014, 11:04:19 AM

Here is a question I would like to ask everyone except bbxx
On topic. If I do not get a response from curiousminer in the next 5 days in regards to shipping his 5 chip devices OR auctioning them off I am inclined to default to auctioning them. The default auction terms (he is welcome to change them) are such that the starting bid would be 0.01BTC with bidding increments of 0.001BTC the devices would then be shipped to the winner and all funds collected would be sent through to curiousminer along with the already stated 1btc. Anybody who reads this (I feel this in the current situation one where curiousminer is unresponsive to my pm that this is the only option for resolving this quickly) please post here or pm me what your opinion is on this form of resolution.

I would also like to state for the record this resolution option was not thought up by me but was recommended as a way of resolving the situation.

I will pm curiousminer again. I will link this post and ask for his decision within 5 days.

Again, Beastlymac, the manner in which you've handled this speaks volumes, and I applaud your professionalism and determination in getting this resolved. Please continue to set a good example for members who find themselves in similar situations. I've never made any transactions with you, but given your track record, I wouldn't have any doubt with trusting you.

To all-

In my opinion, this resolution is fair and kudos to whomever suggested it. My suggestion to curiousminer was to accept the 1btc refund and the devices he paid for. But as it seems he's not willing to provide shipping information, I don't see Beastlymac having any other choice.... Unless he decides to say the hell with it and keep everything... But I get a sense that's not in his character.

I have not stolen anything of yours. You sent funds and purchased miners and since then have prevented me from fulfilling your order by sending you the miners. You have not been forthcoming from day one with your postage details. Did you read the terms and conditions of the group buy? If you did (although it is apparent you did not) you would know that your claim is invalid. Your brother has made false accusations the latest one claiming that the message was sent on the 5th.

Please publicly choose out of the two solutions offered above. You now have three days or i will be forced to default to auctioning off the miners.

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Quote from: bbxx on August 01, 2014, 05:37:41 AM

official letter has been send to manufacturer, asiabtc.

also escrow.ms and theymos has been added to recipient list.

i hope they will help to solve this case

and other cases not ended (beastly has scammed other group buy participants and left them undeserved trust feedback, reference: beastlymac untrusted feedback)

this whole thread has to be honestly ended with help of community.

i hope that beastlymac will be erased from default trust list due to his unfair practices.

The sale thread will already have the information you are looking for. Your brother's order was in the first couple waves of miners that arrived. All cases have ended everyone but your brother received their miners. You are welcome to keep adding more and more people to your pm's all you are doing now is wasting everyone's time. Your brother still has not replied to my pm. Read every post in this thread from other people it is obvious what members of the community think.

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You even have negative feedback from someone in the community that aggress that you have made up lies.

My feedback on you is true. I have not abused any part of the system i don't see what you have to complain about in regards to my feedback left on your account move on. Next time don't post lies about people and you won't get into the situation you're in.

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sorry about 5 march
my brother messed up sending to himself i havent noticed that

but he did resend it 10.03 so it is key date now

1. he will send it when he will be able to (now he is travelling)
2. so it is valid now with changed date to 10.03
3. ok so i will try to ressolve this other way. i will do everything what can be done at this case

1. Since when you had this miners? you have never responded it (it is lie that you did)
2. Why you have not replied to his email ? you have never responded it (it is lie that you did)

thanks

Below are proofs that you have been stating that he had not ordered anything and that he had not paid you.

Quote from: bbxx on July 31, 2014, 04:46:26 AM

you were denying that he ordered anything, that he paid for anything

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Quote from: bbxx on July 31, 2014, 05:14:18 AM

He send you signed message 5.03
i dont deny that.

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No pm received on march 5th.

Date i asked for signed message was the 11th of February date i received the signed message was the 10th of March. That is a month that is not immediate. That is also not on the 5th of March. Please realise you are wrong

Quote from: bbxx on July 31, 2014, 05:22:46 AM

For me there is resolution to this case.

signed message (5.03) <---- Another false claim

So it is your fault.

1. refund 1 btc for 10 usb miners as you stated already you will do
2. refund gridseeds item value dated at 5.03
3. clear your false feedback at my and his account

thanks.

1) It will be sent as soon as he sends a signed message with the current date as was asked days ago.
2) Your claim was invalid this will not happen.
3) I already mentioned that this will never happen.

I have provided him the two options publicly and via PM. He is open to choose what option he would like but as i already stated he has 5 days to choose as i don't want this to drag on any longer. If he does not choose by the deadline his miners will be auctioned off and he will be sent the proceeds.

My feedback on both of your accounts is valid and will not be removed.

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For me there is resolution to this case.

You have been ignoring him since he sent you signed message (5.03)

So it is your fault.

1. refund 1 btc for 10 usb miners as you stated already you will do
2. refund gridseeds item value dated at 5.03
3. clear your false feedback at my and his account

thanks.

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He send you signed message 5.03
i dont deny that.

Then he send it again immidiatelly at your request 13.03
Then he send it again and again by email you wanted to

you have not answered once to thoose emails.

i dont have access to my brothers account.
i asked him to create screenshoots from his inbox and outbox.

tell me since when you got his miners at your place
and why you have not replied to his emails (having "his goods" and his money)

please also tell me why you have been ignoring him within 3+ months having his assets.

thanks

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Quote from: bbxx on July 31, 2014, 04:46:26 AM

you were denying that he ordered anything, that he paid for anything

why you have never responded to his emails?
since when you had his miners at your place ?

thanks.

"So you deny that it took your brother from the date of 11th of February to the March 10, 2014, 11:58:38 AM before he presented a signed message? Almost a month of waiting for a signed message. The another three months from April 19, 2014, 08:44:03 AM to July 05, 2014, 12:04:58 PM. That is four months i don't see how you can call that a lie."

he send already all data you needed few times.
please read whole communication, i made screenshoot.

your statement about 3 months waiting for his data is lie!

so there are 2 lies and you cant deny them.

1. that you have answered his questions (above) already
2. that you have been waiting for signed message 3 months (he sent you it by email and pm twice immidiatelly after request)

please answer

I never said that i waited 3 months for a signed message i said i waited one. I then went on to say that it took him 3 months after the 19th of april to message me on the 5th of July i didn't say that i waited those three months for a signed message. I said that i waited one. If you read through this thread and the group buy thread you will answer your own questions i have already said that.

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2. that you have been waiting for signed message 3 months (he sent you it by email and pm twice immidiatelly after request)

Interesting that you take what i said out of context (that has happened before). I waited a month. Do you deny that it took him between the dates of 11th of 11th of February to the March 10, 2014 to provide his signed message via pm?

You say "immidiatelly" (immediately) that would mean instantly one month is not instant

im·me·di·ate
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adjective
1.
occurring or done at once; instant.

Also how do you take screenshots (" i made screenshoot.") wouldn't your brother have to do that. Unless you have access to his account? Thus proving my point if multiple people have access to it that his account was potentially insecure meaning that me asking for him to confirm ownership was valid and was required in the situation.

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you were denying that he ordered anything, that he paid for anything

Quote from: Beastlymac on July 31, 2014, 04:23:02 AM

I am not going to keep answering the same questions you can read back through the thread and find the answers already stated.

2. that you have been waiting for signed message another 3 months (he sent you it by email and pm twice immidiatelly after request)

please answer

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Quote from: bbxx on July 31, 2014, 04:27:20 AM

Quote from: Beastlymac on July 30, 2014, 10:46:58 AM

Quote from: bbxx on July 30, 2014, 10:37:34 AM

problem is that beastlymac was ignoring him having his miners and money
it lasted 5 months...

is it normal ?

Communication was bad from both parties. Again this thread isn't about communication it is about a now false scam accusation.
Then it took in almost 3 months to send another message after April 19th that is four months accounted for our of the 5.

Outright lie. Reference here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8111920
Same lie as you have stating that you have answered to questions:

Since when you had his miners at your place?
Why you have not answered to his emails ? (you asked him to send email to speed up communication)
If you had his miners why you have been ignoring him and declining that he has ordered anything?

please answer thoose questions, i cant find answers at topic
or quote your answers

thanks

So you deny that it took your brother from the date of 11th of February to the March 10, 2014, 11:58:38 AM before he presented a signed message? Almost a month of waiting for a signed message. The another three months from April 19, 2014, 08:44:03 AM to July 05, 2014, 12:04:58 PM. That is four months i don't see how you can call that a lie. Instead of wasting your time and my time repeating false accusations please spend your time getting your brother to respond to my pm.

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Quote from: Beastlymac on July 30, 2014, 10:46:58 AM

Quote from: bbxx on July 30, 2014, 10:37:34 AM

problem is that beastlymac was ignoring him having his miners and money
it lasted 5 months...

is it normal ?

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Quote from: bbxx on July 31, 2014, 03:36:01 AM

is your communication silence with his goods scam or not?

you have not answered unanswered questions.

please quote your answers or answer them.

thanks.

Quote from: Beastlymac on July 30, 2014, 11:10:52 PM

Quote from: bbxx on July 30, 2014, 09:51:39 PM

Quote from: Beastlymac on July 30, 2014, 07:00:58 PM

Your request for a cash return was invalid. You have dodged supplying your order with your postage details. You have been online and not responded to my pm I think that shows you are not trying to resolve this anymore but your aim is to now try and attack me as a person. You never commented upon you saying that you "accidentally" paid for your order THREE times.

You have 5 days from the forum time July 30th at 03:04:19 PM. To respond to that PM or I will be forced to open an auction for your goods and send you the fund's made by the selling of your devices. After you have been sent those funds I will no longer respond to pm's or comments from you and your brother on this topic as it is at that point I will deem this whole situation ended.

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Please actually state how he has been scammed. He ordered accepting the terms. His order was processed before his request for a refund thus making it valid. He has withheld his postage information. His order is valid and is sitting here meaning he has not been scammed. Communication is not a form of scam.

I am not going to keep answering the same questions you can read back through the thread and find the answers already stated.

Here is a question I would like to ask everyone except bbxx
On topic. If I do not get a response from curiousminer in the next 5 days in regards to shipping his 5 chip devices OR auctioning them off I am inclined to default to auctioning them. The default auction terms (he is welcome to change them) are such that the starting bid would be 0.01BTC with bidding increments of 0.001BTC the devices would then be shipped to the winner and all funds collected would be sent through to curiousminer along with the already stated 1btc. Anybody who reads this (I feel this in the current situation one where curiousminer is unresponsive to my pm that this is the only option for resolving this quickly) please post here or pm me what your opinion is on this form of resolution.

I would also like to state for the record this resolution option was not thought up by me but was recommended as a way of resolving the situation.

I will pm curiousminer again. I will link this post and ask for his decision within 5 days.

You are welcome to continue to spamming this thread and the rest of the internet. It just backs up my feedback left on your account in regards too "spamming" is it not clear to you now that everyone who has posted in this thread agrees that your brother has not been scammed. I have offere a form or resolution and am awaiting your brothers response.

On a side note. As a tip if you ever open a scam accusation on someone else I would recommend only telling the truth (as I have done) and backing it up with tangible proof.

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is your communication silence with his goods scam or not?

you have not answered unanswered questions.

please quote your answers or answer them.

thanks.

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