Topic: Beastlymac - scammed me for 3.1 btc - gridseeds group buy - page 11. (Read 17742 times)

I will be starting a campaign to get more people to come to this thread and review the lies posted by bbxx. I don't need people like this coming to stalk my threads and cause issues. If you want to start harassing me then I will be sure to make it known what sort of lies and disinformation you are trying to spread.

People coming here may want to use the trust rating system to stand up against bullies like bbxx.

I will be starting a campaign to get more people to come to this thread and review the lies posted by bbxx. I don't need people like this coming to stalk my threads and cause issues. If you want to start harassing me then I will be sure to make it known what sort of lies and disinformation you are trying to spread.

People coming here may want to use the trust rating system to stand up against bullies like bbxx.

helo

thank you for taking part in the dispute, since you are senior member i trust you, that beastymac is ok buddy and i made false assumptions based our troubled communication.

i do understand rules of group buy. no refund after order been placed.

now please understand my point: i been told numerous times by beastymac that _im_not_on_order_list. so no goods are wating for me. also please look on order list:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4791442

im not on order list. if i would be, i would provide postal address. but for all that 5 months i been 110% shure there was no goods bought for me.

and suddenly, after numerous pms and emails _witch_been_ignored_, when i asked my bro for help, beastymac comes out with _private_list of goods for me. Imagine that!  the for we (me + my bro) and acting hectic and unpleasant.

also imagine: im not on order list, beastymac is not loosing anything by returning me my cash.

please believe me its not comfortable situation to ask some one on other end of the world for 5 months  for huge amount of cash (for me). its bad karma, ugly energy, filthy story. imho 3.1 btc its much less for some on in australia than for me in poland. and im unexpired user, all that story made me sick of btc bizzness and i dont wont to be involved in it any more becouse of that stinks.

do you understand my point ?

im asking you to talk privatly to beastymac and mediate solution. i willing to back off with my scam assumptions, clear his reputation and publicly state my mistake in communication. im waiting for beastymac to publicly state his mistakes in communication, clear reputation of my bro (it is very important for me) and return of my lost funds.

im not wealthy but i know how to be gentlemen. 

thank you for help and have a nice day, the wasp.

PS: i like bugs and wasps too and im taking active steps to preserve bugs environment.

@bbxx

Your brother is getting his Bitcoins back when the auction is completed. They were put on auction because your brother didn't respond in the 5 days he was given to respond for another decision. I don't see the point of you continuing to try to denounce Beastlymac.

If you want to try to get rid of the negative trust, try negotiate with Beastlymac with a cool head.

Made sure to note that I do not trust either bbxx or his "brother". If you want to act like clowns good luck keeping a positive trust rating.

I would like to state that my inbox has 2500+ pm's and it is easy to miss 4 in that number.

Also, @bbxx, the 'trust system' is based on trust. It is people like this that make BTC a minefield for consumers and sellers alike.

And so I believe that you have all come to a conclusion and solution.

Also, @bbxx, the 'trust system' is based on trust. It's based on how trustworthy one is, not if you're a scammer.

Communication is not a form of scam.

I would like to state that my inbox has 2500+ pm's and it is easy to miss 4 in that number.

I have listed the items for auction
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/lot-of-5-gridseed-5-chip-pods-total-15mhs-723738

I have listed the items for auction
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/lot-of-5-gridseed-5-chip-pods-total-15mhs-723738

So, any update from any party? Has the matter been resolved? I would like to see the resolution to this.

I absolutely agree with you that everything isn't a clear open and shut, no room to debate otherwise, situation. I think the situation could have been more clear if the seller had worded things differently in an early on PM. I don't see it as malicious on his part, just a communications issue, because in the end there was never a lie or any false information being passed. But equally, I think the situation could have been more clear if the buyer had worded things differently in his early PM's as well. Equally, not malicious on the buyer's part, but with such a large transaction taken place, perhaps a straight forward question to the seller about the refund would have cleared this up early, as opposed to just assuming a full refund is coming without actually asking for a straight forward answer.

I don't think either party intended on screwing over the other, and if one side flat out lied at the time to stall time, then I would understand the frustration. Should the seller have said flat out no refunds on the first message that couldn't be debated as meaning anything else? Absolutely. Should the buyer have asked flat out, am I receiving a full 100% refund as per my request on the 10th, again, prompting a straight forward answer that couldn't be debated meaning anything else? Absolutely.

From my understanding, no refunds are granted after the order is placed with the manufacturer (which I totally understand). When the OP requested a refund, he wouldn't have known the order was already sent to the manf unless that date was posted in the thread. But even if it were, his name wasn't on the public list (because he didn't send his mailing address), so there would be no way to determine whether his order was included in that bunch.

The key date is when the order was placed with the manufacturer, not the date OP purchased. OP requested a refund days after placing his order, but unfortunately by that time, the order was already placed with the manf, hence no refund. No doubt the original communication dragged on for months unnecessarily - and as I've stated before based on the messages /emails sent I'd think my refund was in the works too... but order rules are order rules.

No need to thank me buddy, in the end this is about you and him and finding a resolution. Take the time you need, but remember to reply to him within the 5 day time frame as stated in the PM he sent you (it may be 2 or 3 days left by now). You only hurt yourself by letting that 5 day period pass, so I would absolutely re-read this thread tonight, specifically what the community's insight on this is. Since your making a thread asking the community to get involved, it's absolutely important to take the communities un-bias responses seriously.

As for your brother, IMO, there's nothing more he needs to add at this point. It's between you and you alone to read and respond to the sellers PM and seriously see the options he is giving you on how to proceed.

Don't worry about the reputation thing now. A + or - on a computer screen isn't the main situation right now, you getting what you are entitled to get per your agreement is bud! Let's get this resolved and dropped, then we can go back on the reputation situation. But it's almost impossible to solve a reputation dispute while the important situation of your BTC and Items is still on going!

I realize your brother has been speaking on your behalf more then you have been speaking for yourself in this thread (I know your on vacation though so I understand!). Its better if you take 45 mins - an hour tonight and resolve this yourself, meanwhile have your brother just sit on the sidelines for a bit while you do so, and once resolved he absolutely has a right to then address the reputation situation!

helo

thank you all for taking time and looking on the story. i need more time to read all again and reply as i m on bike travel now and cant be all the time wifi. its been going for months, please let it be a while longer. my bro bbxx is entitled to state in my name.

also have in mind reputation of my bro, as hi is imho worth full trust.

But you would be contradicting your own agreement. Why would you expect a refund on the 10th, when you had agreed to the terms that you wouldn't be entitled a full refund after the order was placed, which was the 7th. It falls on the buyer, not the seller, that you demanded a full refund, 3 days after the 'deadline' to request said refund. You can't blame the seller for that, ya know?

Going 'silent' as you put it is irrelevant UNLESS it was on or before the 7th. Which as far as I can see, everyone agrees there was no attempt of communication on or before the 7th.

helo

thank you all for taking time and looking on the story. i need more time to read all again and reply as i m on bike travel now and cant be all the time wifi. its been going for months, please let it be a while longer. my bro bbxx is entitled to state in my name.

also have in mind reputation of my bro, as hi is imho worth full trust.