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thank you all for taking time and looking on the story. i need more time to read all again and reply as i m on bike travel now and cant be all the time wifi. its been going for months, please let it be a while longer. my bro bbxx is entitled to state in my name.
also have in mind reputation of my bro, as hi is imho worth full trust.
Topic: Beastlymac - scammed me for 3.1 btc - gridseeds group buy - page 12. (Read 17715 times)
fair is to
1. refund value of miners dated at 10.03 (since beastlymac went to silence mode, when he got what he asked)
2. erase false feedback left on both accounts
what do you think?
thanks
1. refund value of miners dated at 10.03 (since beastlymac went to silence mode, when he got what he asked)
2. erase false feedback left on both accounts
what do you think?
thanks
But you would be contradicting your own agreement. Why would you expect a refund on the 10th, when you had agreed to the terms that you wouldn't be entitled a full refund after the order was placed, which was the 7th. It falls on the buyer, not the seller, that you demanded a full refund, 3 days after the 'deadline' to request said refund. You can't blame the seller for that, ya know?
Going 'silent' as you put it is irrelevant UNLESS it was on or before the 7th. Which as far as I can see, everyone agrees there was no attempt of communication on or before the 7th.
Here is what it looks like to me:
Items were ordered, shipping information not given but payment sent. Is this why he was on a private list? Setting this aside from those with shipping information?
By ordering from that advertisement, you were agreeing to a No Refunds policy. Did you not realize that? Once they were ordered, it is done.
Why was shipping info not given when ordered? That's a lot of BTC to risk. Could it be you were hedging against the rapid devaluation of these units since the larger, faster miners were hitting the market? The taxes/shipping to your country are YOUR concern, not the sellers.
Do you not take any responsibility for not inquiring in a reasonable time frame on the whereabouts of your already paid for items? Again this is a decent chunk of change you plopped down but failed to send shipping info. This really comes across as very peculiar.
Now, it looks like you want the seller to eat the devaluation of these items you ordered while you get a full refund. You are basically screwing the seller hard if indeed the items are sitting there, in hand awaiting shipping information. If he was going to cheat you, why would he buy the items? He can not recover the full purchased value at this late date.
Both have dropped the ball on notification but the buyer more so as he risked a lot of BTC but failed to follow up on the shipping.
All these accusations are meaningless at this point. Both sides need to work out an agreeable solution.
Items were ordered, shipping information not given but payment sent. Is this why he was on a private list? Setting this aside from those with shipping information?
By ordering from that advertisement, you were agreeing to a No Refunds policy. Did you not realize that? Once they were ordered, it is done.
Why was shipping info not given when ordered? That's a lot of BTC to risk. Could it be you were hedging against the rapid devaluation of these units since the larger, faster miners were hitting the market? The taxes/shipping to your country are YOUR concern, not the sellers.
Do you not take any responsibility for not inquiring in a reasonable time frame on the whereabouts of your already paid for items? Again this is a decent chunk of change you plopped down but failed to send shipping info. This really comes across as very peculiar.
Now, it looks like you want the seller to eat the devaluation of these items you ordered while you get a full refund. You are basically screwing the seller hard if indeed the items are sitting there, in hand awaiting shipping information. If he was going to cheat you, why would he buy the items? He can not recover the full purchased value at this late date.
Both have dropped the ball on notification but the buyer more so as he risked a lot of BTC but failed to follow up on the shipping.
All these accusations are meaningless at this point. Both sides need to work out an agreeable solution.
I think your spot on correct. Not that Beastlymac needs my agreeing with him, as he's doing a far better job strengthening his position on his own.
When you made the purchase of these items, you agreed to the terms and conditions agreement for participating in said purchase. The parts you are focusing on curiousminer may be frustrating to you, or not the ideal situation you wanted to be in when you initially sent payment and agreed to the terms, but it doesn't change the only 'fact' that matters in this.
You are asking questions over and over regarding the date these miners arrived at his residence, and why communication wasn't quick enough, and all these parts of the situation that unfortunately are irrelevant to the situation at this point in the resolution.
All that matters here and now are a few very simple facts:
Is he a scammer? He is not. It is already a proven fact he has issued I believe roughly 40 btc (don't quote me on that exact number) in refunds to countless users.
Are you entitled to a refund yourself? According to the terms you agreed upon, yes you are. One of the Two items you purchased entitled you to roughly 1 BTC refunded. The remainder of the order (Beastlymac correct me if I am wrong), he has in hand, and is ready to get it shipped out to you as soon as an address is provided. I also believe he had included an alternative to having these shipped to you, which is to auction them off on this forum, to which you would receive the proceeds from those sales in addition to the 1 BTC refund you are entitled to as we speak buddy!
I understand you want all your money back. I understand you canceled your order 5 days after paying. I understand you are either unhappy/unsatisfied with his communication (time frame or otherwise). I don't think anyone is overlooking these statements you keep repeating. The problem is, when you paid on the 5th. You agreed to the terms and conditions set for this purchase. and after the 7th (when the order were placed), all the other points pretty much became irrelevant. If you wanted your money back, canceled your order, or had an issue with communication between the 5th (date you paid) and the 7th (date order was placed), you would absolutely have a valid point and concern on this purchase.
I think Beastlymac has proven above all that he is not a scammer, and is doing everything he can to work with you on the options you rightfully have left to resolve this situation. Trust me buddy, a scammer does not refund 40+ BTC to numerous people, a scammer would not offer you the refund on 1 item, as well as several options regarding the other item (again, all of which you agreed to upon paying). But most of all, a scammer would not have been as honest, professional, and straight forward with you as he has throughout all your questioning. It may not be what you want, but you should be thankful he is giving you what you are entitled to fairly, whereas if you had made this transaction with a true scammer, you most likely would not only get nothing at all back, but you most likely wouldn't even have heard from the guy ever again.
I am not the most well versed person, obviously, so I apologies if this sounds like just a dumb down version of what everybody else was saying before. :-/
Again buddy, I understand everything you are saying in this thread. Just the key fact, the only fact that matters, is after the 7th, when this order was placed, all those things you are saying are irrelevant as the situation stands right now. The only thing that matters is, are you receiving what you are entitled too fairly, and the answers is Yes. It's not Yes because of an option, or because any one person says so. It's a Yes because you personally agreed to that when you made the purchase on the 5th.
I think I already said this once before, but be very thankful that you weren't dealing with an actual scammer, as it would be a very rough situation if you actually were stolen from.
fair is to
1. refund value of miners dated at 10.03 (since beastlymac went to silence mode, when he got what he asked)
2. erase false feedback left on both accounts
what do you think?
thanks
1. refund value of miners dated at 10.03 (since beastlymac went to silence mode, when he got what he asked)
2. erase false feedback left on both accounts
what do you think?
thanks
it is true above but why beastlymac has been cheating that he had not orderded anything?
why he had been ignoring him within 3 months having his miners?
maybe he was mining with them or sold them and bought back when they were useless?
why he had been ignoring him within 3 months having his miners?
maybe he was mining with them or sold them and bought back when they were useless?
That is a very big accusation to make. You would have to provide some proof to back it up. But you wouldn't be able to as it is untrue. Why would i tamper with a customers device? I have never done it before. I didn't do it with the other hundreds that i shipped. Why would i do it with 5 miners?
yes it is very big accusation to make. but think twice about the story: the guy who is avoiding to give back 3.1 btc for months to unexpired consumer (by ignoring his voice) is SOOO greed he will make hot every chip, he have in (temporary) possession.
All that is over and done. You didn't follow up with your order, check on your country's laws and you didn't give shipping details. That is on you, the buyer. The seller also should have been more diligent but as the buyer, you should have been following closely the order progression.
Move on to a solution already, this back and forth isn't going anywhere.
it is true above but why beastlymac has been cheating that he had not orderded anything?
why he had been ignoring him within 3 months having his miners?
maybe he was mining with them or sold them and bought back when they were useless?
why he had been ignoring him within 3 months having his miners?
maybe he was mining with them or sold them and bought back when they were useless?
That is a very big accusation to make. You would have to provide some proof to back it up. But you wouldn't be able to as it is untrue. Why would i tamper with a customers device? I have never done it before. I didn't do it with the other hundreds that i shipped. Why would i do it with 5 miners?
yes it is very big accusation to make. but think twice about the story: the guy who is avoiding to give back 3.1 btc for months to unexpired consumer (by ignoring his voice) is SOOO greed he will make hot every chip, he have in (temporary) possession.
This is another great example of false slanderous accusations.
it is true above but why beastlymac has been cheating that he had not orderded anything?
why he had been ignoring him within 3 months having his miners?
maybe he was mining with them or sold them and bought back when they were useless?
why he had been ignoring him within 3 months having his miners?
maybe he was mining with them or sold them and bought back when they were useless?
That is a very big accusation to make. You would have to provide some proof to back it up. But you wouldn't be able to as it is untrue. Why would i tamper with a customers device? I have never done it before. I didn't do it with the other hundreds that i shipped. Why would i do it with 5 miners?
yes it is very big accusation to make. but think twice about the story: the guy who is avoiding to give back 3.1 btc for months to unexpired consumer (by ignoring his voice) is SOOO greed he will make hot every chip, he have in (temporary) possession.
it is true above but why beastlymac has been cheating that he had not orderded anything?
why he had been ignoring him within 3 months having his miners?
maybe he was mining with them or sold them and bought back when they were useless?
why he had been ignoring him within 3 months having his miners?
maybe he was mining with them or sold them and bought back when they were useless?
That is a very big accusation to make. You would have to provide some proof to back it up. But you wouldn't be able to as it is untrue. Why would i tamper with a customers device? I have never done it before. I didn't do it with the other hundreds that i shipped. Why would i do it with 5 miners?
it is true above but why beastlymac has been cheating that he had not orderded anything?
why he had been ignoring him within 3 months having his miners?
maybe he was mining with them or sold them and bought back when they were useless?
why he had been ignoring him within 3 months having his miners?
maybe he was mining with them or sold them and bought back when they were useless?
Best if you stay out of it and let the buyer/seller handle a solution. You are not adding anything relevant to this. In fact, you are muddying the waters so to speak.
it is true above but why beastlymac has been cheating that he had not orderded anything?
why he had been ignoring him within 3 months having his miners?
maybe he was mining with them or sold them and bought back when they were useless?
why he had been ignoring him within 3 months having his miners?
maybe he was mining with them or sold them and bought back when they were useless?
Here is what it looks like to me:
Items were ordered, shipping information not given but payment sent. Is this why he was on a private list? Setting this aside from those with shipping information?
By ordering from that advertisement, you were agreeing to a No Refunds policy. Did you not realize that? Once they were ordered, it is done.
Why was shipping info not given when ordered? That's a lot of BTC to risk. Could it be you were hedging against the rapid devaluation of these units since the larger, faster miners were hitting the market? The taxes/shipping to your country are YOUR concern, not the sellers.
Do you not take any responsibility for not inquiring in a reasonable time frame on the whereabouts of your already paid for items? Again this is a decent chunk of change you plopped down but failed to send shipping info. This really comes across as very peculiar.
Now, it looks like you want the seller to eat the devaluation of these items you ordered while you get a full refund. You are basically screwing the seller hard if indeed the items are sitting there, in hand awaiting shipping information. If he was going to cheat you, why would he buy the items? He can not recover the full purchased value at this late date.
Both have dropped the ball on notification but the buyer more so as he risked a lot of BTC but failed to follow up on the shipping.
All these accusations are meaningless at this point. Both sides need to work out an agreeable solution.
Items were ordered, shipping information not given but payment sent. Is this why he was on a private list? Setting this aside from those with shipping information?
By ordering from that advertisement, you were agreeing to a No Refunds policy. Did you not realize that? Once they were ordered, it is done.
Why was shipping info not given when ordered? That's a lot of BTC to risk. Could it be you were hedging against the rapid devaluation of these units since the larger, faster miners were hitting the market? The taxes/shipping to your country are YOUR concern, not the sellers.
Do you not take any responsibility for not inquiring in a reasonable time frame on the whereabouts of your already paid for items? Again this is a decent chunk of change you plopped down but failed to send shipping info. This really comes across as very peculiar.
Now, it looks like you want the seller to eat the devaluation of these items you ordered while you get a full refund. You are basically screwing the seller hard if indeed the items are sitting there, in hand awaiting shipping information. If he was going to cheat you, why would he buy the items? He can not recover the full purchased value at this late date.
Both have dropped the ball on notification but the buyer more so as he risked a lot of BTC but failed to follow up on the shipping.
All these accusations are meaningless at this point. Both sides need to work out an agreeable solution.
Beastlymac has been denying 4 times or more that my brother order anything.
Ha had not stated once that his order is already locked for shipment.
beastlymad has been refusing that curiusminer has paid anything
after receiving proof of payment he went into silence method
3 times
after he got adres signature at 10.03
at march when he asked to send email he has never replied
at 5.07 he asked again about proof of payment
he never mentioned that his order is on the way and there is no refunds
he never asked for shipping address
he had not put him at paid list
he found him at secret private list week ago, 6 months after order.
how my brother could know that his miners are waiting for him if beastlymac was denying this?
please consider this.
whole correspondence is archived at screenshoots.
Ha had not stated once that his order is already locked for shipment.
beastlymad has been refusing that curiusminer has paid anything
after receiving proof of payment he went into silence method
3 times
after he got adres signature at 10.03
at march when he asked to send email he has never replied
at 5.07 he asked again about proof of payment
he never mentioned that his order is on the way and there is no refunds
he never asked for shipping address
he had not put him at paid list
he found him at secret private list week ago, 6 months after order.
how my brother could know that his miners are waiting for him if beastlymac was denying this?
please consider this.
whole correspondence is archived at screenshoots.
I am surprised that a person with such experience in trading leads as long discussion irritating their customers more and more, rather than just give them his money.
The customer satisfaction should not be the first place? If he asking for a refund money I'd sent the money. Zero anger and a chance to be the next satisfied customer.
Sometimes, simple solution are best solution. Maybe generate sometime little lost, but result are worth it.
About reputation.
In my opinion is not good practice to spoil the reputation of the person whom he did not interest. For something different reputation system is designed.
I shudder to write something more, because my reputation will go to hell
The customer satisfaction should not be the first place? If he asking for a refund money I'd sent the money. Zero anger and a chance to be the next satisfied customer.
Sometimes, simple solution are best solution. Maybe generate sometime little lost, but result are worth it.
About reputation.
In my opinion is not good practice to spoil the reputation of the person whom he did not interest. For something different reputation system is designed.
I shudder to write something more, because my reputation will go to hell
GandalfG i welcome your opinion and thank you for your post. I don't understand why your "reputation will go to hell ". Everyone is free to post their own opinion.
thank you GandalfG for stating your opinion. im also convinced that not happy consumers are very bad for reputation of seller. im not happy and there is few more not happy consumers of beastymac. coincidence ? i dont think so.
look beastymac I AM unexpired user. i send you cash. i did not provided postal address or did not posted in forum. IT WAS MISTAKE. you can call me stupid (i am) but i did not broke rules. i was scared of customs. few days later i have asked you to return me money. since 5 months im asking you to return me money.
so just send me back my 3.1 btc and lets finish it. so many hours wasted on pointless discussion
also please remember im from poland and 3 btc its about 1.5 average monthly wage. it is a _loot_ for me.
at the moment im in ukraine. its not so wealthy country. 3 btc its about 4 months of work in ukraine (im actually eating full dinner in restaurant for 0.0041 btc)
you are from Australia. for you 3 bts its less than a 2 or 3 weeks or work.
just give me back _my_money_ and lets finish it.
I am surprised that a person with such experience in trading leads as long discussion irritating their customers more and more, rather than just give them his money.
The customer satisfaction should not be the first place? If he asking for a refund money I'd sent the money. Zero anger and a chance to be the next satisfied customer.
Sometimes, simple solution are best solution. Maybe generate sometime little lost, but result are worth it.
About reputation.
In my opinion is not good practice to spoil the reputation of the person whom he did not interest. For something different reputation system is designed.
I shudder to write something more, because my reputation will go to hell
The customer satisfaction should not be the first place? If he asking for a refund money I'd sent the money. Zero anger and a chance to be the next satisfied customer.
Sometimes, simple solution are best solution. Maybe generate sometime little lost, but result are worth it.
About reputation.
In my opinion is not good practice to spoil the reputation of the person whom he did not interest. For something different reputation system is designed.
I shudder to write something more, because my reputation will go to hell
GandalfG i welcome your opinion and thank you for your post. I don't understand why your "reputation will go to hell ". Everyone is free to post their own opinion. It is if people post lies that it becomes a problem.
Edit: Although as a personal friend of bbxx i feel it may be a little biased.
I am surprised that a person with such experience in trading leads as long discussion irritating their customers more and more, rather than just give them his money.
The customer satisfaction should not be the first place? If he asking for a refund money I'd sent the money. Zero anger and a chance to be the next satisfied customer.
Sometimes, simple solution are best solution. Maybe generate sometime little lost, but result are worth it.
About reputation.
In my opinion is not good practice to spoil the reputation of the person whom he did not interest. For something different reputation system is designed.
I shudder to write something more, because my reputation will go to hell
The customer satisfaction should not be the first place? If he asking for a refund money I'd sent the money. Zero anger and a chance to be the next satisfied customer.
Sometimes, simple solution are best solution. Maybe generate sometime little lost, but result are worth it.
About reputation.
In my opinion is not good practice to spoil the reputation of the person whom he did not interest. For something different reputation system is designed.
I shudder to write something more, because my reputation will go to hell
Beastlymac, I know this has already been said previously by other members, but it absolutely deserves mentioning again. I just read this entire thread and I cannot even begin to comprehend how you are able to maintain a calm, respectful, and professional demeanor in all your responses. Never once letting it become personal or resulting to insults. I have nothing invested in this ordeal, yet by page 5 even I was grinding my teeth :-P
The fact that you still maintained a professional manner on the 10th + repeated questions goes to show you are incredibly fair as a businessman and professional. I don't think a single person would have held it against you if you simply ignored repeat questions after you answered them 10 times over already. I must admit, upon starting to read this situation I was not totally convinced on who's fault it was, but by the end (really, by the middle..) of the thread you had countered every argument made against you while at the same time the other party seemed to just dig themselves deeper and deeper in a hole.
I commend you on how you handled this situation. I know that statement coming from someone you never associated with before doesn't mean much, but I just wanted to speak my $0.02 as well to show any onlookers (silent or vocal) reading this that your not getting backed up just by people you may know personally, but also from people who don't know either party, or have anything at stake in this situation. Bravo sir!
As far as your ""please respond to the PM within 5 days"" option, I believe that is absolutely more then fair. It is undeniable that the other party knows his options and knows he has a PM to reply to that lists more then fair options as to how to proceed from here. If he cannot accept this or refuses to acknowledge it, then the burden of the situation should absolutely not fall onto you sir. The fact that all he needs to do is provide a refund address via PM to receive $600 (1btc) for his troubles, yet he is refusing to do so under the guise that he won't because he 'doesn't know what scam you'll pull next' is baffling to me. It appears he simply wants his argument to be the only method of proceeding with this matter moreso then he actually wants a refund, IMO. Otherwise I see absolutely no reason why he wouldn't be thrilled to accept the 1 BTC refund when this entire 10 page thread is 100% about a refund. You can't force someone to take what they've been asking for (nor should you even need too..)
Again sir, bravo on how you handled this entire ordeal!
*apologies if I trailed off a bit in this post. Doing so from my phone (while periodically closing and resuming the reply) over the course of an hour*
The fact that you still maintained a professional manner on the 10th + repeated questions goes to show you are incredibly fair as a businessman and professional. I don't think a single person would have held it against you if you simply ignored repeat questions after you answered them 10 times over already. I must admit, upon starting to read this situation I was not totally convinced on who's fault it was, but by the end (really, by the middle..) of the thread you had countered every argument made against you while at the same time the other party seemed to just dig themselves deeper and deeper in a hole.
I commend you on how you handled this situation. I know that statement coming from someone you never associated with before doesn't mean much, but I just wanted to speak my $0.02 as well to show any onlookers (silent or vocal) reading this that your not getting backed up just by people you may know personally, but also from people who don't know either party, or have anything at stake in this situation. Bravo sir!
As far as your ""please respond to the PM within 5 days"" option, I believe that is absolutely more then fair. It is undeniable that the other party knows his options and knows he has a PM to reply to that lists more then fair options as to how to proceed from here. If he cannot accept this or refuses to acknowledge it, then the burden of the situation should absolutely not fall onto you sir. The fact that all he needs to do is provide a refund address via PM to receive $600 (1btc) for his troubles, yet he is refusing to do so under the guise that he won't because he 'doesn't know what scam you'll pull next' is baffling to me. It appears he simply wants his argument to be the only method of proceeding with this matter moreso then he actually wants a refund, IMO. Otherwise I see absolutely no reason why he wouldn't be thrilled to accept the 1 BTC refund when this entire 10 page thread is 100% about a refund. You can't force someone to take what they've been asking for (nor should you even need too..)
Again sir, bravo on how you handled this entire ordeal!
*apologies if I trailed off a bit in this post. Doing so from my phone (while periodically closing and resuming the reply) over the course of an hour*
1. Since when you had this miners at home, sealed ? you have never responded to this question (it is lie that you did)
i will be forced to ask official distributor about it, i know that every order of gridseeds consisted 10+ miners was refunded by asiabtc, due to customs problems, it is possible that you got curiousminer refund too.
can you provide serial numbers and date of production curiousminer sealed gridseeds?
2. Why you have not replied to his emails ?
you asked curiousminer to send email to him to speed up communication
you have never responded to that question (t is lie that you did)
thanks
i will be forced to ask official distributor about it, i know that every order of gridseeds consisted 10+ miners was refunded by asiabtc, due to customs problems, it is possible that you got curiousminer refund too.
can you provide serial numbers and date of production curiousminer sealed gridseeds?
2. Why you have not replied to his emails ?
you asked curiousminer to send email to him to speed up communication
you have never responded to that question (t is lie that you did)
thanks
beastymac for 5 months you been ignoring my requests of return. you basically stole my 3.1 btc. now, when the story is public and my bro bbxx have show you and other members of btccommunity, that you are not worth of trust (blackmailing, lies, stealing from unexpired members), i hope all will be soon resolved, reputation of my bro and others fixed and eventually you will send back my 3.1 btc on my address.
from now on do not send any pm to me because im disgusted with your constant lies. imho all communication have to public.
Since you are online and don't want to receive and pm's anymore. Please respond publicly to the message quoted below. Within the next three days.
Here is a question I would like to ask everyone except bbxx
On topic. If I do not get a response from curiousminer in the next 5 days in regards to shipping his 5 chip devices OR auctioning them off I am inclined to default to auctioning them. The default auction terms (he is welcome to change them) are such that the starting bid would be 0.01BTC with bidding increments of 0.001BTC the devices would then be shipped to the winner and all funds collected would be sent through to curiousminer along with the already stated 1btc. Anybody who reads this (I feel this in the current situation one where curiousminer is unresponsive to my pm that this is the only option for resolving this quickly) please post here or pm me what your opinion is on this form of resolution.
I would also like to state for the record this resolution option was not thought up by me but was recommended as a way of resolving the situation.
I will pm curiousminer again. I will link this post and ask for his decision within 5 days.
On topic. If I do not get a response from curiousminer in the next 5 days in regards to shipping his 5 chip devices OR auctioning them off I am inclined to default to auctioning them. The default auction terms (he is welcome to change them) are such that the starting bid would be 0.01BTC with bidding increments of 0.001BTC the devices would then be shipped to the winner and all funds collected would be sent through to curiousminer along with the already stated 1btc. Anybody who reads this (I feel this in the current situation one where curiousminer is unresponsive to my pm that this is the only option for resolving this quickly) please post here or pm me what your opinion is on this form of resolution.
I would also like to state for the record this resolution option was not thought up by me but was recommended as a way of resolving the situation.
I will pm curiousminer again. I will link this post and ask for his decision within 5 days.
Again, Beastlymac, the manner in which you've handled this speaks volumes, and I applaud your professionalism and determination in getting this resolved. Please continue to set a good example for members who find themselves in similar situations. I've never made any transactions with you, but given your track record, I wouldn't have any doubt with trusting you.
To all-
In my opinion, this resolution is fair and kudos to whomever suggested it. My suggestion to curiousminer was to accept the 1btc refund and the devices he paid for. But as it seems he's not willing to provide shipping information, I don't see Beastlymac having any other choice.... Unless he decides to say the hell with it and keep everything... But I get a sense that's not in his character.
I have not stolen anything of yours. You sent funds and purchased miners and since then have prevented me from fulfilling your order by sending you the miners. You have not been forthcoming from day one with your postage details. Did you read the terms and conditions of the group buy? If you did (although it is apparent you did not) you would know that your claim is invalid. Your brother has made false accusations the latest one claiming that the message was sent on the 5th.
Please publicly choose out of the two solutions offered above. You now have three days or i will be forced to default to auctioning off the miners.
i dont agree for your solutions and i dont trust you, since you have tricked many ppl in community. the case is NOT RESOLVED and you are not in power to state rules of solving the problem, since you are accused of stealing from me 3.1 btc (since 5 months im asking you for return, you come out with idea of sending me useless goods AFTER case went public).
i agree for resolution of the case by admins/seniors of the forum but not by random folks (like Lucky Cris). im on travel now and my bro bbxx is in full power to state my point.
please do not ignore my bro bbxx
please answer all questions one by one
please send me 3.1 btc on my address, im asking you sice 5 months.
and please do not falsehood or blackmail me any more its sooo ugly.
So you are trying to prevent this case being resolved by withholding information required to fulfil your deal then blaming me for not shipping. It is clear you don't want to resolve this. You are welcome to spam members of the community in the hope that they side with you. Why have you not signed a message with the current date and posted it on the thread or pm'd it to me like i asked you?. Why did it take you a month to sign a message? You don't have to trust me it will all be documented publicly. You have three days. I agree with what both lucky cris, KWH and armin have said that this needs resolved. Those are the two options for resolution i have given you the choice. You are not entitled to a 3.1btc refund by the terms you agreed to. You have withheld key information that would have resulted in this being resolved months ago in an attempt to extort money out of me. You have made slanderous accusations about me. You have the two options that i have listed and you have three days to decide. Admins do not get involved in cases such as this. Senior members have already given their verdict. You have had two trusted members of the community say that you have no grounds for this accusation.
1. Since when you had this miners at home, sealed ? you have never responded to this question (it is lie that you did)
i will be forced to ask official distributor about it, i know that every order of gridseeds consisted 10+ miners was refunded by asiabtc, due to customs problems, it is possible that you got curiousminer refund too.
can you provide serial numbers and date of production curiousminer sealed gridseeds?
2. Why you have not replied to his emails ?
you asked curiousminer to send email to him to speed up communication
you have never responded to that question (t is lie that you did)
thanks
i will be forced to ask official distributor about it, i know that every order of gridseeds consisted 10+ miners was refunded by asiabtc, due to customs problems, it is possible that you got curiousminer refund too.
can you provide serial numbers and date of production curiousminer sealed gridseeds?
2. Why you have not replied to his emails ?
you asked curiousminer to send email to him to speed up communication
you have never responded to that question (t is lie that you did)
thanks
beastymac for 5 months you been ignoring my requests of return. you basically stole my 3.1 btc. now, when the story is public and my bro bbxx have show you and other members of btccommunity, that you are not worth of trust (blackmailing, lies, stealing from unexpired members), i hope all will be soon resolved, reputation of my bro and others fixed and eventually you will send back my 3.1 btc on my address.
from now on do not send any pm to me because im disgusted with your constant lies. imho all communication have to public.
Since you are online and don't want to receive and pm's anymore. Please respond publicly to the message quoted below. Within the next three days.
Here is a question I would like to ask everyone except bbxx
On topic. If I do not get a response from curiousminer in the next 5 days in regards to shipping his 5 chip devices OR auctioning them off I am inclined to default to auctioning them. The default auction terms (he is welcome to change them) are such that the starting bid would be 0.01BTC with bidding increments of 0.001BTC the devices would then be shipped to the winner and all funds collected would be sent through to curiousminer along with the already stated 1btc. Anybody who reads this (I feel this in the current situation one where curiousminer is unresponsive to my pm that this is the only option for resolving this quickly) please post here or pm me what your opinion is on this form of resolution.
I would also like to state for the record this resolution option was not thought up by me but was recommended as a way of resolving the situation.
I will pm curiousminer again. I will link this post and ask for his decision within 5 days.
On topic. If I do not get a response from curiousminer in the next 5 days in regards to shipping his 5 chip devices OR auctioning them off I am inclined to default to auctioning them. The default auction terms (he is welcome to change them) are such that the starting bid would be 0.01BTC with bidding increments of 0.001BTC the devices would then be shipped to the winner and all funds collected would be sent through to curiousminer along with the already stated 1btc. Anybody who reads this (I feel this in the current situation one where curiousminer is unresponsive to my pm that this is the only option for resolving this quickly) please post here or pm me what your opinion is on this form of resolution.
I would also like to state for the record this resolution option was not thought up by me but was recommended as a way of resolving the situation.
I will pm curiousminer again. I will link this post and ask for his decision within 5 days.
Again, Beastlymac, the manner in which you've handled this speaks volumes, and I applaud your professionalism and determination in getting this resolved. Please continue to set a good example for members who find themselves in similar situations. I've never made any transactions with you, but given your track record, I wouldn't have any doubt with trusting you.
To all-
In my opinion, this resolution is fair and kudos to whomever suggested it. My suggestion to curiousminer was to accept the 1btc refund and the devices he paid for. But as it seems he's not willing to provide shipping information, I don't see Beastlymac having any other choice.... Unless he decides to say the hell with it and keep everything... But I get a sense that's not in his character.
I have not stolen anything of yours. You sent funds and purchased miners and since then have prevented me from fulfilling your order by sending you the miners. You have not been forthcoming from day one with your postage details. Did you read the terms and conditions of the group buy? If you did (although it is apparent you did not) you would know that your claim is invalid. Your brother has made false accusations the latest one claiming that the message was sent on the 5th.
Please publicly choose out of the two solutions offered above. You now have three days or i will be forced to default to auctioning off the miners.
i dont agree for your solutions and i dont trust you, since you have tricked many ppl in community. the case is NOT RESOLVED and you are not in power to state rules of solving the problem, since you are accused of stealing from me 3.1 btc (since 5 months im asking you for return, you come out with idea of sending me useless goods AFTER case went public).
i agree for resolution of the case by admins/seniors of the forum but not by random folks (like Lucky Cris). im on travel now and my bro bbxx is in full power to state my point.
please do not ignore my bro bbxx
please answer all questions one by one
please send me 3.1 btc on my address, im asking you sice 5 months.
and please do not falsehood or blackmail me any more its sooo ugly.
Please state exact date you had his miners at your place. Also provide their production date/serial numbers. I am going to fully finish this investigation with evidence you should provide.
Then answer why you have been ignoring my brother having his miners (he sent you many messages and emails).
You said bad communication is not scam but in this case it is becuse you were holding his goods/money within 5 months and not responding to his refund/shipment request.
So fault is at your side, why curiousminer has to pay for your errors ?
Below are cases similar to this, please tell me when you will compensate/refund/remove trust feedback to those harmed people too.
Then answer why you have been ignoring my brother having his miners (he sent you many messages and emails).
You said bad communication is not scam but in this case it is becuse you were holding his goods/money within 5 months and not responding to his refund/shipment request.
So fault is at your side, why curiousminer has to pay for your errors ?
Below are cases similar to this, please tell me when you will compensate/refund/remove trust feedback to those harmed people too.
This investigation is over i have already talked about the compensation (again you are repeating the same questions over and over)
It is not. He has also withheld his postage details for 5 months. Does that mean he has scammed me? According to your terminology it does. I have removed the feedback on Mr. Jinx. They are not similar to this. They provided all required details when requested. Your brother did not. Again all you have done is repeat the same questions over again. From this point on i will only answer new questions in regards to this order.
Please provide exact date you had his miners at your place. Please add information about their serial numbers and production date.
I am collecting evidence for police department (for investigation) and preparing court case. Let judge decide who scammed who.
Then answer why you have been ignoring my brother within next months having this miners.
thanks
Good that you have removed feedback from jinx. Why you did this now? Why you put this feedback at him?
The gridseed devices do not come with a serial number or manufacture date on the box. You are welcome to do as you seem fit. It will just result in a waste of time and a waste of money. Your brother did not provide his postage details. Also in regards to your court case keep in mind your defamation and whilst you are talking to the police ask them what are the consequences for defamation. Your questions about the user Mr. Jinx do not pertain to this accusation and are off topic.
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